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The HEL80...that takes me back.


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Indeed that's going a long way back I was going through some of my old systems recently

 

Hi there Saturnotaku. I notice that you seem to have a p670 without a gsync laptop display but managed to get gsync working on an external gsync monitor. I am in a similar situation having bought a p650 last year with a gtx 1070 but with the standard non gsync 60hz display. Could I ask, how did you manage to get gsync running on an external gsync monitor? (switchable/discrete graphics mode, what connection?, what settings in nvidia control panel?)

Thanks for answering!

 

The P6XX internal display supports G-Sync when the BIOS is set to discrete rather than MsHybrid/Optimus at least that is unless you bought a system that specifically did not list the screen as supporting it.

G-Sync works on any compatible external monitor as long as you're connecting from mini-DisplayPort to DisplayPort. Both MSHybrid and discrete function this way as the external connectors bypass the integrated GPU.


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Any P6xx that supports GPU switching can use the displayport to connect to an external G-sync display and get G-sync.

 

Thanks for the quick replies. Sounds great

 

The GTX1070 should pair really nicely with a high refresh rate 1080p or even 1440p monitor and the G-sync will work well with the latter especially.

 

You just need to make sure that you buy a G-Sync compatible display as opposed to FreeSync. They are quite a bit more costly new but you can often find good deals on the second hand market. I got a 1440p 27-inch G-Sync monitor with the box and receipt (in case I need to file a warranty claim) for less than $400 from someone locally on Reddit.

If you're looking at new displays, Acer and Asus are about to start shipping 1080p G-Sync monitors with true 240 Hz refresh rate panels.


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You might find some of the first generation displays going too second hand.

 

The big problem with first-generation G-Sync monitors is that they only came with a single DisplayPort input. Obviously this won't matter if you're not planning on connecting other devices to it, but it ended up being an issue in my use case.

 

Yeah, that was a pretty major limitation (and one thing I run into).

 

Is there any word on BIOS or EC updates for this model? My original duel screen/cpu usage issue was sorted out with the 2nd BIOS released, but I'm wondering if there were any more issues that may have since been addressed.

 

The update that fixed the high CPU usage issue with an external monitor had problems with MSHybrid/Optimus mode, including lag when dragging windows and a black screen when playing full-screen video. A new BIOS/EC available from XMG/MySN fixed the Optimus problems and improved the fan curves but introduced another another multiple monitor issue with the system in discrete mode. I detail this problem, with video evidence here. I've actually been using MSHybrid full time since I'm connected to my external monitor 99% of the time anyway, but still, the sleep/wake issue in the previously linked thread, well...wasn't on the older BIOS/EC. It's something I hope Clevo will address, especially since XMG is supposedly working with them on it, and I've also alerted HIDevolution who will hopefully bring it up to the powers that be.

Up to you if you want to update, whether or not the multiple display sleep/wakeup thing will drive you crazy.

 

I fixed your statement for you

 

That's really disappointing to hear. I had zero such issues with my last Sager/Clevo. I wonder why this model has such a lot of issues :/

I only use discreet mode as I want to use Gysnc, but issues with sleep would be a deal breaker for me. I'm currently having issues with getting the BSOD from the touchpad driver (used 3 different versions), and the sound always reverts back to 100% volume after a restart (UPDATE: just don't use the latest driver from Clevo. Use the older one from Sager).


What sort of temps are ya'll getting? I've re pasted with Cyonaught paste, but still see the CPU temp get up to about 80c after extended use. I was hoping to see something in the mid 70s, but maybe I just have unrealistic expectations.

 

I got that as well with the driver that's installed by Windows 10. Synaptics put out an update, and I believe it was to specifically address the BSOD on Clevo notebooks. However, I couldn't get it to install using the download from them. What did work was using the driver from this utility. Been working fine ever since.

I had this as well. I'm using a newer version, build 6.0.1.8046 if I recall (I'm out of town away from my P670 for the next week). That seems to be working fine so far and the audio quality, at least to my ears, is notably better than the other driver anyway.

Your temps are fine. Mine has CL Ultra, and I generally see mid-70s under a gaming load and break 80 under synthetic benchmarks/stress testing. As long as you're not getting into the 90s, there's nothing to be concerned about.

 

You've made my weekend with that utility saturnotaku.

I asked Sager support (I must say I have has positive experiences with them) if there was a newer BIOS than the update they gave me in November 2016. I was at BIOS 1.05.04 LS2 & EC 1.05.02 TR1. I am now on BIOS 1.05.06 LS2 & EC 1.05.03. I'm not sure how I can post it here though?

The change log given to me was : Fixed the CPU performance big drop and stay there (keep on only 1-cpu-core usage) when hot-plug (or even after hot-unplug) an external monitor.

I'm not completely sure, but it this sounds like a fix for the issue I was having and that was fixed in the last BIOS they gave me. It's definitely not the same version, so I'm betting there are some other smaller updates. Either way, I'm happier knowing that they are still bringing updates out.

 

And I received my notebook repaired this week (motherboard replaced). I ran Time Spy a few times to check if everything was ok and....: 1st pass GPU 90ºC, 2nd pass GPU 91ºC

I opened the notebook to see wth was going on and I found out these guys just hadn't put enough thermal paste on the GPU so the corners of the die had no paste. Repasted it properly and now temps are normal again.

These are my temps after 2 hours playing Skyrim SE, GTX1070 6820HK and MX-4:

 

very nice temps

 

Temperatures are going to vary a lot by game of course due to the loads they place on both the CPU and GPU.

 

The current P6XXRS BIOS and EC are 1.05.07 and 1.05.05, I believe, that's what I have. Definitely not what Sager provided you.


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I wonder why they didn't send me the latest version? Maybe I should give the re seller a chance to be a help and ask them....

EDIT: This is the latest Sager update. Other vendors may have slightly different versions, as their verification processes will be different.

 

If you do end up getting the latest Sager ones, I'd appreciate it if you could shoot me a link to them, would be faster than going through their support.

 

So I finally decided to keep this comp and its quite a big step up from my last comp but within the first couple days I'm already noticing some worrying things. First off I'm hitting upper 80 gpu temps while playing overwatch which isn't the most demanding game. I am also experiencing weird reverberating sound coming from the sub-woofer or the bottom of the comp on any surface. It sounds buzzy and the speakers themselves are surprisingly tinny sounding as well. My display comes up as generic pnp monitor in device manager - is this normal? I'd like to know what screen I have because I believe I was given a 3K screen instead of a FHD screen.

 

Different Clevo integrators do things differently. Whatever set Sager sent you was probably the latest that passed their internal validation process or something.

If you have the Sager version of this notebook, I don't think your reseller is going to be much help. HIDevolution and XMG deal with Clevo more directly so they may have access to files that Sager does not.


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The temperatures are a bit concerning. Do you have any more demanding games you can try? Long as you're not getting into the 90s you're fine. The speaker issue is something I would contact your reseller about - if they grant an RMA, maybe they can do a repaste to help get the temperatures down.

The generic monitor thing in device manager is normal. Nothing to worry about there.


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On Eluktronics site the latest BIOS is 1.05.05.

Sam

 

Thanks for the info but how can I find out what kind of display I got? If I can set my screen resolution to 3840x2160 I guess I got a 4k screen? I'll try battlefield 1 for a few hours. Here are my 3dmark scores with whatever drivers eluktronics put on this comp (3dmark apparently can't recognize my gpu and calls its generic vga even though it can tell its a 1070 in the ap): Fire Strike: 12004; Time Spy: 5021; 3DMark Vantage Performance: 35792; 3DMark 11 Performance: 14207. Let me know if those scores are good or bad. I can also post more detailed breakdown for the cpu scores since those seemed to be where I got the lowest fps.

 

I've only ever seen the P670RS offered with a 1080p display so I'm not sure why you're seeing 4K as an option.

I can't help you on the 3dmark score as I haven't run that program in over a decade. Someone else will have to chime in on that.


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Sager support always gets back to me relatively quickly. Just email them with your model number, and current BIOS, when asking them if there is an update.

I don't have a link. They emailed me directly....

 

Yeah, was just hoping they could be uploaded or something. And I did this, they said my version was current so...

 

Can you PM me your email address? I'll gladly send you what they sent me, but use at own risk!

 

I did a fresh win 10 install and I'm getting stuttering. Like the usb mouse would freeze for a sec. Anyone know what's going on?

 

Running in DISCRETE or MSHYBRID mode?
Try DISCRETE and let us know if you still have mouse freeze.

 

Checking if something odd DPC latency wise is going on is also worth a look.

 

Great idea.
Not "also worth" but in fact you probably will you get a huge spike matching the mouse freeze and you will at least be able to know what´s causing that.
In the past the switch from iGPU to dGPU would cause such a spike.
The only part of DPC that is a pain to diagnose is when it reports spikes @ ACPI or Wdf01000.sys, on both cases any driver can be the culprit and unless you start with a clean system and check while you install one driver at a time you will never find out.

 

Similar issue with mine was fixed by changing power settings. Go into the Sager CC and set the computer to "performance".

 

So after a week of testing this comp out, I'm getting only 90+ degree cpu temps when I play overwatch and its rare and seems to drop down to high 80s quickly. Gpu temps never have gone over 90 but I've seen 88. I'm using hybrid setting rather than discrete. Battlefield 1 runs hot too with upper 80s. Surprisingly the witcher 3 doesn't run that hot and my fav game heroes of the storm runs cool. I guess these are borderline acceptable temps but they do make me nervous. The sound problem I mentioned early seems to have gone away or something and was only happening in overwatch. I did notice something strange happen when I connected an hdmi cord to my tv. The cable slightly unplugged and the comp screen started going all weird with blackouts and strange colors and resolutions. I had to power off to fix it. Besides these things though, this comp is a beast and games look beautiful!

PS: I did get a 4k screen without asking for one and I have to say it seems pretty pointless to me when it comes to gaming. I can't really tell the difference between 1920x1080 vs 4k. If anything 4k looks blurry in some games.

 

Thanks, worked fine.

 

For gaming on a small screen it is pretty over kill for most people.

 

Is it stock thermal paste or ICD?

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I'm guessing stock thermal paste since I had no option to change it. I have some artic silver 5 but I don't want to open this thing for a while until it at least needs a cleaning maybe or I add another ssd drive.

 

The 4k screen couldn't be causing heat problems could it? That's playing games not in 4k of course.

 

Arctic Silver 5 is Junk... Get some IC DIamond or Kryonaut...

Also, stock paste is always ****... Your better off replacing it ASAP.. High temps wear out your laptop faster too...

Have you tried Undervolting the CPU in the meanwhile?

 

4k does affect power requirements and battery performance. I Dont think it would affect to a point of overheating unless he is playing as you stated.

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The panel itself will only put heat into the lid, it wont impact the internals of the main chassis.

 

Thanks guys.
Switching to discreet fixed the hanging. I have to do more tests to see if power settings will fix it with optimus.

 

Anyone actually have any luck controlling the fan speed with the Control Center software? seems no matter what i set, the fans come on (not on full blast or anything, but annoying nonetheless) at around 40 degrees, just surfing the web.

 

I am still on stock thermal paste and undervolting helps a lot . without undervolting in games like far cry primal i got up to high 80's some times even hit low 90 at times.
but now i get not higher than high 70's
though in battlefield 1 as its cpu intense game i get low 80's after longer playing the game.
also got myself a cooling pad for more demanding games if i decide to play longer. want to keep my laptop long life healthy

on normal pc usage not gaming like browsing undervolting cut down temps from high 40's to high 30's

i purchased kryonaut but since undervolting helped a lot i am unsure as to how much will it help me to improve and is it worth it to disassemble and risk to do something wrong. also still dont have izoproli alochol and waiting to get it to clean old thermal paste.

also i would like to know if i would consider replacing old thermal paste should i replace thermal pads also ?

 

Is it necessary to reformat the PC (clean install Windows10) after installing the new control center software? i read that somewhere, cant remember where. some glitch due to intel overclock utility built into the CC, that the newer version from obsidian updater removes.

i tried this newer version and it made the fans come on more often during light use (web browsing/video)