*** Official Clevo P75xDM and P77xDM/Sager NP9758-G and NP9778-G "Batman 2.0" Owner's Lounge ***

Hi guys,

It seems that I have control for All, Core, Cache, Graphics, Memory and Other in Intel XTU. Previously, I only have control for Core and Cache only. This happens after I updated the BIOS to 1.05.06 from palkeo and reinstalled Intel XTU 6.0.2.8 as the watchdog driver is not installed after the BIOS update. However, the motherboard is now recognized as P775DM(-G) instead of P750DM(-G). Am I doing anything wrong here?

 

Hey all!
I am planning to buy a Clevo laptop with desktop GTX 980, however I can not decide between this one or the Phoenix. Are there any significant differences between these two? Is the GTX 980 in this one has lower clock compared to the one in the Phoenix ? Yes, I know the chassis and cooling is different, but can this laptop still keep a 6700k and GTX 980 under throttle level ? I have checked out the Notebookcheck test of this laptop and according to that test Furmark was only able to run for a few minutes before a complete thermal shutdown. Is the cooling really this bad ?
What are the cpu and gpu temps under games with high GPU+CPU usage ? (Like the new Tomb Raider?)

I am planning to use 1 single GTX 980 with no future plans to upgrade to SLI. Is Batman 2.0 enough for me or Phoenix is suggested because of the better cooling ?
Phoenix costs $500 more here, is the better cooling worth this price ?

ps. :What are the base+boost clocks during gaming ?

 

It's a bit tricky, because this thread was started to discuss the P75x and P77x but not the P775DM1 which is the chassis that supports GTX 980 - so if you want to use the nomenclature from nbr the 15" and 17" Batman chassis only support mobile cards, not the desktop GTX 980.

We have had botht he P775DM1 and the P870DM reviews on notebookcheck, so you have a nice comparison from the same reviewers:

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Schenker-XMG-U716-Clevo-P775DM1-Notebook-Review.155740.0.html

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Schenker-XMG-U726-Clevo-P870DM-Notebook-Review.153136.0.html

The U716 review was conducted second and they spend quite a lot of time discussing the difference between the lower and higher TDP version of the GTX 980 - ultimately concluding that the synthetic benchmark diffrence is only around 3%.

Where did you read about the thermal shutdown on notebookcheck? There's not really anything to separate thermal performance between the two chassis with the same spec (apart from the differing GPU TDP)!

 

According this:
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Eurocom-Sky-DLX7-Clevo-P775DM1-Notebook-Review.155423.0.html

FurMark can trigger a thermal shutdown in a few minutes ...

 

Well, I am going to buck the trend on this notebook and say my experience with the notebooks quality and the vendor’s support can best be described as “anticipointment.” This was probably the most highly anticipated notebook I have ever purchased. I decided to go barebones as I like to control exactly what is in and on my PC. I purchased a 6700k processor, some fast RAM and a 950 PRO nvme drive.


Once I took the notebook out of the box, the first thing that struck me was the cheap build quality feel. The case does not seem rigid and the rubberized finish is of the type I am familiar NOT holding up well to scratches/blemishes. Then came time to install the components. There is no installation guide as is customary for previous barebones PCs I have purchased in the past, leaving the user to guess at where there various screws and latches may be. The heatsink, one removed is noticeable scored. Contacting the vendor assured me this is simply a “positioning mark” but this represents a poor build to me. Create a feature somewhere within the body of the heatsink if you need such a feature. Seeing a large score on what should be a flat surface is a poor design.


Then came the keyboard. It was a bear to get out and once removed was a bear to get reinstalled and then I noticed why. The metal tray the keyboard sits on was bowed causing the top of the keyboard to not seat firmly in the much too small tabs that hold the top of the keyboard (another poor design choice.)


I contacted the vendor, R&J Tech, about this and despite plainly seeing the problem being the keyboard, was given the choice to send the unit back to them or to void my warranty by having them send me a new keyboard. Shipping back was over $50 and I was told they would repair this issue and repaste the processor/video card (an area that is already full of dirty pads now as I had to remove my first paste jobs paste and some invariably gets on the thermal pads.)


The notebook was just returned. The issue…it needed a new keyboard (surprise). Out of caution for how the rest of the job has gone, I asked about the repasting. That did not get done, so now I must go purchase new paste and do the job myself again.


So here I sit 2 months after receiving the notebook and I have yet to even get an OS loaded on this thing. I paid extra for the 30 day no dead pixel warranty, which I hope will be honored from the date I actually get the thing functional.


All in all, simply not an acceptable experience for a notebook that costs this much money.


edit: Hooray. I took the unit apart and found out the area HAD been repasted. Now I have to clean off the old, making an even bigger mess inside what was SUPPOSED to be a new notebook and reapply. Calling R&J Tech got the answer, "Sorry we must have forgot we repasted it. Just use it as/is." I've never heard a manufacturer or supplier say to REUSE a paste job once the seal is broken.

At this point I have to decide whether to keep what is decidedly NOT a new notebook any longer or return it with credit card protections. There are small finished screws that have been removed and reapplied so many times now they have lost their finish, the inside has remnants now of 2 past paste jobs (it gets under the video chips plastic seals, etc.

I cannot recommend either R&J Tech or Clevo barebones machines at this point

 

Only an idiot who wants to burn out his GPU uses Furmark.. Also NVIDIA has built in protection to prevent Furmark from Burning out the GPU so yes it shuts down after a while..

 

That is why you only puprchase from reputed retailers.

When my keyboard lost one of its keys, HIDevolution just sent me a new keyboard and they even paid for shipping

See my full experience about them here:

HIDevolution - The Best Company I ever dealt with

 

What do you recommend p750 4k or AW 17 4k?

 

Well I received my P770DM-G from Mythlogic a week ago and I could not be more pleased with this machine. My thanks go out to Mythlogic. Their attention to detail has really given me peace of mind and this thing arrived ready to game right out of the freakin box. (Or I should say right out of the box, within a box, within a box, to anyone who knows their awesome shipping style)

I am a complete laymen when compared to you all here on the forums when it comes to overclocking and all that, but even without any changes this thing absolutely screams.

i7-6700K, 980M, 32GB memory, Samsung 512GB 950 PRO m2 drive.

Couple quick questions.

1) I assume the Intel Extreme tuning utility is kind of ingrained into the clevo control center and all that correct? I have no problem with it. I don't intend to remove it, or even use it for overclocking. However XTU incorrectly reads the 980m as 4gb rather than 8gb. Nvidia control panel correctly reads it as 8. Is it common for monitoring programs like this to get things wrong?

2) XTU gives temperature info for the processor but not for the graphics card. Do you all have any suggestions for good GPU monitoring programs, or systemwide programs? I had Speccy on my old machine but apparently it doesn't play nice with windows 10. Any suggestions? Also, is there any problem with having multiple monitoring/overclocking programs on a system at once?

3) While not really the place for it, anyone have good suggestions for soundblaster X-FI MB5 settings for gaming? There's quite a few options and they dramatically effect things. But my non audiophile ears can't be trusted for finding optimal settings.

Glad to have finally entered the bat cave. It's nice to actually be able to play games from later than 2009 for the first time in a long time.

 

1) Yes, it's quite common for vram to be misread.

2) Hwinfo for system wide temps.

3) Don't worry about what other people think, set it to what you like

 

I'm not aware of any issues with this and they didn't experience the issue when they tested the XMG P716:

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Schenker-XMG-U716-Clevo-P775DM1-Notebook-Review.155740.0.html

 

We had the same question from a Schenker W505 customer last year - CPU-Z showed the 980M as a 4GB card and DxDiag also stated 4GB even though the GPU was 8GB, when you look at GPU-Z it will read correctly

 

Well have got myself this little beastie and am more than happy with the little devil indeed

 

Congratulations! if you can tell me about the build quality and speakers, also does it run hot under load?

 

Here is an extract from my personal review of the P750DM-G

Components: An i7 6700 + GTX 980M make for an excellent 1080p/1440p gaming machine in such a small form factor, equalling a desktop at most tasks. The 16gb of DDR4 is more than upto an job atm, and with two free dimm slots under the keyboard for future upgrades if required.

Storage: The Samsung M.2 SSD in combination with the Mech HDD is an excellent choice, there are also a free M.2 and Sata for future expansion.

Screen: Bright with very little light bleed l am more than happy, once l have set it up it will do nicely, bright and accurate for what l need.

Sound: Excellent sound if a little distorted at high volume, the Sound Blaster X-Fi MB5 adds depth and is an excellent addition. I have strapped some Creative T20 to compliment this system.

Software: As always no bloat ware, you may need to install the short cut key manager from the CD or get the latest from the Clevo download page, l also installed the Realtek drivers and Sound Blaster software from the Clevo web page for this model.

Build quality/Style: Is excellent, this is a sturdy well made machine, it does not pretend to be a Macbook and has been nicknamed Batman 2.0 on a highly popular laptop forum.

Gaming: More than capable, on another forum l use, this system runs faster than a i7 4790k + GTX 960 by quite a margin (synthetic benchmark) on Firestrike this laptop achieved 8575 at stock with the latest Nvidia 361.75 drivers. With G-sync enabled game play is smooth be it Fallout 4, GW2 or War Thunder. (Experience may vary)

Weight: No need to go to the gym if you move this bad boy around, however it is not overly heavy, but assuredly so.

Dimensions: Compact ideal for LAN gaming or taking on work based courses or work related trips abroad or at home.

Cooling: Outstanding cooling, with fans set to auto max temps in Fire Strike are CPU = 64'c hottest core GPU = 61'c. CPU under volt -100 mV
Which is more than acceptable, temps may creep during extended game play, however l do not foresee them breaking the thermal throttle limit. (Laptop is sitting on a Coolermaster U2 without fans fitted)

Noise: when browsing the web or typing this fans are silent, benchmarking with Fire Strike the fans ramp up with a gentle whoosh nothing more, even FN + 1 selected for max rpm the fans are not overy loud.

Keyboard: Excellent backlight, with good key travel but will not get much use as l use and external keyboard.

Trackpad: Accurate and large, the mouse keys are a little mushy for my taste, however they are quiet, again will not get much use as l use and external mouse.

Ports: Plenty of ports for a 15.6" laptop and nice to see the Thunderbolt there also.

 

GPUs do tend to throttle with furmark so maybe there was a firmware bug and it did not quite like it should.

 

Hi all,

It seems that I have control for All, Core, Cache, Graphics, Memory and Other in Intel XTU. Previously, I only have control for Core and Cache only. This happens after I updated the BIOS to 1.05.06 from palkeo and reinstalled Intel XTU 6.0.2.8 as the watchdog driver is not installed after the BIOS update. However, the motherboard is now recognized as P775DM(-G) instead of P750DM(-G). Am I doing anything wrong here?

 

I think you flashed 775dm bios. Otherwise that situation can't be explained.

 

However, it says PM750DM(-G) in the website. Hence, I proceeded with the update.

 

Ask the website staff about the situation.
I dont think your current situation is right.

 

Don't worry Clevo just has some internal naming hick-ups...looks like they are confused by their own naming system...

 

If it's working then the models are so similar from an electrical point of view I can't imagine you getting too many issues.

 

Be wary when you come to update again for any reason. I had a working P770DM that after a bios update was registering as P775DM. After a second update that's now been identified as a mislabeled P775DM bios. (it was labelled as for P770DM) When the second update failed it bricked though I was unable to update with any P770DM updates either.
Prema is the authority on this though.

 

XMG used a P775DM BIOS and re-branded it for their P7xxDM systems, those files have caused a few bricks. (Also their P870DM files bricked a system because they are not properly signed...better don't use those updates for the time being...).

The one linked on the palkeo server has a single P775DM DMI code line left, but is in-fact using a proper P7xxDM base.

 

Hello new guy, just asking questions, Is there a updated or new bio's for the clevo 750dm-g, Trying to find one, somebody said there was one in beta. Got some of the g-skill 2800 and wanted to see if they would do it. Or even see how the 6700k layout works, same as 2011-3 type or different. Just came from desktop if you haven't guessed.

 

Prema has not released it to the public yet and it's still exclusive to his partners as far as I understand it. Keep an eye on his website.

 

LGA 1151 socket in a z170 express chipset.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9485/...-asrock-asus-gigabyte-msi-ecs-evga-supermicro



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Thank You 4 the 411, another newB question, is there a display port just for intel on board gpu, or is it left completely alone with no direct line of communication. Didn't know on monitor 1 connected to IGPU 2 monitor connected to Discrete GPU. For example

 

All outputs are wired via the dGPU. The only exception is DP1 is also muxed with the Thunderbolt/USB-Type-C port.

 

PC forward / dp on Right and thunder bolt 3.1 as 1 unified in harmony
and no IGPU Port
Thanx Just trying to get to know the layout,

 

Anyone using a 950 Pro nvme drive? Any attempts at heat sinking the drive? It shows a lot of thermal throttling under heavy load. There's evidently surprisingly good airflow through the drive compartment as putting the fans on maximum reduces the throttling a good bit.

 

I am visiting his website twice a day to see if it is released.
Jusg hoping to see it in very near future.

 

Hey guys!

My 771DM is having a weird issue. 1 out of 5 times when I turn it on I just get a black screen after POST. They keyboard stays at its default blue hue and I get nothing on screen and no response from the unit.
I'm forced to turn it off every time and it will only get back to normal after a few other restarts.
Then I finally get the Windows Recovery page and am able to do a clean restart. After that it works normal for a few more days.

Any guesses on what's wrong? I suspect some windows update bug. I would do a clean install but I'm needing the PC for work and it will be a big hassle to reinstall all the software and plugins again...

I have stock BIOS and stock everything

 

Verify its the first drive in the boot menu, numbering your hard drives in boot order. Sounds like phone connected to PC or some other boot corrupt-tor

 

I've got the 256GB 950 Pro and it gets a bit toasty. My use tends to be lots of random bursts (couple of VMs) or short-term sequentials (loading games).

Fact is, it doesn't thermal throttle unless I'm actually benching it for several minutes.

Sounds to me like you have hybrid shutdown still enabled and whatever bugs that may be associated. If it's in fact hibernating you can get all kinds of weird situations like what you're describing. The constant failed boots eventually reset the hibernation flag and cause a clean boot.

 

I wouldn't say a "lot". I use it for database analysis and some of my queries run for a few minutes (imports are 30 minutes at a minimum) and the drive remains fast so I don't think it's throttling though I haven't benchmarked it.

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It's unlikely to be that sequential, just the solid IOPS the drive can do is helping you there

 

Yeah my boot SSD is #1 in boot order.
I also don't have anything connected to the PC and it still happens.

I had hybrid shutdown disabled via Windows (Settings > Power > Change what the power buttons do > Uncheck box) but now I also did the cmd command powercfg /h off. I also used CCleaner to check for any registry errors, lets see if this fixes things.

It also might have something to do with my Creative E5 external USB DAC. The last time it happened, when it finally booted up, the DAC wasn't being recognized by Windows.
Thanks for the help!

 

I would like to ask the owners about just how loud the fans are in a P770DM both when gaming and when just doing normal office type stuff. My current computer is in my sig and I am having a couple of little problems that are most likely hardware (MB) and I am considering getting the new P775DM with the 980 GXX card. I don't expect a silent computer but I am a little concerned particularly about the office work.

I will get the P375 fixed and either keep it as a backup or pass it on to my daughter.

 

I must say, it is not a silent laptop. But If you are doing office work such as MS words, powerpoint, the fan wont bother you much.

 

Damnit!! It just happened again.
This time I promptly disconnected any USB devices and restarted. It powered up as normal. Although this has happened before with no devices connected.
I have a Creative E5 USB DAC and a Coolermaster base cooler with a USB hub where I have my mouse and keyboard connected.
Could any of them be causing this?

 

There is some basic info that would be helpful to troubleshoot this. What hardware is in your laptop (e.g., 950 Pro SSD?) If you do nothing, does the computer eventually boot, shutdown, or does the screen stay black? How long have you waited at the black screen? Does the HDD activity light blink during the black screen? What drivers are you using (e.g., Intel or Samsung drivers for SSD)? Are you using XTU? What is the last POST message visible when the screen goes black?


Beyond that, my first thought would be to use the laptop for about a week with NO peripherals plugged in AT ALL (i.e., no DAC, no base cooler, etc.). That way, you can establish a consistent baseline that removes as many variables as possible (and maybe notice a pattern). Because it’s intermittent, getting a consistent baseline will make troubleshooting much easier for you (and others trying to help). Troubleshooting 101: start by eliminating as many variables as possible and then test by introducing 1 variable, notice results, remove it, introduce variable #2, notice results, remove it, introduce variable #3, notice results, etc. etc. etc.


As was stated earlier, I would also make sure there are no hibernation/quick start issues going on. Since it’s hanging during/after POST, I’d look into other hardware issues (e.g., making sure all components are fully seated, OS partition/drive/boot sector, try booting without the battery, etc.), BIOS settings (e.g., hibernation, boot order which you already checked, etc.), and then basic software issues (e.g., drivers, OS conflicts/issues) in that order.


Hope this helps.

 

Thanks for helping.

Hardware:
I7 6700k
16gb ddr4 2400mhz
Gtx 980m
Crucial mx200 512gb M.2 + WD Black 750gb
Intel 8260 wifi


If I do nothing it just hangs there with a black screen. Keyboard stays blue even though I have it defined to red. HDD light continues to blink but loses intensity as time goes by.
I have waited more than 10 minutes with no change. Last POST message I see is perfectly normal boot screen.
I don't use XTU and have nothing overclocked.
Hybrid hibernation is also fully off.

It still happens without the base or DAC connected. I doubt it's due to my logitech g502 which is the only thing consistently connected to the notebook.

I guess I'll just do a clean Windows install. I think this started after some windows updates

 

Could be causing update to hang

 

Ok I think this is mainly because of the base. It's a Coolermaster Ergo Stand 3.
Without having it connected it seems to always turn on fine. Connected 1 or 2 times out of five I get the black screen.
It's connected to the laptop via a USB cable. I have my keyboard (Corsair K70) with it's two USB connections (one for data, another one for lights and power) connected to it and my mouse (Logitech G502) connected to the USB port on the keyboard.
I also have a small 5V phone charger connected from the wall to the cooler base in order to churn out a bit more power so it wouldn't, in theory, overload the USB connection for power.
Am I doing something wrong?

 

NICELY done with eliminating the variables!!! I'd start by removing all the peripherals and introducing them one by one to see what happens. My guess is it's the 5V charger to the cooler base, or it could be overdrawing the USB ports on the laptop. You could also try using different USB ports on the laptop, or even seeing what happens if the laptop is run off AC power only (i.e., take out battery brick) to narrow down a power issue. I've had several laptops that work fine off AC power alone, but as soon as you plug the battery in (regardless of it's charge state), it caused them to hang at POST.

Sounds like you've narrowed it down at least, and you know you don't have to send the laptop in to be fixed. Ditching the cooler base is the easy answer, or finding out what component or combination gets rid of the issue.

 

If you get a black screen what happens if you remove the cable when it is black screening?

 

So you have the fan on the stand, a keyboard that requires two USBs cables (one to power your lights) and your mouse all connected to a single USB on your computer. I would think that you are loading down that USB to the point of failure but whether that can cause your problem I don't know. The easy way to find out is disconnect as much as possible from the cooler base and connect them directly to your computer.

 

It continues to hang - no change

Keyboard that requires 2 usbs and a mouse. Fan is not turned on.
I have a cellphone charger just feeding power into the base so I don't have any power issues

I'm going to try a different USB hub. It might be the keyboard's fault. It's 1000Hz and I hear some motherboards don't like that

 

It was just a thought. I hope you get it sorted soon.