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The full picture about upgrades usually emerges 2-3 months after a launch.

 

That makes sense, its just so hard to be patient especially if the developement has been pretty bad so far.

Looks like my next upgrade is leaning more towards a full system upgrade instead of a gpu upgrade... really don't have the money for that though Anyone know of a reseller that offer good trade-in deals? or would straight out sell my machine myself be better?

 

probably stupid question but i'm not @ home right now and playing some WoW on my book, i have magic prema bios but i noticed something very weird and i guess it's due to the Clevo Control Center. I always use Balanced profile but somehow it only let my CPU run at 3.9Ghz (no throttling) but if i set it to High Performance my full 4.4Ghz (testing right now) get's applied (with no throttling ofc)

edit: oh and yeah i already tried to set 100% on my cpu on balanced and it maxes out at 4ghz there

 

I don't the 6700K (have the non K version) but I have noticed similar limits when changing from performance/balance/power saver profiles. I'm not sure but throttlestop can probably get around that. I just leave mine on performance and use throttlestop if i really need to lower power draw at the expense of performance and if I go on battery the system automatically throttles down anyway.

 

i looked around a bit and i think thats the actual throttle @godfafa_kr was talking about most of the time, cause according to HWInfo i have

IA: Electrical Design Point/Other (ICCmax,PL4,SVID,DDR RAPL) and RING: Max VR Voltage, ICCmax, PL4 as limit reasons.

The first one sounds like a hardware limitation on the Mainboard, i think the P870DM users got a fix for that with @Prema EC Firmware, dunno tho if that's available for my NB tho

 

Just thought that I would toss this out here folks, that RJTech has listed the 1060, 1070 and 1080 MXM video cards on their site. They only listed compatibility on the Clevo P750DM2 and up. I guess that confirms for those of us with the older P750DM laptops that we can't use the newer cards, at least not from Clevo.
I guess I can try emailing them on this for confirmation, but also that they can post some photos of the MXM cards, for nothing else so I can try seeing just what the heck Clevo changed in the layout of their new cards that I can't try jamming a 1070 card in my laptop!
Maybe someone can eventually figure out why electronically they aren't supposed to work? Is it voltage? Amperage? Can't be heat management reasons could it? Or just a greedy way to get more people to keep replacing their laptops every year?

 

its....

- form factor (1060, 1070 and 1080 from clevo all sport the same huge physical size), if u wanna fit that into a previous model ull have to dremel....HARD
- powah (external power connector necessary, which most previous models dont have)

and even if u dremel your way through the innards of your poor maxwell machine and laugh the external power connector off as a fake ngreedia gimmick, ud still be left with an incompatible EC (embedded controller) that wouldnt accept the pascal card on a maxwell board....

on the bright side: theres still some hope left with @Prema mentioning Clevo would stick to the current mxm form factor from here on out

 

I just got a response back from RJTech and they confirmed that the newer cards from Clevo require a power connector to run the graphics card.
I remember discussion of trying to mod the P750DM and even the ZM to provide that power connector to run the desktop 980 MXM card.
If not trying to soldering a new power connector to the motherboard, I wonder if anyone could create a small chassis to fit the 1080 MXM to adapt it to a thunderbolt connection that we could use? Brands like Razer have a chassis for full size GPUs on thunderbolt, why not something more compact with these MXM cards?
Btw any one care to elaborate as to why it seems that the 1070 from MSI doesn't seem to require a power connector to run the card so it can be used in the P750DM?

 

This time the MXM3.0b standard is dead, only 1060 is that size only one spotted that too QS and from MSI, the 1070 uses the 980 MSI odd shape, It has this absurd tab on the side of card making it impossible to work with the fixed chassis like the ZM and DM old machines and other MXM3.0b machines, Also there are more restrictions as Jaybee said Have a look at this thread -> Clevo Pascal refresh @T|I & there are many threads regarding this massive anti consumer push this time - ( MXM upgrade thread, MSI MXM update promise, Clevo Subforum thread)

 

Thanks, I'll check out those discussions.
It took me quite a few paychecks to save up for the P750DM-G barebones unit from RJTech, I really don't have the budget to change laptops to a newer revision, I also ditched my old laptop and even my desktop computer going this route. The only good thing would be that I could move most of my parts, like my cpu and such upgrading to a newer laptop....
But then again, I'm not even convinced that I even Need to upgrade. Everything that I play so far has been at 1080p still and runs quite well on my laptop as it is.
Maybe once I find a game that will eventually show gains from a newer better card, and I actually decide to go 4K, I'll just get that Razer Core thunderbolt chassis and just run a desktop 1080 card from EVGA or something. Of course just like trying to force a MSI card to work inside my P750DM, I guess I'll wait for reports of it actually working, or how difficult it may be to get it to work before I drop $500 on a empty thunderbolt chassis and another $500 on a decent GPU, although I can always test it using my existing GPUs from my old desktop.
Ugh! Why can't MXM be just like installing a gpu on your desktop!
I did try installing water blocks on one of my old laptops years ago just to say that I water cooled my laptop......

 

No one was expecting the 8 pin on all. 4 pin is more manageable. But the msi 1070 doesn't require the extra connector, but you'd have to mod the area between the cpu and gpu to fit the overhang, the part above the fan that separates the card area from the m.2 area for the little outcrop, get modified firmware, most likely, to accept it, etc... That's a lot for little return. Selling is about the best way to recoup money and move forward IFF Clevo does stick with this design. This new design could fit the Volta chip with the die and hbm on it, so I don't know why they'd change it again...

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I guess I will start saving up to make the free space on my credit card, to be quite honest the Razer Core does not sound like quite as nice as getting a good gpu in your laptop...
Ugh, I'm not ready to replace my laptop just now, although I Do know someone who would like my laptop, thankfully I have two CPUs and a small mountain of DDR4 memory that I have been messing around with....

 

Different model. but same predicament - http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/anyone-else-disappointed.795318/ if you're interested..

 

Oyah, I really love how these laptops are put together, how so many things are similar, but different, with desktop computers. Same for server hardware too.
My P750DM is my second desktop cpu laptop, my first being my Clevo D900F. I actually ran that one as a server until the screws and springs that mount the heat sink to the motherboard finally worn off and Might have burnt out the motherboard. I really loved that laptop and just how much of a heavy duty tank it was. I think I tried about 3 different video cards in it, to include a Radeon card! I wonder when they stopped making Radeon MXM cards....

 

Well the last hope for all of us is that AMD should be making a new MXM card according to Prema.. It won't be at a 1079/1080 level but above a 1060 hopefully..

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I'm a die hard Nvidia fan just as much of a Clevo fan...
But at the rate things are going, if AMD releases a Radeon MXM card that's somewhere between a 1060 and 1070, reasonably priced, fairly available for purchase at different retailers and of course compatible with our laptops, then I'd buy it!

 

Anyone know where i find a PremaMod bios for P771DM-G?

 

If you don't purchased your machine from an @Prema partner, you haven't access to the mod bios. But take a peak into this thread http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/prema-gift-donations-thread.793580/page-28#post-10328333 But hurry up!!

 

That's a lot of asks I do hope AMD bounce back through.

 

Same here, hope they do so here too.. Seems all is lost for us old MXM 3.0B laptop owners..

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Well some of them you should be able to be creative with for now.

 

As meaker said, you've got some to play with if willing to mod. The msi 1070 is the obvious choice. A new one recently disclosed is the MSI 1080 SLI version. This is similar to the 130W 980s, so don't expect a full bore 1080...

Notes on this - you must be willing to have a custom heatsink fabricated. They moved the power phases, etc. Toward the mxm slot and the die toward the top. I haven't seen a heatsink that really works with this. Next, I don't know how this will work compared on heat and overclock to the msi 1070 full, which will also fit.

If you want a 1060, your not even trying...

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Nvidia have not supported 1060 sli on the desktop so no idea if that will work with mobile either in the larger machines.

 

I hear you. Only reason I mentioned SLI is the MSI 1080 card that supports it has the same pcb shape as the msi 1070, the best hope for an upgrade in the P7xxxM models, if you are willing to cut down the centre dividing plastic and a little near the place where the SSD goes above the fan for the extrusion...

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There is a good reason that a lot of cards are the same shape as designing PCBs and validating them is not cheap!

 

Hi. I have lately run into problems with my clevo and hope someone could help. Did not find answer on google nor in these threads.
I want to find diagnosis, i don't want to go to warranty YET.
Problem: my clevo p771dm-g (6700k/980m) shuts down (by that i mean charger shuts down, green LED goes out on it, have to disconnect and reconnect to the wall socket) unexpectedly from time to time.
It can work fine for days and then start doing
it repeatedly. By repeatedly i mean seconds after login screen to win10 comes up. Then i'll cry in the corner for a few days and don't play
and it works again....not always. (first two times, system restore seemed to help and funny thing was, that logging in with the other win account helped). If somehow i can get into windows then low performance apps work fine. Only video card and or charger
symbiosis play a role here. Have tried extensive processor tests (xtu), no problems there. I use it under different climate conditions
temperature wise, seems to be of impact to the charger, am not sure.
Now, before the elementary answers.......... my temps are fine ALWAYS. Fan starts working at 60cc and temps usually do not go over 60c
Have gotten dgpu temps way higher (80c), while being in a cooler enviroment with no problems. CPU and GPU temps are NOT the problem.
Problem seems to be in a spike of voltage coming from dgpu. I don't use battery, in rare cases i use, pc does not shut down, but the charger does. Although i've had intel xtu and msi afterburner with monitoring installed, ONLY thing i have ever changed was undervolt cpu -150mv, but even that should not matter because problems occured after uninstalling every one of these programs. At some point pc worked for a 20 days
with no hiccups, after i upgraded nvidia drivers but 20 days was it, so the problem could not have been the drivers. At first i thought it was software problem, no i don't think so. Have checked extensively for viruses. HELP.

 

Does this happen in different buildings? It could be poor mains supply tripping the brick.

With the power light going off either the input is bad, the brick is getting hot or it's shorting out.

 

Yes, different buildings, different countries. But the "brick", (and i have tried touching it with hands), has had variable temps. I mean sometimes,
this happens, it's been hot (the "brick" itself) but most of the time, cool.

Oh, and in desperation i installed Premas, 980m-g vbios. Hoping it could do the trick, but nothing
changed and i worry now, that if i will go to warranty, they might dismiss the repairs. I forgot
to do the dump with gpu-z. Could
someone send me original p771dm-g vbios?

 

will send you the original bios soon. 980M Gsync

Edit: here you go pal bundled with easy .bat using premas nvflash, LINK

 

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And don't forget to rep @unclewebb

 

This is the third place I've seen this posted! Trying to get your name out there?

Edit: I'm up to 4 or 5 now! Good work on repping unclewebb!!!

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It was only ever a small fraction of the enthusiasts who did actually swap out cards, it's not their fault if it's not important to them. However keeping up the call is not going to hurt the chances of something happening.

 

I guess it's our fault for having desktop computer expectations for a laptop computer. I really do love my P750DM, I really do wish I can replace its GPU with a newer one, but I will be in no hurry to replace it with a newer model, unless I can manage to win the powerball or something.

 

After using p775dm3 for about a month, I think this machine is too hot and too noisy.

The max temps on hwmoitor or whatever of cpu and gpu are decent for me. But after playing games for a couple of hours, the keyboard is so hot that I really dont want to put my hands and wrist on it. The center and right portion of keyboard is hotter than most laptop I've experienced. For sure it is hotter than p750zm, p770zm and p750dmg.
I have not even used any of m2 or memory slots that are placed under keyboard.

The noise part. I am a person who is very tolerant about noise since I like OC for reallife 24 7 use not for bench only OC.
Since the gpu 1080 is consuming more than 190w, this huge amount of heat would be hard to control. So I understand why clevo had put this large noisy fan for the gpu.
The gpu temp of most laptops I've used didn't go higher than 80C but this one always go over 80C and this as a result produces so much noise.

My wife once asked me while making foods in the kitchen.
"Honey why dont you turn off fan? Isnt it cold?"
Yeah she was referring to the real fan. She lived with me who love laptop for 12 years but never said this.

I just think 1080 is too much for laptop for now. If you use external keyboard and a headphone no problemo.

 

So eurocom made a video of using a 1070 in an older 870dm. I commented on the video and they said basically swapping out the gpu for the 770dm will be the same process as the vid they posted.

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So long as the dimentions of the card fit it's likely to be yes.

 

I don't know what to say about the heat, but in regards to the noise, if you don't mind trying some different fans, you may want to keep an eye out for @bsch3r's posts - http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...oenix-2-is-here.794530/page-480#post-10354382

I *think* the P775DM3 should have similar fans as the P870DM2/P870DM3. If it does, then if this would be something that works depends on if you want to go down the road of 'tinkering'.

Good luck.

 

Question : would there be any way (besides the obvious possible labels and such) to absolutely identify if a Clevo P-750DM Laptop is a G-sync or a NON-G-sync ? I have 2 Barebones 750DM Laptops that have no main components (NO CPU, NO GPU, NO HDD, NO RAM), and NO signifying labels in regards to G-sync. Each laptop is Brand New in factory box. Both laptops are labeled on box as : LGA 1151 / both are Thunderbolt USB-C units
1 BLACK : (box reads) EDP/T PM/FP
LCD : T 15.6" (UHD/PLS)/EDP Matte
1 BLACK : (box reads) LVDS/T PM/FP
LCD : T 15.6" (FHD) Matte
Both boxes contain a Chicory 230w PSU, both boxes contain standard Clevo Manuals (along with the normal small thermal paste tubes, HDD shims, extra caddy screws etc). Each multi-lingual manual has a detailed section on G-Sync, but these are Clevo generic manuals for the P-750DM (blue & white manual booklet) that comes standard with all Clevo 750DM units, and simply covers all various aspects of this model laptop. Wondering if there would be anything internally (under the hood) that may help specifically indicate if each laptop is either a G-sync or NON-G-sync, as it is my understanding that a G-sync unit requires a specific GPU(Nvidia) card, as well as a specific compatible display type. Thus I am in need of trying to determine somehow if these 2 laptops are either G-sync or NON-G-sync, so that I can purchase the absolute correct components, and also make sure the vBios is correct (and also the obvious need to know for reference simply to be certain which specific model type units they are before spending any $$ / time to configure them). Any help (beyond the obvious) would be most appreciated. BTW, yes, I have tried contacting/phoning/emailing Clevo more than half a dozen times using all available U.S. & overseas contact info, however they never contacted me back via email, and the U.S. phone numbers seem useless. Also I contacted a few third party U.S. sellers to see if they could help, but to no avail. Thanks All !

 

No GPU == No GSync. For G-Sync to work on your laptop's display, you need to know the laptop's LCD make and model, AND a GSync enabled GPU. Without the GPU, there's no GSync.

 

Yes, these are obvious things that I already know, as indicated in my original post. BTW, there is no GPU because it is a "barebones" unit (not quite sure if you are familiar with that term or what that means). Anyway, thank you for your attempt to help me out, very much appreciated.

 

With the right card (from a G-sync display), system bios and panel you could swap.

 

I understand what you are suggesting, however first I was hoping to ascertain which particular version each laptop is without having to start ripping anything apart needlessly. Thought there might possibly be some kind of simpler significant identifier (besides taking each panel off) that would quickly indicate which exact version (gsync or non-gsync) each of these units is. Thanks

 

@chezzzz my P750DM-G box sticker says "Model P750DM-G" right under the S/N sticker. The "-G" indicates it is the G-Sync model.

 

To tell at a glance whether a system has G-Sync is a simple as launching NVIDIA Control Panel. If you see a menu item for G-Sync it has it. If you do not see a menu item for G-Sync, then it does not. Of course, if you are buying a barebones unit you're going to have to purchase the right GPU(s), have the correct system BIOS as well as the correct display panel. They cannot market barebones as "G-Sync" unless it includes everything necessary for it, in which case it would not actually be a barebones system in the strictest sense of the word.

Indeed... if it has -G at the end of the model name, it has G-Sync.

 

@chezzzz the one in the box that has the LVDS panel definitely does not have G-Sync. The one with the UHD PLS eDP screen might be G-Sync.

 

Thank you all for your friendly input and advice, it is most helpful. Both of these P-750DM units were purchased by me thru a longtime vendor (parts distributor) that I have used over the years for builds I have done, and he is very good and quite trustworthy. Unfortunately he does not have a clue about these units beyond what is printed on each factory box. Nonetheless I purchased them at a very good / very reasonable fair price which is why I took a chance on them. I will do my best to try to figure this out before purchasing any specific components. Thanks again All !

 

Just out of curiosity, and if anyone happens to possibly know, what would be an obvious distinguishing physical characteristic (viewable to the naked eye) in terms of a built-in (or replacement) display panel for a gsync laptop vs a non-gsync laptop ? naturally I am asking about a display panel that is not powered on.

 

@Prema can explain this more eloquently than I can, but the short answer is: None whatsoever. There is no such thing as a G-sync panel. G-sync is a proprietary NVIDIA software technology that has to be licensed and a ransom fee must be paid to have it. Laptops with G-sync have no extra hardware for G-sync other than a resistor on the GPU(s) that acts kind of like a key or identifier. Their physical characteristics are 100% identical to one that is not a G-sync panel. It's nothing more than a licensing scam/gimmick/extortion scheme from the Green Goblin. They pulled some similar crap with 3DVision software technology, although there were some hardware requirements for 3DVision (unlike G-stink).

A G-Sync laptop display is exactly the same as a non-G display. It is a matter of the brand and model/hardware ID being "approved" by NVIDIA and fees paid for the licensing, then it gets added to their whitelist of panels that allow G-sync software features to kick in. For example, the P870DM-G equipped with a 4K panel did not have G-sync initially. Once that panel got approved G-sync became functional (along with a BIOS update that included proprietary code to turn it on). But, it was exactly the same panel before and after. G-sync could instantly starting work for everyone regardless of their display panel or GeForce GPUs if NGREEDIA wanted it to be available for everyone.