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Yes that looks ok , but, you can restart your machine and hit F2 until you reach BIOS of the laptop. Now once you are there , on the first page you will have Processor information, Ram information and down below BIOS information, EC information , MAC information.

That should be the real thing , you can take a screenshot with your phone and use it as evidence towards your company.

Latest official from Clevo is 1.05.01 , but maybe "PC Specialist" has some modded ones but they should be still based on the last official from Clevo.
Hope it helps! Cheers!

 

You will need to gather both BIOS and EC version for the update. They need to either help you and flash it for you or if they provide the files, come back here and we can help provide you some steps. You will need both EC and BIOS , they need both to be flashed, just so you know what to ask for and what to expect to receive from them.


Good luck.

 

Thanks once again! Your support is most valued. I did not realise the version was actually stated in the BIOS until you pointed it out. It turns out that the version on my laptop at the moment is indeed the latest one which is 1.05.01 for both EC and BIOS, so it seems there is nothing I can do in regards to using an official BIOS to solve my issue with fan noise. However, that does bring me onto another idea:

I was toying with the idea several months back about flashing a Prema BIOS to unlock overclocking options, but decided against it in the end through fear of bricking what is an expensive laptop. I am now wondering whether I should give it another shot, since an unlocked BIOS might allow fan speed customisation in third-party software other than Clevo Control Center. It would also be handy since in Forza Horizon 3, my framerate is a little short of 60FPS with an average of around 50-55FPS. A small overclock would perhaps be all that is needed to secure a stable 60FPS in this game with the 970M. It would also be a nice point to complement the laptop if selling it at a later date.

The laptop comes with a three-year warranty from PC Specialist, although it does state that flashing a BIOS without permission will void the warranty. My concern is that if the laptop developed a hardware fault after the Prema BIOS had been installed (Not as a direct result of the modification, of course!), would it be possible to revert back to the PC Specialist BIOS afterwards providing I have the files which are supplied on their website?

 

Alright, then you are up to date. In regards to Prema mod, I would let him take this and explain how things are going and what are the best advices out there.

@Prema

 

Thanks. I have just sent him a PM in regards to this query, keeping my fingers crossed for a response! In the meantime i'll proceed with contacting PC Specialist and ask whether they're able to provide their modified BIOS for this laptop, since it doesn't appear to be visible on the website.

 

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I sent a couple of messages to Prema over the weekend about the BIOS mod for the P650SE, but haven't heard anything back yet. Unfortunately, his website has been offline for quite a few weeks and so it isn't possible to download the BIOS from there. I don't know of any other websites that host Prema BIOS files either. Does anyone happen to have the files at hand for the latest version? (V2) Otherwise i'll just wait it out until the new website launches.

 

A couple of updates on my overclocking journey
I have modded my own bios, first time EVER! and IT WORKS stable for the past 4 hours running in Heaven benchmark.



GTX 970M / 3GB version / CLEVO P651SE model. Did a thermal paste with Grizzly Conductonaut + electric tape so everything is safe.

Now I am running on stock voltage with the following frequencies:

Core : 1202 MHz

Memory: 2901 MHz

Temp full load, 4hours Heave benchmark: 73C

P.S IF I have the laptop 1CM up from the table the temp goes down to 59C...which is INSANE.

Good achievement! (happy happy, joy joy)

 

Xdrqgol
i have the same computer and it is indeed a beast for cooling the gpu ( never hit ~66°c in any games even gpu overclocked 1250mhz 2900mhz +12.5 mV)
i have a question do you undervolt your cpu i7 4710hq and how much ? i am currently undevolting it at - 42.96... mV and i lose stability at around -49 ~ -50 mV , is it the same for you?

for CivicJDM i have the bios/vbios of premamod named : P6xxSE_39_310_PM_v2.rar if it's the one you are searching for then PM me .

 

I do not undervolt the CPU, I managed to fix the temps with this Grizzly Conductonaut , it doesn't reach more than 70+ in games/ in prime95 it goes like 91C but that is not a real test in my mind ... what are the temps for you? have you cleaned it up and used a new thermal paste, if yes which one? Keep in mind, for using grizzly condoctonaut you need to have some electric tape and use it around the cpu and near it to avoid getting some themal paste there due to it is nature, might cause issues if it lands where it shouldn't. I also used this electric tape where the fan reaches the cooper pipes to make sure the fan blows air on them and nothing is lost....

 

@kogoro
In regards to the vbios/bios you said you have, what is that? P6xxSE_39_310_PM_v2? Is it for the Clevo 970M gpu? is also an update for the system bios P650SE?

 

Hi everyone,

ClevoP650SE , related question:

my current Bios/EC version is 1.05.01

Can I flash it with BIOS V1.03.09PM v2 / EC V1.03.10? IS it ok to flash an older version , or I might risk to brick it?

 

Hello! I believe that's most likely the BIOS i'm after, assuming it is indeed compatible with the GTX 970M. Is this the one you're running at the moment? If you could send the files that would be most appreciated. As mentioned previously, the laptop came from a vendor in the UK called PC Specialist who have installed their own version of the P650SE BIOS based on v1.05.01 which is the latest version provided by Clevo.

From what i've seen, the only differences appear to be the splash logo when the BIOS screen is shown, and the version number in the BIOS settings shows as 1.05.01TPCS. (Presumably the PCS is an abbreviation standing for 'PC Specialist') I'm perhaps being a bit over-precautious, but do you think it'd be 100% safe to flash Prema BIOS over this version? Just double-checking since it's a particularly expensive laptop in question!

 

I found this warning, which states you should NOT downgrade...from the P650Se service manual.
https://www.manualslib.com/manual/982278/Clevo-P650se.html?page=125#manual

 

found this post from PREMA here:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-bios-to-sager-bios.675141/page-2

Quoting PREMA:
All my stock BIOS and Mods flash matching versions in one go.
If you update BIOS and EC separately, then always flash the new EC first then only the BIOS and try to avoid major EC downgrades as that sometimes may not end well.

someone else in this thread:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-bios-older-models-released-in-after-2014.790474/

@Blacky

It is not recommended to downgrade any Clevo/Sager BIOS to any previous version. Any such attempt might brick your laptop.

 

Now, I am not sure if 1.05.01 to 1.03.01 is a major downgrade, we need someone which is "a bit "more experienced ( like PREMA) but I doubt he will comment on this, as I haven't heard from him ...

@Blacky @Prema , can you advise in this case...?

 

I use the grizzly kryonaut and have won 10°c from the previous thermal paste on cpu ( but nothing changed in gpu ) now while playing (gta v) it's around 70°c so it's like your p650 , still i undervolt with xtu to win a little more degrees ^^ .
for the rar file it contains the bios for the computer and also the vbios clevo p650 (651 se) + gtx 970m 3gb
i instaled the two of them , the bios allow a lot of new changes but the only one i used was to reduce the first value of ram clock 9 to 8 (i can't do anything else in ram , it crash immediately , maybe it depends on the ram you use ( mine :2*8gb corsair vengeance 1600mhz ddr3 cl9 ))
you can try to overclock your cpu from the bios but it doesn't work , use xtu instead.
when i flashed my bios some months ago it wasn't the last version 1.05... but i really don't remeber which one it was , i think i wrote it on techinferno forum but alas i can't enter it now.

so i don't really recommand the prema bios ( especially if you are on the latest bios avaible since maybe it will be a downgrading ) , you won't really see the difference ( i noticed that the fan are increasing or diminishing their rotation in a linear way not in a immediate way with the premamodbios)
the vbios allow you to change core's freq , ram's speed , voltage , maximal temperature in nvidia inspector or other software like that.

you used conductonaut ! metal liquid omg i really wouldn't take the risk but if it's fine for you , can you put your laptop vertically (in a bag ) without fear ?

 

Thanks for the reply, yeah the premabios looks interesting mostly for me due to its FAN workflow , but I will stick to what I have. In regards to condoctonaut, I think as long as you do not put too much there and you have the near zone covered with electric tape, you should be fine. I tried to force spill some out and it is not that easy. So you can check on the internet videos, people who did this with their laptops / video cards ( which are not locked in a plane state without issues. So personally I would go with it, travel etc without fear yes. And if the unfortunate happens well, that is how it is.

 

thks i didn't know it was possible to use metal liquid paste on laptop , still the grizzly past work perfectly for me and i will continue with it .
for the bios i think you made the good choice .

 

@kogoro Hmm. I think i'll pass on the Prema BIOS mod as well, it sounds like too much of a risk especially for someone like myself who has almost zero experience with flashing modified BIOS's to laptops. I'll perhaps take the files from you anyway, just in case Prema's website does not come back online and it somehow turns out that flashing the BIOS will be fine.

@Xdrqgol So, which BIOS are you running at the moment to be able to access the overclocking options you currently have available? I noticed you said it was based on the same version of the Clevo BIOS as mine, (1.05.01) so in theory it would be possible for me to just switch to whatever you're running without the risk of bricking the laptop.

 

For me grizzly kryonaut did maybe a 4C difference but nothing more, with grizzly conductonaut , when the fans start the temperature drops without delay so for example CPU doesn't go in games more than 70 and stress tests (depending on the stress tests ) more than 80C - 85C . With the GPU, maximum 74C in full stress tests for 4h. If you apply a thin layer, and use electric tape there is no need to worry ,again , very important to take the time and apply it properly. GPU has like a frame and you need electric tape on the transistors inside the frame, it will not go out of that due to the heatsink that has also an electric tape on the borders which will come like a fit on top of the GPU frame, sealing it. SO yeah, like I said this was the biggest drop in temp for me.

 

System bios 1.05.01 - no need to downgrade this and it is a big NO NO to do it.

vBios GPU970MGTX - I have a custom one I use and not the Prema one. I have modified it myself and it works for my needs. You need to do a bit of research on how this is done before you start so you do not brick your laptop or cause other issues.

You will need some tools to flash your new vbios (nvflash certificate checks bypassed) and you need to make sure you carefully backup your current stock vbios before starting anything. To do so, download GPUZ and try to save your stock vbios and once you have it saved then ping me again.

 

if someone want vbios Prema for clevo p65xse gtx 970m:


i can send link by mail but can't show them publicly
i don't know if it is incorrect to do this , if yes i will delete my 5 links
put all in desktop and read readme
15 days before links are broken

this is all for clevo p65xse gtx970m VBIOS of ~~~~ PREMA ~~~~
allow you to overclock overvolt as you wish with nvidia inspector ( or overclock in msi afterburner )
+
(maybe you won't need this explanation because since i have the prema modded BIOS i wasn't able to save the gpu Vbios or to see the temperature of Gpu in idle ;
if modme.bat is running infinitely (like in my case )
then close modme.bat , go to device manager , deactivate the gtx 970m , activate it and as fast as possible click on modme.bat and run it , now the flashing works
restart computer , go to nvidiainspector--> show overclocking , and enjoy

starting over ~1200 mhz clock freq you will need to overvolt ( first +12.5mV )
Don't forget to check "priorize temperature" and put maximal temp to ~70-80°c that way you will be at ease when doing test.

 

Are you just using the stock BIOS that came with the laptop then? I didn't realise you could just change the VBIOS without installing a modified BIOS as well. I was under the impression that both needed to be changed in order to access the unlocked overclocking options, but it seems that is incorrect now. If that's the case then it would be much better, as I wouldn't have to worry about overwriting the 1.05.01 'PC Specialist' BIOS that came preinstalled with the laptop.

Thanks for the tips regarding backing up my current VBIOS, I appreciate the advice as I have no experience with doing this before on another laptop! Unfortunately, when trying to backup the VBIOS in GPU-Z it shows a message which says 'BIOS reading not supported on this device'. Did you encounter the same issue?

 

i had the same issue
you can change vbios without changing bios

 

to flash vbios you need to do as i said
"" i wasn't able to save the gpu Vbios or to see the temperature of Gpu in idle ;
if modme.bat is running infinitely (like in my case )
then close modme.bat , go to device manager , deactivate the gtx 970m , activate it and as fast as possible click on modme.bat and run it , now the flashing works restart computer""
to save vbios try to deactivat and activate with click quickly on save the vbios on gpuz

 

Thanks for the clarification regarding the correct procedure to flash the VBIOS to this laptop. I am still having a few issues with backing up the current VBIOS in GPU-Z, as it continues to show the message saying 'BIOS reading not supported on this device'. I have tried doing as you suggested; disabling the GTX 970M in Device Manager and quickly enabling it before saving the VBIOS, but each time it shows the same message. I'm not sure whether it's just bad timing on my part. Is there any other workaround for this problem? My current VBIOS version is displayed as 84.04.1F.40.27.

 

do it at your own risk :
you can try flashing ^^ even without vbios saved ( i have one stock vbios if you want but i downloaded it and never flashed it ) , for me after clicking modme.bat it dectivate the gtx970m and modme.bat was searching for a match endlessly , so i stopped it rectivate the gpu and then deactivate it and reactivate it with clicking at light speed on modme.bat ; the second try worked for me ( don't forget to restart and use nvidiainspector to see if you can change core freq like +150mhz (NEVER go far higher than that for the beginning it's just to check your flash worked and that you can go away than +135mhz)

 

It is tempting to just proceed without making a backup, but i'd rather make a backup of my own VBIOS beforehand if possible, rather than working on the assumption that a stock one will be alright. (Even though i'm sure it would be!) I'll do some research and see whether there's a solution to the issue I was experiencing in GPU-Z. I was going to backup the BIOS with NVFlash in DOS, but someone said it doesn't work on 900 series Maxwell GPU's. I'm not sure whether that issue affects just flashing or backing-up as well.

How did you backup your VBIOS @Xdrqgol? Just curious as to whether you experienced the same issue as myself and Kogoro, with GPU-Z saying 'BIOS reading not supported on this device' whilst attempting to make a backup.

 

I experienced the same issue yes with GPUZ. You need nvflash certificate checks bypassed version. Once you get it , make a folder (name it nvflash) on the c:/ drive and copy all content there.

MAKE SURE YOUR POWER CABLE IS CONNECTED and YOU ARE NOT ON BATTERY

Boot Windows 10 in safe mode+ command prompt:

after booting in safe mode + command prompt use twice:

cd..
cd..

to exit windows system 32 folder structure and then:

cd nvflash to access the folder you created on c:/ drive

then

nvflash --list ( identify which id is associated to your GPU - probably "0")

then type

nvflash --save GTX970Mstock.rom


*it will save the stock vbios you currently have with the following name GTX970Mstock.rom

Once you have the backup, make sure to add the PREMA mode in the same folder and once again boot the laptop in safe mode + command prompt

now, type:
cd..
cd..
cd nvflash - access the folder created on c:/ drive

then

nvflash -i 0 -6 SEP650Prema.rom(name of the prema mode) and hit enter

It will ask you twice to press "y" and you have to confirm it.


This will flash your vbios with it and you have to restart your computer after it ends.

type "exit" in command prompt

then CTR+ALT+ DEL to get the windows menu up and select restart,


VOILA , you have the PREMA MODE vbios flashed to your GPU.

Open Nvidia Inspector and see if you can change core/memory mhz

I think if you PM me with an id we can discuss on Discord I can help you through the process ..better this way I think .


I SHOULD NOT BE HELD RESPONSIBLE IF YOU DAMAGE YOUR COMPUTER.

 

Hello, can I disable the Intel HD 4600 card from the BIOS?

 

i don't think it's possible , you can go to nvidia control panel and choose nvidia gpu as preference

 

you cannot disable it. The laptop was made to use Intel GPU in windows and Nvidia GPU in all heavy 3D processes.

 

Technically in a fully unlocked BIOS you could, it's just the setting would totally disable all video outputs completely so would really serve no purpose.

 

I have updated the BIOS P6xxSE_39_310_PM_v2
What options to disable the card?

 

i have the same bios and i don't know if it's possible , never tried and I really can't understand why do you want to do that .

 

Test, nothing else.

 

then , good luck ^^

 

the settings in the premamod bios is in the advance tab / graphics :

iGPU is referred to the intel GPU
dGPU is the Nvidia graphics card

 

I have a P650SG. I didn't like how the Prema system BIOS had a quirk with the "reset to defaults" option. Lots of the unlocked options do not reset to defaults. So you have to use other means to reset that stuff such as pulling the clock battery. I didn't really find that I wanted any of the extras anyway. Much of it is not well documented so it's a bit mysterious and difficult to judge benefits of.

I kept Prema's GF 980M BIOS because it supposedly reduces throttling, but went back to stock Sager EC and system BIOS.

 

Yes, the defaults are set to reset from a map of settings that were unlocked when created.

Messing around with some of the more obscure settings are for advanced users only and can brick the machine if you don't know what you are doing.

I think he blocks a fair amount of things still for this reason but some are still useful and so advanced users want them in.

 

I've had the P650SE/NP8651 for the past 2 years (bought from XoticPC). I've had no problems with it, in fact it has far surpassed my expectations.

I've kept the laptop stock during this time (apart from adding an SSD), but I'd like to overclock the GPU to push performance. I've never done this before, so I'd appreciate it if someone could point me towards a general guide/tips (preferably specifically for the 970m). Also, is it advisable to OC this GPU in terms of risks/cooling capacity?

 

You should be able to overclock about +135MHz on the GPU core with the stock VBIOS. I think video RAM clock is essentially unlocked. You just slowly increase these clock speeds and test it with a game, watching for any drawing errors or even a freeze or BSOD.

Try getting MSI Afterburner and seeing if you can increase the core clock. To go higher than the ~135MHz limit, you need a modified VBIOS such as one made by Prema, but he has shut his site down so that's tricky to come across. Naturally, flashing a BIOS is a more risky endeavor too.

Note that you may just end up causing it to throttle after it heats up. These notebooks don't have a lot of cooling headroom.

 

On the stock BIOS there is usually a balance for best sustained performance around the +75mhz range.

 

I downgraded mine from 1.05.01 to PremaMod without trouble.
I was thinking of doing my own BIOS using 1.05.01 as base. Maybe at the end of the year I might have something.

 

Right, in this case downgrading to 1.03.xx is no problem as the 1.05.xx base only fixes a single bug in W10 secure-boot mode.

 

I was just experimenting with a GPU overclock in Forza Horizon 3, trying to boost my framerate to a stable 60FPS. I tried a +230MHz core clock on the 970M yesterday and it seemed to be relatively stable for the 10 minutes I tested it, but today using the same values caused the laptop to freeze and bluescreen. So perhaps not a good idea to push it this far in future. The temperatures remained cool throughout at around 65°C. I didn't try increasing the voltage past the default value so don't know whether this would have made a difference to the stability. Either way, probably not worth the risk of ruining an expensive laptop for the sake of a few extra FPS.

BTW, while i'm here can anyone rate my Arctic MX-5 thermal paste application from about 1 year ago. It's probably terrible. I couldn't find many guides on the internet for a laptop with a similar CPU/GPU so just ended up applying what I thought was best. It's hard not to apply too much because the stuff comes out of the damn tube so quickly. I was thinking about dismantling the laptop this weekend and giving it a better application. It could probably do with a good clean because the amount of dust which came out last time was disgusting.

 

Almost correct, use a line like have for the CPU and use an X pattern for the GPU for best coverage.

 

Thanks for the feedback, Meeker! I see what you mean about using the cross-shaped pattern on the GPU; it would definitely be more effective. I'll have another go at it over the weekend since the laptop is probably due for a good clean!

 

Sounds like a plan to me, keep an eye on the spread pattern as it gives hints to the quality of paste application and contact.