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Artok, it's a bless that the iGPU is not connected. Forget about Optimus and all the Intel-Driver hassle. Forget additional input lag. Forget about TDP-limitation that mobile cpus suffer from. These Desktop-CPU systems are about processing power. If you want 4 instead of 3 hours of battery life, you have enough options with mobile CPUs.

 

He said he needs the desktop CPU power in a mobile package, but doesn't care about graphics power. He'd rather use iGPU and save the money instead of using dGPU.

I get what he means, but that pretty niche.

 

Yep, i know that if i byu laptop with G-Sync - optimus has apparatly should be disabled. And I think if laptop configure with desktop motherboard chipset - that equal the maximum perfomance without any hardware issues(switchable graphics and etc...)

Thank you for the variant about buying a low-end MXM card. And i agree with you about eGPU. I think that eGPU will change prices and relation on the future MXM laptop graphics card.

 

Yeah, i know. But there won't be a Desktop-CPU with iGPU setup. Because it's too niche.
If you want lots of processing power and iGPU and Skylake, get an HK-Series CPU.

 

FYI, the P650/670 all have a MUX. They can switch between Optimus and G-Sync/DGPU.

You will probably not find a desktop cpu based system (either P700 or actual desktop) with Optimus ever built. While possible, there's currently no reason to do it.

 

I don't think I have seen any models with a desktop CPU and optimus at any point. Not a big sample size there, but the all haven't had it.

 

An almost identical tech existed on desktops called Virtu MVP (by Lucid/Logix) and actually worked in an almost identical manner to Optimus/DXHYBRID. Basically intercepting DX9/10 windows, routing to dGPU and forwarding it back to the IGP. Granted, it was buggy as hell and had some serious problems. It worked on the Z series Sandy/Ivy bridge systems. My desktop board (ASRock z77 Extreme4) actually has it (disabled though).

I have no idea what happened to Lucid The site is dead and they haven't done anything since Virtu originally flopped. I wouldn't be surprised if it was absorbed by Intel/Nvidia/Microsoft in some way as it's exactly the same. It was just too ahead of it's time and didn't have the proper support from Microsoft or GPU manufacturers to get going properly.

Also worth noting, Optimus/DXHybrid doesn't actually need any hardware. I'm surprised it hasn't been attempted again on desktops. In the case of P700 laptops, you'd just need a MUX chip, which Clevo already do with the P650/670 so....

 

P650/670 have a mobile CPU with HK and iGPU is enabled, is a good news , but in P650/670 thunderbolt3 port is not included. Anyway I need to wait for the refresh this laptop.

 

There is this http://clevo.com/clevo_prodetail.asp?id=880&lang=en
I don't know which vendor has it,no dgpu and tb3 though and not the highest end desktop processor

 

That's good, thanks, but thunderbolt3 is absent in specification

 

@artok you don't need thunderbolt 3 for 3 external displays as all gaming Clevos (even the 14 inch P640RE) comes with 2 display ports(1.2) and a HDMI(1.4). You just can't run 2x4K@60Hz/5k/Ltd. 8k. The 6820HK matches(mostly..) the stock 6700k with Max overclocking. If you really need the desktop CPU and thunderbolt3 for multiple higher res. Displays go for a DM with the cheapest MXM dGPU you can find(965m) which I would recommend... or wait for a thunderbolt 3 eGPU solution to use instead of the MXM(defeats the purpose of a laptop, rather get a micro ITX rig instead)

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Thanks, you right. I choose the cheapest MXM card. It will be better.

 

Is any reseller selling p750dm-g or p770dm-g with prema bios?
Any one any idea?

 

Hi all,

I have just got around to doing a benchmark on my laptop.

Results for Fire strike were 8583 http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/10892183

Do you think these are pretty good for a stock system?

I have also noticed my GPU is downclocking anymore. Is this because of these 361.75 drivers

Cheers

Jim

EDIT 1 : Well is must of been the 361 drivers as I am now using 362 and my 980m seems to be downclocking again now.

Just need to sort my benchmark results now

 

So ive been reading/lurking around the sager/clevo forum(bec thats what you do when you are really excited to get your new laptop but its not yet ready LOL) and i found out that many owners from the 870dm lounge seem to be getting bad cards. I was wondering if there is away i could definitely know/say within a week or so that what i have in my unit is a good or bad card?


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There's a list of the PremaMod partners here. It's worth noting that some (or at least Eurocom) don't include it as standard and it must be requested. At least with Eurocom that incurs an extra fee for warranty purposes.

I lurk in that thread a little but haven't seen these posts. What do you mean by bad cards?
Poor overclocking, high stock voltage/ASIC, DOA, or the cards are drinking all the milk when no one is looking?
Is it the 980M that people are having issues with or the 980 desktop model?
I'd assume most people with a 980M in there would have them in SLI and it could be related to that somehow, AFAIK both cards are limited by the worst performing of the two.

Any of the problems I mentioned can be checked for very easily.
GPU-Z will show the ASIC,and stock voltages.
Nvidia Inspector will reveal how well it can be overclocked though you may be risking your warranty. (If you tell anyone that is)
DOA would be very easy to spot by it failing to boot though I'd be disappointed that it had passed the sellers quality control.
Stealing the milk, look for cookie crumbs on the palm rest.

There was talk of an updated 980M and 970M; the 980MX and 970MX respectively but looking now there's reports of cancellation as well as reports made after the talk of cancellation " announcing" them. It's possible that NVIDIA are taking the higher performing ones and binning in anticipation of launch but really I can't see clearly if there ever will be a launch.

 

Ive read that some owners of the 980m sli version had 1 card die on them. Can you share a pic of what numbers or info is "correct or normal"? I will receive the unit on my 2nd week of my 1 month vacation in the us and i want to know within a day with the laptop if something is wrong so i can ship it back for a repair and get it on time, before i leave. I am crossing my fingers and hoping to win the silicon lottery on the screen. Hope i can oc it to 120hz lol


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Ah that is a concern. It is possible it's a power-delivery design issue with the P870M, they are power hungry cards. If overclocked with the PremaMods VBIOS they could consume 250w between them, chuck in another 100w for a stock processor it adds up. The service manual doesn't list the limitations of its power delivery system, it could be that it despite having 660w going in it struggles to regulate that down for the GPUs. Particularly since I haven't heard of this being an issue with any other model.

I can't say what numbers are typical only what my own are. I've applied Premamods VBIOS so the behavior isn't standard. The ASIC won't be influenced by VBIOS though voltages and performance levels may be and to what extent varies per card.
Note the maximum numbers in particular. This is after running steam VR test with plenty of multitasking and fan speed set to automatic in the "entertainment" control center setting.

This is without any overclocking and the processor unvolted by 120mV.

Spoiler

 

If you intend to volt mod and remove the power limits then adding in the VRMs into the 980M PCB for long term operation could be a good idea.

 

Is this in reply to my question? If yes what is vrm? Sorry i dont understand what you mean but would love to learn if you can explain it in laymans terms


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A VRM is a voltage regulator module. To put things simply they control and regulate power delivery.
@Meaker@Sager is suggesting that if you plan to run a 980M that's voltage unlocked at full voltage improving the cards ability to regulate power is a good idea. It would involve hard-modding the card and either soldering additional VRMs to the board or soldering replacement VRMs with ones rated for higher output. VRMs generate significant heat.

While I don't disagree it would be beneficial for the long-term as would additional capacitors; my concern was that the P870M itself is failing to distribute power correctly prior to reaching the cards otherwise I feel we'd hear more reports of these cards dying, spread across every model Prema has released VBIOS for.

 

Actually i dont plan on meddling with the voltages. Maybe a normal +135 on core + 100 on after burner just to squeeze out some performance. Usually if its a bad card how soon will i know? I just dont want to go through the hassle of shipping out the bad card to my reseller(incase thats the problem i will have) and not have a system til the new card arrives.


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That's a good idea. I have to say, I haven't really heard of the cards failing with the P7xxDM and don't know what did happen when they failed in other models so I can't really help you there. You could ask in the P870DM thread and find out how long their cards lasted.
If it was a bad batch there would be wider spread reports. I wouldn't worry about it.

 

FYI, the 980M uses the same 4+1 phase setup as the reference desktop 980 so I doubt that is the issue.

Funnily enough, the fat MXM 980 (ie desktop 980 on MXM shipped in P870DM) actually uses a 6+1 phase setup which is superior to the reference 980 design.

 

Not all phases are equal, the ones on the desktop 980 use many more chips to spread the load of each phase. It's one of the luxuries desktop cards get for having more PCB room.

 

By any chance do anyone of you guys carry the laptop in a backpack? I need a bag that can fit the 770dm. Been looking over at amazon and the only bags i found that can comfortably fit a 17inch laptop are the awvindicator 17/18 and targus xl. Need a backpack that can comfortably fit the laptop + some clothes for a day or two.

 

@Prema

Prema, can you please tell us when will be the time everyone can download your mighty Skylake mod bios?
I really hope oneday Korean Clevo reseller becomes Prema Partner.

 

Even if it comes out, i doubt i will have the guts to do an update bec if my mobo bricks i read that if is not covered by warranty

 

4.4 GHz CPU / 4.4 GHz Cache Ratio Overclocking Settings for Skylake 6700K on a CPU that isn't a very good overclocker settings

 

Attention all overclockers
Sager/Clevo Overclocker's Lounge

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that thread is heaven for the enthusiasts

 

Ok i think i tamed my beast again, out of the sudden my CPU hit temps of 91-92 °C, just disassembled my rig again, and cleaned it thoroughly with alcohol and reapplied some GC Extreme, besides that it's a horror to apply that stuff it worked out pretty well, get 71 °C max temp again with 25minutes of XTU and 4.2Ghz, hope tho Premamod arrives soon, i want to use static voltage but it seems it isn't working, i can set 1.1v and it still gets 1.2-1.3v applied and flunctuates like mad. I think @godfafa_kr noticed the same. Right now with -102mV Offset it hovers around 1.19-1.24v, i bet i could lower it to around 1.1v for only 4.2Ghz

 

Hi guys any of you care to share the bag/case you guys use to haul around your 770dm? Thanks!

 

The best bag in the world, I use it for my P870DM:

Everki Titan

 

I might need a mich cheaper option. This costs about 300$(US) in my country (amazon.in to be precise).
Suggestions?

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Holy crap its expensive! Was looking at 100usd range. Only thing i found nice was a vindicator 17 or 18 and targusxl but it looks really cheap

 

Check ebay its around 150usd bnew

 

Hello

I'm running my p750dm-g stock with 6700k
I noticed while rendering some footage with Cinema 4D which is very CPU intensive that my CPU temps hover around 80 (78-82) with Max temps up to 89. (HWMonitor)

How bad is that? I noticed that most people online say that anything above 80 for the 6700k is bad.

I also noticed that the "control center" software has fan control but it only allows the fans to operate at 80% max which means that I always have to keep an eye on temps and make sure that I set the fan manually to 100% by pressing Fn+1, is there a way to increase the 80% fan power max limit on automatic or custom settings?

Just in case you're not aware Cinema 4D is like Cinebench but i have to run it for hours sometimes when I render video frames and the CPU is running at 100%

 

Dont install 364.47 drivers, u will loose g-sync support (nvidia driver sees p750dm-g screen as non g-sync one, no additional g-sync menu, rebooting and clean install doesnt help). Going back to 362.00 makes g-sync works again

Bios version 1.05.09
KBC/EC 1.05.03

 

Wrong, I have a G-Sync Screen and these drivers. I know I have a diff. laptop but I believe our screens are the same:

 

No issues with Nvidia 364.47 drivers on my P770DM-G. G-Sync is fine.
It would be interesting to hear if there are only issues with the 15" model.

 

p750dm-g

 

This is the same bag I have, I can't say enough amazing things about it. Yeah its not the cheapest but boy do you get what you pay for.

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It would be interesting for you two to compare system and vbios versions.

 

My 750DM-G also lose G-sync with latest 364 driver. Prema vbios v2.

 

my GeForce GTX 980 is a desktop class one so the VBIOS would be different as he has the 980M

 

Hey, ive updated my previous post. I was updating EC and Bios a month ago (not Prema, got it from my retailer but its still newer bios than stock) so maybe thats why we got no g-sync option with newest drivers:

ME FW: 11.0.0.1194 (stock bios was 11.0.0.1168)
Bios version 1.05.09 (stock 1.05.01)
KBC/EC 1.05.03 (stock 1.05.01)

My Vbios is the single thing that didnt changed here (since i was not updating vga bios) , 84.04.67.00.0E (980M with 08/10/15)

CPU-Z reads my Bios as P775DM-G if i remember correctly

 

Does Clevo have any plans at all on updating their terribly locked down mobo BIOS? Maybe I'm just spoiled by my previous UEFI, but it's honestly crazy that these machines are as limited as they are (considering who they are marketed to).

I've already downloaded Prema vBios and will flash soon, but I'd like to have options for CPU/RAM clocks and voltages, hardware disabling, just the basics. I really wish they'd dump this (sorry) legacy BIOS for a more featureful UEFI implementation.

 

Due to the sensitive nature of a notebook design in terms of thermals and power limits the settings are deliberately the way they are, they used to be more open but a lot of returns for people breaking them started happening.

Nearly all notebook BIOS menus are like this.

 

Hi _EP_

Our NVIDIA contact suggests to try the latest 364.51 BETA driver. This new version is supposed to fix the issues with 364.47.
Please report back whether or not your G-SYNC is working with 364.51 BETA. Thank you! Much obliged!