*** Official Clevo P67xRP6-G/P67xRS-G (Sager NP8172/8173) Owner's Lounge ***

6 indicates a high end BGA model, 5 is the screen size, 0 is the variant, H is Kaby Lake, P6 is 1060.

 

lol you trying to make me more confused by not explaining it in the order? So if H is Kaby Lake then what is R for? If its for Sky Lake then why can I find p670rp6 with Kaby Lake. And where do you get this information?

 

What are you talking about? I literally just listed all the information in the order it appears in the model number.
P6 - BGA with high end GPU
5/7 - 15/17 inch
0 - Variant. Differs from model to model. For example, P770DM was the 980M variant and P775DM could mount the 980.
H - Kaby Lake
P6 - 1060
P650HP6. If you see a -G it means G-Sync. You can see all the models Clevo offers here, and then it's just a matter of seeing what model has what and using some common sense. If you see a Kaby Lake P670RP6 it's a mislabeled P670HP6.

 

Thanks. I was confused by the 6 and p6 at the end as well as the 5 but figured that out

 

P6xxRx = Skylake CPU
P6xxHx = Kabylake CPU

That's basically it.

Actually, the P775DM was 970M/980M only. P775DM1 was 980N. The P775DM/1 models had a different internal layout to the P770DM by a little, with less USB ports. I always found it was a dumb model due to only 3 USB ports; you could just get a P870DM with a 980 and it'd work better.

Just a fun tidbit =D

 

So I'm about to pull the trigger on this laptop but I was wondering if people here could comment on which cpu, gpu, or combination of the two tends to run hotter or is it negligible. So does the 7700hq run hotter than the 6700hq? And does the gtx1070 run hotter than the gtx1060? I want to get the coolest running components .

 

The difference in temperatures on the CPUs will be negligible. You may as well get the 7700HQ. On the GPU, the 1070 will run a bit hotter, but it's well worth the significantly better performance over the 1060. If you're that concerned about temperatures, buy your system from some place that offers Coollaboratory Ultra thermal compound as an upgrade.

 

I went with the 6700hq on the grounds that I won't be overclocking it anyways and at stock the performance is pretty much the same. So save some money and have a marginally cooler system. But if you want to overclock then by all means go for the other one.

I do also think that the thermal paste upgrade is worthwhile, unless you are planning on doing it yourself.

In general temperatures on the laptop are really, really good, so I wouldn't lose any sleep over which processor you pick when it comes to temperatures - pick based on whether you think you want the extra power and overclocking or not.

 

Hey saturnotaku, if it wasn't for your youtube vids of the p670rs and p775dm3, I wouldn't even know what the comps looked like (at least its underside) - thanks for that. I was also leaning towards the p775dm3 but think I'm gonna go for the p670rs. I can do my own thermal pasting (hopefully its easy like the np8130 to do that) and I don't overclock my cpu so I think I'll go with the 6700hq and gtx1070 - getting 10% off amazon with the amex blue card so I'll be getting a real good deal.

 

so I'm looking at this one https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01MXDGDD8/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=APTJB2SEQO65W

How hard is it to drop a 2.5" 1 tb hard drive into this (I've never installed a hard drive)? And can anyone link a cheap good one? Or should I go with another M.2 SSD?

 

For a $150 price difference, I'd say go with the 6700HQ and put that money toward extra RAM or storage.

Adding a 2.5" drive isn't difficult. Just a bit more time consuming than on some models because you need to take off 19 screws on the underside in order to access the internals. Here is a link to the service manual that gives step-by-step instructions on how to add or replace a drive.

 

Hello guys i am a new owner of Clevo P670RS-G i have installed all drivers all apps and now installed couple of games, than i made a restart and touch pad stopped working, i tried reinstalling touch pad drivers trying different version from clevo , synaptic etc and still cant get it to work , any help ideas please ? also i never got a control panel for touch pad also though it did work before without it . but on all my laptops i always had control panel for touch pad

 

i changed my killer wireless 1535 to an intel wireless 8265 and my connection drops and problems are gone.
with the intel card my wifi/internet is finally stable. The wireless range of the intel card isn't as good as the killer's but still nice.

 

What router do you use out of interest?

 

As posted above it's not hard, but you do have to take out all of those screws.

I purchased that same one from Amazon around Black Friday. Got it for $1549, 2 days later it was $1749, a few more days it was up to $1949. See it's $1649 right now.

Sam

 

Do the reviews on that page seem a bit fishy to anyone else? It is a great laptop mired by atrocious software but almost all of them have the same or very similar list of "pros" and go out of their way to mention that they're not "paid shills". Just seems off to me, could be nothing though.

 

I'm using an old Fritz Box 7320

 

Try pressing FN + F1.

 

that was first thing to do , fixed it with vram reset. though it happens from time to time, have to update my bios maybe will fix this problem. have 1.05.01

 

Sounds like Clevo strikes again.

 

Any news what is the latest bios now and where to get it ? also do you have touch pad control panel ? like where you can change setting for multi touch etc

 

I don't know about a touch pad control panel. The latest BIOS is from your reseller, however I know not what that is. Who did you buy it from?

 

I'm having trouble finding the right thread on nbr for reviews or impressions on the new kaby lake systems, particularly with the 120hz screen. Can somebody point me to the right thread for this? The model I am interested in is
NP8157

 

There's none yet. I can make one later. For now, ask your questions here.

 

purchased from obsidian

 

Ah. Unfortunately not a Prema Partner (not by choice; by legality sadly). I can't say whether Prema would let you get a copy with a donation. It probably would have stabilized that issue.

 

I've got an EDP throttle showing up on my 6820hk using Limit Reasons/ThrottleStop/HwInfo - I can't push over the stock configured PL1/PL2 no matter what i do. Seems like the BIOS or EC is ignoring my set TDP values. Even with PL3/PL4 and TDC overrides set. Seems to be a common enough issue w/skylake+ systems. I've done a fair bit of poking around so far, but can't find a simple fix yet. On a full 4 core load my multiplier immediately throttles back to 32x (stock) - despite being overridden to 40 for 1/2/3/4 core load. Even upping the BCLK causes the multiplier to drop further to compensate. Right around 3.2ghz on 4 core prime95 load.

I did some poking, talked to UncleWebb (ThrottleStop author) about it, etc. - not sure where the limit is coming from.

One hinderance is the locked down BIOS. Having to use AMIBCP or hex editing the Setup NVAR store is a bit of a pain in the butt to test the myriad of settings we can't see. I think there is quite some headroom for tweaking things if we can access some of the more low level things that aren't exposed or meant for us to touch. I'm working on developing an app for my own internal use while I reverse engineer the EFI, my immediate goal to discover where this throttle is coming from and override it. Longer term i'd like to enable some cool low level stuff like custom fan tables running on the EC itself w/o eating CPU cycles, control over individual LEDs on the system, etc. If there's interest, i'll release the tool when it gets more mature. The Skylake/Kaby Lake architecture seems to have introduced some cool stuff (that's new to me, at least!)

This would, among other things, automate the process of creating a "Prema" type BIOS. Medium-term goal would be loading the bios, clicking "unlock", it spits out a file that you flash and blammo.

 

how can prema know from what reseller i got my laptop? i could just download their bios and install or is there any hint?

 

Just one note for everyone here..

Don't use Furmark ffs if you value your hardware.. It kills GPUs.. It's not a realistic test at all so use something like Firestrike or Heavens Benchmark instead..

Sent from my LG-H850 using Tapatalk

 

If you're getting eDP throttling, you should raise your ICC current max, I believe it's called on skylake. Set that to about 256. See if it helps. You said you've tried bclk and PL1/2/3/4 but never mentioned current limit, which is the root of the problem as reported here.

Good luck, but you'll probably only brick the machine from what I know. There is a very extremely large reason why I do not recommend a Clevo unless it's from a Prema shop.

 

The files are not publicly available.

 

Why aren't they listed on the respective company's driver page? Depending on which company, it could take a while to get a response from support and for the less tech savvy people, they wouldn't even know what a BIOS is, which wouldn't be good if it had critical fixes.

 

The prema files are privately developed and not publicly released while the standard files you have answered your own question.

The lay person does not understand the crucial difference between the P870DM and P870DM3, they choose the wrong file and brick the machine.

 

Fair enough. Still, though, in the event of a critical bug or something similar, how would resellers get updates out? Mass email?

 

I haven't come across an option specifically labelled iccmax anywhere (i've been looking!) - but we have TDC for ia/ring/uncore/gt-slice/gt-unslice, and when those values are set in BIOS, XTU reflects them (as IccMax). Changing those again, has no effect ;( I wish it did! So, tried: TDP/TDC/PL1/PL2/PlatformPL1/PlatformPL2/PL3/PL4/PSYSMax.

As to bricking my machine, well I suppose that depends how you define brick. I have the proper hardware to recover from that brick if/when it happens, I wouldn't be so crazy to work on this project without that! I don't even have the bottom of my P670RS-G screwed in any more, so I can have easier access to the chips! My lappy isn't from a Prema partner (Prostar), so I figured i'd make my own, and while i'm at it, take it a few steps further and automate the whole process.

 

ia probably is IccMax. Ring/Uncore is to do with cache if I remember right. gt-slice/gt-unslice I don't know.

Well, again, good luck. Just from what I know, I don't think you'll be able to flash anything. Swap the BIOS chip directly, maybe, I guess.

 

Don't waste your time, that throttle isn't even in the BIOS...

 

The BIOS chip can be programmed directly with an in-circuit SPI Programmer, which can be had decently cheap. Anyway, that part is only needed for development really, the end product can be pushed with software to flash it.

Power the system off, hook up to the BIOS chip (4 different EEPROMs are supported by our software, the full BIOS is 8mb)
Power the motherboard (hook up to the power brick)
Dump or program the contents of the flash chip.

I've already unlocked my flash descriptor, raised BCLK, enabled speedshift, TSX, TXT, etc., all that stuffs you would do in the Prema BIOS, just haven't written the software to automate it yet. Manual edits at the moment.

 

OK, thanks for the tip Is it in EC? We can modify that too.

 

It's the EC firmware you have to look at.

 

I want to upgrade the RAM modules for my clevo to p670rp6, now I have two DDR4 2133MHz modules.
Which is the hightest possible speed my Notebook can clock it's RAM? And which modules Do you recommend? Thanks

 

Unless you have an unlocked/overclockable CPU and you will be overclocking, faster speed RAM isn't going to do you any good.

 

It can do a lot for him. Faster RAM reduces CPU load in games/programs, and improves minimum FPS. If someone had a slower CPU and couldn't upgrade it (like a FX 8350 or these 6700HQs) the first thing I'd tell them to do is get some impeccable RAM.

I don't know what your fastest speed can be. @Prema do you happen to know?

If you have it from a Prema partner shop, when the mod comes in, depending on what Prema says, I'd get the 3000MHz 16-18-18 RAM.

 

The difference between 2400 and 3000 MHz RAM is 5% or less in most games, yet the latter will cost anywhere from 30-50% more. A set of DDR4-2400 or 2666 with tight timings (CL14 or less) is about the sweet spot in terms of performance per dollar.

 

At what timings? Just giving me speeds doesn't do much. When I swapped from 1600 to 2133 and the timings remained the same, I lost as much as 20% CPU load (out of 100%, as in was 80/100 now 60/100) per core in some games, and my highest FPS boost was in Evolve Stage 2, going from about 80fps to 110fps average, without changing anything else.

Going from 2133MHz 15-15-15-35 to 3000MHz 15-17-17-39 (not sure if the 6700HQ could handle it; the 6700K does) is almost 50% faster RAM with almost no bump in timings. Difference should be night and day. But that's if it could be handled by the processor. I don't know what the board limit is or anything, so I asked Prema as I think he knows most about these models.

I will not deny, however, that 2400MHz 14-14-14-36 will be more cost-effective, but as far as I can tell, 32GB of the 3000MHz RAM is around $232 and 32GB of the 2400MHz is (going by HIDevolution which allows me to select no ram) $175 for 4 sticks, and $220 for 2 sticks.

 

I was just looking for opinions on the panel quality, after reading about the banding issues on Aorus and Alienware, and assembly quality meaning minimal pressure points, light bleed, and so forth. I have already seen the older version in person with the 60hz screen and it's a very impressive laptop from a built quality standpoint, I thought it was very good. Also the other interesting data like heat and so forth. Anyway, I guess you could say just all the usual questions, so I am looking forward to the first guinea pig / test tube.

 

Oh. Sounds awesome. I hear a banding-fixed 3K panel will come soon. Can't say when, or if it's even fully true. But it's what I heard.

Do let us know about swapping screens and how it works =D.

What I *REALLY* want to know is if the Chi mei screen is a slot-in for these machines...

 

Even 5% is generous, it's usually around 1%. It's the final cherry on top of a fully tweaked system.

 

In poking around w/locating a driver for our Realtek Audio chipset when used in SST mode (hidden BIOS option), I discovered these work:
https://downloadcenter.intel.com/do...LC-Audio-Driver-for-Intel-NUC-Kits-NUC7i-x-BN
They probably also work in "normal" mode, too.
This is version 6.0.1.7982 vs. 6.0.1.7874 on clevo's site.

 

i have found this on forum obsidian https://forum.obsidian-pc.com/discussion/17/obsidian-pc-supports-premamod
doesnt this mean than they donate prema and so their bios would be available ?