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Thanks for help but it didnt work, tried two full clean installs with reboot after each. 362.00 is the last one with working G-Sync. ive got same 15,6" LG screen everyone else got.

 

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What was talked about? Well likely at least 2 items were surely talked about
OLED displays, and Nvidia Pascal

 

Take the text with a pinch of salt! Those of us in hourly contact with Clevo will read the notice quite differently to who the text is aimed at (potential new business customers, not end user).

But this might also be a good opportunity to discuss a couple of different topics "Requests from the community" or something.

If you have a small number of topics that you would like us to discuss with Clevo at this event feel free to send an email to forum @ mysn.de with the subject line "Clevo Topic". Things like Pascal have been talked about for years, so I'm only asking for suggestions for features i.e. eGPU with/without dGPU and so on. Please just send a short list, no need for long text.......the most frequently mentioned topics will be forwarded to Clevo.

Thanks!

 

- standard 4K displays with G-Sync / FreeSync on all 17.3 inch notebooks
- We need to have AMD GPU offerings as well, manufacturer competition is a must
- Better upgradability support, don't use whitelisting in BIOS

 

Nvidia don't support free sync at the moment so AMD gpus are a must for that at the moment.

 

Well technically, mobile G-Sync operates the same as FreeSync. TCON support for variable VBLANK and PSR is all that's needed for either to work. Assuming you get a "G-Sync" compatible panel, it'll actually be FreeSync compatible as well

Hopefully it puts an end to this Nvidia BIOS cookie BS.

 

Now lets just hope AMD comes out with some good gpus in MXM form. And hope fully in the normal MXM size not the over sized 980 version or other non-standard shapes.

 

I'm fully aware that on mobile g-sync it's the same process but this is more a business/politics thing than technical.

 

-HDR displays
-eGPUs
-iGPU enabled for DMs manual switching.
-DX12 Multiadapter between iGPU,MXM dGPU and eGPU
- bigger and better keyboard for 17+ inchers

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So I just purchased one of these from a re-seller (Xidax Computers) and it'll be here Monday. I just wanted to take the time to introduce myself and ask how everyone is liking their's?

 

It is a fantastic piece of kit. With an i7 6700 non K + GTX 980M it is very capable at 1080p. To be fair so is the GTX 970M.

 

I got the 6700k and the 970m not the 980. I'm not a huge gamer so I kinda saw the 980m as a waste for me.

 

The 970M is no slouch either, I take it you are doing some pretty CPU intensive work?

 

I got it as a mobile build box. Something that I could take with me instead of having to ssh in to my desktop to edit source and compile. I'm also going back to school so it's for that also. I've been a Sager/Clevo fan since Alienware used to use them before Dell bought Alienware so I went looking specifically for a Sager/Clevo chassis when I decided to buy.

 

The nice thing is virtually every boutique PC builder in the US uses Sager/Clevo chassis' so finding someone that could get me the computer I wanted in the time frame I needed it wasn't hard. I figured Xidax were the new guys so I'd give them a shot. The price was right there with ordering directly from Sager and they could get it to me in the time I needed it so I'm pretty happy with ordering from them so far.

 

Thank you for you report. We forwarded your report to NVIDIA on thursday last week but have no feedback yet. We assume the next driver release will fix the issue though.

 

Well enjoy your machine

 

Hey guys I'm looking at pulling the trigger on the Clevo P750DM from xoticpc.
6600k, 980m 4k gsync etc.
I'm wondering if there are any design flaws I should know about?
I know with my current pc (P35xV3) lack of cooling ability and any future upgrades especially to the CPU and GPU even externally I have been disappointed in everything but the 3k screen and 980m. The 180w was a joke too and no unlocked controls. Build quality wasn't great either really.

What do I need? Self contained portable gaming and soon college and also going between me and my girlfriends place(she likes to watch me game and appreciates fine graphics haha )
It's also very important to me that I be as future proofed as I can afford. Which is why I am going with the skylake desktop socket and MXM.
Would it be better to get the i7 and the 970m instead of i5 980m? I plan to get the Razer Core when it comes out for using desktop GPU over Thunderbolt 3.
I like overclocking and have researched prema mod and it looks like the 970m can be overvolted and overclocked very high so it could get me atleast 30 frames at 4k right? Will it tide me over until eGPU and I would have the i7?
I'm not willing to compromise on the screen, 4k with gsync is awesome.
Again, I want to know any and all design flaws with the P750DM.
Thanks!

 

Actual design flaws: None. I've got the P770DM-G and aside from the rubberized coating being a real finger print magnet there aren't any design flaws. It's built very solidly, and it feels that way too in every aspect. Personally I wouldn't mind a USB slot on the rear but it's not particularly missed either.
The stock voltage for the processor is excessively high and you'll need to find your own sweet spot depending on the silicon you end up with. For my i7 that's around -120mV.
I'm not sure what you mean by the 180w being a joke, is that the ac adapter? I've got the 330w and it's a hell of a lump but it barely gets warm. Admittedly my OC is somewhat limited at the moment since currently the bios is still extremely locked down and XTU doesn't get around a few hard limits set there. Sometime Premamod bios will be available and that will all be a thing of the past. It's currently on a timed exclusive with a few vendors. If you want a real unlocked machine right now, you're limited to the vendors listed on his page. At least with XTU you can set memory timings and such.

For GPU overclocking, Premas VBIOS will entirely set you free and most of the cards are great clockers. I can't say how well xoticpc paste but that makes a world of difference, worst case is that you'll have to repaste yourself. That shouldn't invalidate your warranty provided you aren't using a liquid metal TIM and even then some vendors don't mind those.

In terms of future proofing, it's very hard to say right now. The gpu slot is a MXM 3.0b as I'm sure you know. The latest NVIDIA card (980 - "desktop") still uses the interface but it's oversized, at least to the point of fitting in the P750DM. I would expect Pascal and future generations to return to the original size but in honesty it's an expectation rather than a certainty.
Just as a point of interest it's also either unknown or under NDA as to if you'll be able to use the Thunderbolt 3 port on the P750DM for an external GPU. It's something I've been curious about but at the moment I plain don't have a need to.
As for the 970M running 4k games, with a decent overclock it will be roughly equivalent to a GTX770. Take a look at some benchmarks and decide how you feel about that. It won't have any issues with 1080p but with 4k 30fps is manageable with the right settings. Personally if you want gaming at 4k go for the 980M and i5. The i7 won't be as big a boon to FPS as a stronger stock GPU, and you might be able to push the i5 a little further in clock speed than the i7. I'd also bare in mind that the Razor will have a mobile CPU rather than desktop class, so while I understand the lightweight portability/powerhouse docking approach for some uses the desktop CPU in the P750DM will still be more powerful.

Hopefully that covers everything! Any other questions feel free to ask.

 

Thanks I got it today and so far I love it.

 

Just though I'd add here, the new Pascal series may still use the oversized card if they do a desktop/top-end equivalent as they're mostly confirmed to use GDDR5X. AMD is already on HBM though so they may come to the party with desktop level cards on the regular MXM form-factor. The amount of space the memory takes up on the MXM card is actually quite significant (including necessary power delivery/connections etc). Perhaps a Pascal revision may bring HBM to the party on the Nvidia side (apparently the new Titan will use it but they probably won't do a mobile titan for cost reasons).

Also clearing up here, eGPU will work on the P700 series but only under a full dedicated setup at the moment (ie. you need to plug an external display in as well). You'll have to manually swap cards without a smooth transition and the internal display will only be driven by the MXM gpu still.

In order to do a nice plug and play setup (selectable GPUs, eGPU driving internal display etc) it'll need the BIOS to support a modified Optimus/DxHybrid mode which is currently not in the P700 for obvious reasons. Similarly it'll need a relevant NVidia driver to support NV->NV framebuffer copies. Currently it only supports NV->Intel via Optimus. AMD have already got a driver (ie X-Connect) which supports AMD->AMD and AMD->Intel so future AMD MXM cards will also be an option.

The Razer stealth will suffer badly due to the use of the ULV processor. It's already a known bottleneck on the Broadwell AW13 with graphics amp (which is basically a proprietary PCIE extender).

 

15" and 4k ? Personally I dont see the point in that. I know I know, its personal preference in the end.

You could get the 17" with 980 desktop version (without the m) but it costs a lot

 

Ah that's very interesting. I didn't realise there already was some sort of support. Just as a curiosity with the standard BIOS is there an option there if a eGPU is attached that will allow changing to a dedicated external set-up otherwise how would you select either GPU or are you saying that both the eGPU and MXM will be active independently?
So as I understand it this modified BIOS would need to allow thunderbolt to fill the MXM framebuffer to push to the eDP display. Where does the iGPU fit in to this or have I underestimated just how modified an Optimus setup you're talking about ? i.e "Optimus" in the sense that frame buffers are shared between MXM and eGPU rather than the iGPU being anywhere near anything. I wasn't aware the the iGPU could be activated in any sense, which is a bit of shame as it seems to mean missing out using wireless displays, though that may well be more a quirk of my TV rather than anything else.

I have no idea where I got this impression but I didn't think Clevo were still particularly interested in using AMD anymore? Whether that's a licensing agreement or simply a quirk of the current generation. Frankly I wasn't aware that a M295x MXM card existed until 5 minutes ago and even that's rather outdated. I haven't heard of any support for them from Clevo with anything current.

 

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Thanks for the reply!
I certainly do hope MXM 3.0 is utilized in the future! The desktop 980 Clevos are out of my price range, it would be a shame if future cards used that form factor.
Yea, I meant the 180w PSU sorry.
Just pulled up the 970m benchmarks, it doesnt look like it will pass muster too well. i5 6600k and 980m looks like the way to go. If only we could know what the future holds for MXM 3.0. Surely Nvidia wouldnt throw us under the bus?
I thought that current existing Thunderbolt 2.0 external gpu docking stations could be utilized by any laptop with a Thunderbolt 2 or 3 port? I wasnt interested in the Razer laptop, just the docking station, as I thought I had read it would be usable by any laptop with thunderbolt 3.0
EDIT Multi sorta ninjad by forgetting I didnt hit reply
Im a little worried now, if they really do use the 980 form factor (which makes sense in a way given the need for space) and if I cant plug in any other GPU externally without the hassle of a external screen too I may as well build a desktop and lug it around when needed.. ugh decisions

 

It would be a real shame, I'm sure they'll continue to use MXM 3.0b for a few generations, even the desktop 980s do. As for the form factor, continuation of the oversize seems unlikely for everything except desktop-class cards, to my knowledge there's no 15" design that can manage the oversize cards and I wouldn't expect them in the future since they're bulky and generate a lot of heat for a machine that size. I doubt they'd turn their back on that large a market segment.

Frankly even the 230w adapter would be adequate, if you're planning on pushing everything to the limit then go for the 330w. You'll hit thermal limits before having any power worries with that.

The i5 won't hold you back in anyway and in the future you may well be able to use Kaby Lake and even Cannon Lake so you've got another couple of CPU generations that you may be able to use.

@Stooj covered the current situation with eGPUs with much more knowledge on the topic than I have. In short currently there isn't currently a plug and play, hotswappable way of using an eGPU though they can be used as an independent GPU attached to a dedicated monitor. That may change in the future though frankly I'm a little skeptical it will ever come to fruition on this generation at least officially though I'd love to be proven wrong.

 

Greetings everyone, I am new to the Sager family with a NP9758-s with a 980m 8GB card, and I have a problem. For the newest NVIDIA driver (3/8/2016), on my NVIDIA control panel I do not see the option to set up g-sync, nor is it in any other place. When I revert to the 354.35 driver I can see the set up g-sync option. Also I can not overclock my monitor to anything above 63Hz in both drivers. Currently I am using the 354.35 driver

 

From what i understand the 15 inch models cant go beyond 63hz. Thats why i got the 17inch model

 

The latest driver that's confirmed to be working with G-Sync on that model is 362.00. Hopefully it'll be fixed in the next release but you're stuck with that one for now. As for overclocking that's about the limit on that screen, I don't think anyone has managed anything higher.

 

With a standard BIOS, each GPU will simply act independently. Much the same as if you install 2 GPUs into a desktop computer. The Thunderbolt3/USB3.1 is simply a mask for the fact it's just a PCIE connection as far as the system is concerned. Keep in mind, TB3 is just offering a generic PCIE extender at the end of the day. You could stick a network card, or TV tuner or whatever else in there which operates independently.

The transfer of framebuffer info is done entirely in the PCIE bus. It's a software thing, not hardware, which many people are not aware of. The iGPU can theoretically be used in the P700 if the BIOS enabled it. However it would have to operate in a "reverse-Optimus" setup which is only supported in Linux as far as I'm aware. Reverse-Optimus does exactly as it implies, copying the iGPU frame-buffer over to the Nvidia dGPU frame-buffer. This is basically useless though since there's no practical reason to copy a lower performance iGPU frame-buffer to a faster GPU that's already on. You lack the power-saving ability of putting the dGPU into PCIE Sleep (which is where the power saving really comes from in Optimus setups).

For most existing Optimus laptops or Ultrabooks, this shouldn't be a problem (might need some extra tweaking, not sure how easily the existing code deals with more than 1 dGPU). They already have the Optimus/Hybrid availability in the BIOS. This even includes systems which already have a dGPU involved (such as the XPS 15). The likely result will be that you simply get an "extra" GPU option to choose from.

The P700 is a bit unique in that it's one of very few systems with Thunderbolt, but with dGPU only. Transferring into the dGPU framebuffer needs to be allowed at a driver level as well, which is why it's only ever worked in Linux with the open source driver.

Side-note: WiDi is software as well. It's Intel Proprietary so no surprises there.

I suspect it's simply that AMD did not have any competitive products. Unlike desktop GPUs, the MXM cards are typically manufactured by the ODM themselves. So Clevo probably would not take on the cost of making the cards if they weren't going to sell. Unlike desktop where the importance of power consumption isn't as high (hence why AMD rebadges simply clocked higher and higher with larger TDPs) the mobile equivalents just couldn't stand anywhere near the Maxwell cards.

EDIT:

On a site-note. eGPU implementations over TB3 will also work on desktops. This could open up the possibility of having super small PCs (think NUC) and attaching a separate GPU to it for a power boost. In theses cases I suspect you could even use an MXM based external GPU for something a bit more portable than a full GPU.

 

After many pages of reading, and much deliberation, I ordered a P770DM-G a week and a half back. It will arrive Thursday evening. The wait is almost painful.

 

I understand your situation. I will be getting mine a day earlier than yours. Hoping ill love it as its the first 17inch laptop i will own. If only the 750dm screens could be oced above 80fps

 

My Clevo M570RU is dying, and i'm almost decided to buy a Clevo P751DM-G to replace it, but i have some questions.
- There are differences between panels with and without G-SYNC (1080p)?
- Is there any problem to have an operating system in NVMe and other in AHCI/SATA? (I want to buy a Samsung 951 to install but i have a OCZ Agility 3 where i want to install Linux)
- Is G-Sync worth it?
- i6700k is worth it with a 30€/$35 difference (of i6700)?
- There is any prema bios predictions for this model?

Specs that i am thinking:
1920x1080p panel
Intel i7 6700k
16GB DDR4 Kingston HyperX 2400Mhz
Nvidia GTX 970M
Samsung SM951 256GB NVMe (Windows 7/10)
OCZ Agility 3 (Mint Linux)
Seagate Momentus 500GB 7200rpm
Intel AC 8260

 

AFAIK the LG panel is the same. The only change is the inclusion of the BIOS cookie to allow G-Sync to function. However, there may be some AUO panels floating around for the non-G-Sync variant.

In reality, choose whether you want G-Sync or not. I would NOT rely on any kind of upgrade-ability down the track. This "may" change with AMD Polaris as the implication is Freesync will work as long as the panel has a PSR TCON (which the LG does).

No problems here. I have Win10 Enterprise installed on my 950 Pro.
Then I have LinuxMint installed on my Crucial MX100 (2.5" SATA).

Both are EFI installations with separate EFI boot partitions. Rather than using GRUB I simply use the BIOS boot shortcut to select OS on bootup. Much simpler than dealing with bootloaders, especially if you swap distros a lot or want more than 2 OS at once.

Depends. To me it definitely is. I have a 24" 1080p G-Sync panel on my desktop and it's awesome. The lack of tearing is an unsung hero (you really don't notice it until you don't have it) and the added smoothness at lower framerates is a godsend for high end titles that are pushing that 40-50fps mark. If you're speccing a 970M I'd highly recommend it as you may find yourself in that low framerate department with some titles (Witcher3 and The Division come to mind).

For $35 in a X thousand dollar laptop I'd get it. Most people can't really overclock much out of the 15" chassis. The 6700K does come with a significant base clock increase though, so it's not as simple as "Overclocking? Yes/No" like previous K series.

No idea. There's VBIOS mods available which help immensely though.

 

What is better, DDR4 2133 CL13 or DDR4 2400 CL14?
Have anyone tried the G.SKILL 2800 CL15?

 

Yes, the Prema Mod for this model is available if the system is purchased through one of the Partner Shops...

 

Hi guys. I saw in Prema's post here that there is a Bios version for AUO 4K screen for the P770-DM. Can I clarify if the P770-DM can or cannot use the AUO 4K screen? If I do get the laptop it would be from Eurocom btw.

Hadriel

 

Is there any driver that is not needed to install in Windows 10?
1- Chipset
2- Nvidia Drivers (Should i download from nvidia, and what version for P75xDM-G with 970M?)
3- Card Reader
4- Touchpad
5- Lan Drivers
6- Airplane
7- Control Center
8- Intel Management Engine Driver
9- Thunderbolt
10- Audio Drivers
11- Realtek Drivers
12- Intel 8260 Driver
13- Fingerprint Driver
14- Soundblaster Driver
15- Intel Rapid Storage

Is this the right order?

EDIT: Control Center and Audio Drivers from Clevo website are corrupted, is this normal?

 

Is it not possible to purchase from you directly?

 

Very nice! You've got it in your hands now, eh? What are your impressions? Yeah, I'm a big fan of the screen's oc capabilities. The biggest thing I've been on the fence about is that mxm slot; here's hoping I won't regret the purchase (and also that we get more info from nvidia on April 4th-7th).

 

1 hour with my new machine and i seem to be falling in love with it. the screen is magnificent i am able to oc it to 100hz but when i alt tab from dota 2, 2 purple lines appear but disappears immediately but at 90hz it does not show. so i am keeping it at 90 hz. the keyboard seem to be catching so much oil. I dont know if its me or its the keyboard but i am coming from a 6 hour flight from LA to Maryland. the speakers are really really nice! the machine is really heavy and i bought a vindicator 17 and it fits nicely. I only get 2hours and 30min on a single charge thats with battery saving mode on. I like the tactile feel of the keyboard too. will be adding the mechanical hard drive later too and i want to do a cleaninstall of windows 10 if i find a usb laying around so i could create a bootable usb drive. anyone know if the calibration phoenix posted will work ok with this machine? http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-spyder5pro-calibration-profile.785252/page-4
Model LP173WF4-SPD1 this is my model. the ending digits are different, do you guys think it will work?

all in all this is a great machine. Will run more tests and hopefully it wont go bad on me else i have to ship it back. also any idea on how to check for bleeding?

 

using it now. about to go to bed but i cant seem to close the lid of my new pc LOL

 

So do any of you Sager or XMG guys have any insight into changing the Bootlogo? It's been awhile since I used a Windows PC and not to mention one I wanted to customize. I also need to know the size to make the image I plan to use.

 

So no modded Bios for non partner purchased units? I can understand that. Sucks for some of us but I get it.

 

There is an AMI Change logo tool, v5 or something that works. But make sure you only backup you BIOS section and nothing else. And flash using FPT.

 

I add people (who make the effort to PM me) to a list and help them whenever I find the extra time to do so. Don't even have the time to read the forums these days...

 

Oh mannnn! This is the best, most solid laptop I have ever owned. Quality blows my msi GT72 out of the water. The backlight has great brightness levels and is clear and even Keyboard feel is perfect. No flex under normal (or excitedly typing) conditions; head and shoulders above the janky one I had on my NP9170 back in '12. Zero missed keystrokes. I'm in love. The screen oc'd to 100hz, I set it at 75 and am content. Watching HTWingnut's video on undervolting right now while all my programs install/drivers update. Yesssss.

 

Always getting above the 60hz mark is nice. Good to know that the option for 100hz is there though.

 

@Prema so does this mean that your modded bios will not be released for folks who purchased from a non-partner reseller? Or do you plan to release it to the public 'eventually' ?

Bummer, I'd assumed the latter, otherwise I may have gone with a different reseller. As it is, the reseller I purchased from (PowerNotebooks) closed its doors a couple of months after my purchase. I'm nervous about what that means for warranty support, particularly because I bought an extended one. Bad timing.

Also, on another subject, I'm running nvidia 364.51, and GSYNC on the laptop's display is no longer an option. Will revert to 362.00 and report back.

 

Yup, rolling back to 362.00 restored my G-Sync on the laptop's panel..

 

I only finished the P7xxDM-G Mod this week, most Partner Shops are even still waiting to receive it...

Sager as importer for PowerNotebooks should honor your warranty.