The Notebook Review forums were hosted by TechTarget, who shut down them down on January 31, 2022. This static read-only archive was pulled by NBR forum users between January 20 and January 31, 2022, in an effort to make sure that the valuable technical information that had been posted on the forums is preserved. For current discussions, many NBR forum users moved over to NotebookTalk.net after the shutdown.
Problems? See this thread at archive.org.
← Previous pageNext page →

    *** Official Clevo P75xDM and P77xDM/Sager NP9758-G and NP9778-G "Batman 2.0" Owner's Lounge ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by ProFX, May 18, 2015.

  1. Papusan

    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

    Reputations:
    42,710
    Messages:
    29,842
    Likes Received:
    59,625
    Trophy Points:
    931
  2. bloodhawk

    bloodhawk Derailer of threads.

    Reputations:
    2,967
    Messages:
    5,851
    Likes Received:
    8,565
    Trophy Points:
    681
    Big performance difference. And a lotmof headroom with the latter.
     
  3. John Phillip Ramos

    John Phillip Ramos Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    5
    Messages:
    40
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Hahaha getting into the business of gaming laptop is giving me such headaches to the point where I am having nightmares of choosing between the friggin alienware or clevo p770 argh. Where can I buy gtx 1070 for soon replacement for the installed 980m on the clevo that I'm about to purchase?
     
  4. bloodhawk

    bloodhawk Derailer of threads.

    Reputations:
    2,967
    Messages:
    5,851
    Likes Received:
    8,565
    Trophy Points:
    681
    At the moment it is not easily possible. And AFAIK no one has tried it yet. Plus the costs are not worth it.
    Might as well just get the newer system with a 1070 in it.
     
  5. John Phillip Ramos

    John Phillip Ramos Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    5
    Messages:
    40
    Likes Received:
    2
    Trophy Points:
    16
    BUT the newer systems (Sager for example) with the 1070 gpus has the 6700hq processor again (at least from our country, Philippines)

    EDIT: If given the chance to just earn the money for another clevo with a 6700hq processor but with gtx 1070, would it be a better upgrade than the 6700k with 980m?
     
    Last edited: Jan 2, 2017
  6. Buzzbugs

    Buzzbugs Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    17
    Likes Received:
    9
    Trophy Points:
    6
    Hello everyone,

    I have a Batman 2.0 (Metabox P750DM). I was wondering about buying parts for the laptop. Specifically; the headphone jack on the right side. The plastic circular piece that holds the 3.5mm cable has cracked a piece off, so it doesn't firmly hold what I plug in anymore. Is there a resource somewhere online I can buy this part? Was wondering also if this would be a repair I could do myself without too much trouble?

    Metabox offered to do it for me for freight, handling, and repair fees. But I would like to save some money and do it myself if possible. Also I don't like the idea of sending my whole machine away for a week for such a minor repair. Advice appreciated, thank you :)
     
  7. TomJGX

    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

    Reputations:
    1,456
    Messages:
    8,707
    Likes Received:
    3,315
    Trophy Points:
    431
    Still a better option then a 6700hq and 980M... Not the best, but better..

    Sent from my LG-H850 using Tapatalk
     
  8. Luka Stemberger

    Luka Stemberger Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    32
    Likes Received:
    27
    Trophy Points:
    26
    Hey guys, I've been looking around for any news on upgrading the graphics in my laptop... Should I give up on getting a 1080 or similar mxm card in this laptop? My 980M is still great, would just be nice to have a bump up in Premiere/After Effects...

    Thanks!
     
  9. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

    Reputations:
    9,431
    Messages:
    58,189
    Likes Received:
    17,897
    Trophy Points:
    931
    There is nothing particularly easy at the moment.
     
  10. tbhuy2311

    tbhuy2311 Newbie

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    6
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
    Hi guys,
    I want to buy a p771dm-g with a gtx 970m.
    I would like to know if the laptop can work without the mxm card? I'm not gaming for a while, and I consider to sell it for some upgrade.
    Thanks
     
  11. dzpliu

    dzpliu Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    62
    Messages:
    257
    Likes Received:
    346
    Trophy Points:
    76
    Nope. But you can buy a cheaper mxm card to use. Example, gtx 560m, K3000M, M600M, etc.
     
  12. tbhuy2311

    tbhuy2311 Newbie

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    6
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
    Do we need to flash the vbios in this case?
    Or can I use a non working card?
     
  13. dzpliu

    dzpliu Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    62
    Messages:
    257
    Likes Received:
    346
    Trophy Points:
    76
    Some Quadro cards require vbios flash, but most Geforce GTX cards are plug & play ( requires modified INF and might not support uefi boot )
     
  14. TomJGX

    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

    Reputations:
    1,456
    Messages:
    8,707
    Likes Received:
    3,315
    Trophy Points:
    431
    Its not worth it.. Don't buy the laptop if your going to do that.. Honestly, pretty dumb.. The 970M won't get cheaper when you want to get it again.. 9 series cards are getting hard to find so price will stay the same or even increase!

    Sent from my LG-H850 using Tapatalk
     
  15. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

    Reputations:
    9,431
    Messages:
    58,189
    Likes Received:
    17,897
    Trophy Points:
    931
    Yes MXM cards do a shallow smile in terms of price starting high, dipping slightly maybe as a new card is released and then going back up.
     
  16. tbhuy2311

    tbhuy2311 Newbie

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    6
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    5
    Thank you all for your replies.
    I've a good offer for a 7700k, have the P771DM1-G supported yet this cpu?
     
  17. jaybee83

    jaybee83 Biotech-Doc

    Reputations:
    4,125
    Messages:
    11,571
    Likes Received:
    9,149
    Trophy Points:
    931
    in theory, yes. in real life, not yet, havent seen bios upgrades for maxwell DM series machines.
     
    dzpliu likes this.
  18. dzpliu

    dzpliu Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    62
    Messages:
    257
    Likes Received:
    346
    Trophy Points:
    76
    I don't think kabylake is usable yet.
    No newer bios update, clevo gave up support for old machines :)
     
  19. jaybee83

    jaybee83 Biotech-Doc

    Reputations:
    4,125
    Messages:
    11,571
    Likes Received:
    9,149
    Trophy Points:
    931
    some vendors like XMG or Eurocom are thinking about releasing updated Bios versions for kaby lake on the DM maxwell machines. nothing is for sure yet, though. so speak up and make them aware that there IS indeed demand for this! :)
     
    Papusan likes this.
  20. Buzzbugs

    Buzzbugs Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    17
    Likes Received:
    9
    Trophy Points:
    6
    Please help me understand :) I own a P750DM with a 980m what would a Bios update mean for me?
     
  21. jaybee83

    jaybee83 Biotech-Doc

    Reputations:
    4,125
    Messages:
    11,571
    Likes Received:
    9,149
    Trophy Points:
    931
    same config here (see my signature ;) )

    a bios update would mean that you could update your bios and then use a kaby lake cpu in your / my machine :) if you would install a kaby lake cpu right now, you would be stuck with a black screen :p
     
  22. Buzzbugs

    Buzzbugs Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    17
    Likes Received:
    9
    Trophy Points:
    6
    Oh okay, thanks :)
     
  23. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

    Reputations:
    9,431
    Messages:
    58,189
    Likes Received:
    17,897
    Trophy Points:
    931
    Not that Kaby lake is a huge improvement, it's more for the benchmark chasers ;)
     
    TomJGX likes this.
  24. Buzzbugs

    Buzzbugs Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    17
    Likes Received:
    9
    Trophy Points:
    6
    I'd imagine a GPU upgrade would be a more noticable improvement.
     
    TomJGX likes this.
  25. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

    Reputations:
    9,431
    Messages:
    58,189
    Likes Received:
    17,897
    Trophy Points:
    931
    That has always been the case and remains true.
     
  26. Mapl

    Mapl Notebook Guru

    Reputations:
    11
    Messages:
    74
    Likes Received:
    16
    Trophy Points:
    16
    I definetely would like to upgrade to kabylake for my p751dm-g. I need and want those extra percentages. With any luck it clocks higher also
     
    jaybee83 likes this.
  27. Buzzbugs

    Buzzbugs Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    17
    Likes Received:
    9
    Trophy Points:
    6
  28. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

    Reputations:
    9,431
    Messages:
    58,189
    Likes Received:
    17,897
    Trophy Points:
    931
    I use 2x8GB 3000mhz modules in my own machine.
     
  29. jaybee83

    jaybee83 Biotech-Doc

    Reputations:
    4,125
    Messages:
    11,571
    Likes Received:
    9,149
    Trophy Points:
    931
    g.skill actually seems to be to go to brand of high clocked ram in clevo machines of the leading ethusiast users here :) i myself am using corsair sticks and cant complain (although the weak IMC on the 6700k is annoying, hoping to correct that with a future 7700k purchase)

    Sent from my Huawei Mate 8 NXT-AL10
     
  30. trikst3r

    trikst3r Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    2
    Messages:
    25
    Likes Received:
    3
    Trophy Points:
    6
    I just reinstalled windows and v5.0001.1.07 control center, but can't add the overclock fan profile. I tried @Plur instructions which work on earlier versions of CC but not on this one. Does anyone know how to add overclock fan profile to the Control center without installing XTU?

     
  31. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

    Reputations:
    9,431
    Messages:
    58,189
    Likes Received:
    17,897
    Trophy Points:
    931
    Part of it is board and part of it is IMC. You don't have the same luxury when tracing a laptop board as a desktop board.
     
    Ashtrix and Scerate like this.
  32. jaybee83

    jaybee83 Biotech-Doc

    Reputations:
    4,125
    Messages:
    11,571
    Likes Received:
    9,149
    Trophy Points:
    931
    tru dat, still, im staying optimistic :p if its indeed due to the board traces then im f***ed :eek: but theres still higher DIMM voltage and the 7700K IMC to check out...
     
    Scerate likes this.
  33. bfishman

    bfishman Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    56
    Messages:
    131
    Likes Received:
    59
    Trophy Points:
    41
    Hey folks. I've recently set-up my NP9758-G in a semi-permanent desk location (after a good 1.5 years of travel gaming, hooray!), and am now noticing that the fans seem to run *constantly* regardless of load.

    Taking a look at my idle temps, I'm seeing temps range between 70 and 80 degrees C - see screenshot. (Note the TZ0_ is pretty constant, but the individual core temperatures bounce all over the place.)

    There's no GPU overclock, no CPU overclock cpu usage around 11% (40% RAM). No voltage modification either.

    I currently have the Control Center app set to "quiet", although none of the profiles or settings (except fans @ maximum) seem to change the idle fan speed or temp. Windows power settings are at "high power" but even on the "battery saver", these fans are spinning constantly - understandably, because, well, look at my temps.

    So my question to you guys is - is this normal? I assume it's not. If not, are there any software tweaks I should try? I assume the next step would be to repaste my CPU, but would rather explore the less risky options first.

    Thanks guys and gals!

    EDIT: Oh, forgot to mention: The interior is clean, recently air-dusted, and the laptop's back is elevated with a couple of plastic bottle lids. Rear vents are not obstructed. I've even cracked the lid open slightly (as I'm using an external monitor) to help dissipate heat through the keyboard. Ambient temps are 60* F
     

    Attached Files:

  34. Spartan@HIDevolution

    Spartan@HIDevolution Company Representative

    Reputations:
    39,584
    Messages:
    23,560
    Likes Received:
    36,855
    Trophy Points:
    931
    That's because you have the Clevo Control Center with its built in CPU Overclocking utility, the problem is, that utility install Intel XTU components which in turn, mess up the fan tables badly making them randomly spin up even if you're doing something basic like web browsing and the CPU temp is low:

    1) Uninstall your current CCC then reboot

    2) Perform an NVRAM Reset:


    To perform a soft NVRAM Reset without having to open the laptop and remove the CMOS battery:


    Hold FN + D + Power button for 5 seconds, then keep the FN + D buttons pressed and release the Power key, after 30 seconds, you should see the NVRAM reset message on your screen.


    Another user also mentioned:




    3) Set your BIOS options to back to what they were


    4) Install the latest Clevo Control Center for your laptop model (AKA Hotkey Driver) Use the OBSIDiAN-PC Tool, select your laptop model / wifi card that's in your laptop. If you download CCC though that tool, it has the OEM.INI file already set to not install XTU components by default but just to check..........

    To install the Clevo Control Center without the built-in CPU/Memory Overclocking tool (which contains XTU components):

    Edit the OEM.INI file in the Clevo Control Center driver's directory before you install it:

    Change SupportXTUFanTable=1 to SupportXTUFanTable=0
     
  35. bfishman

    bfishman Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    56
    Messages:
    131
    Likes Received:
    59
    Trophy Points:
    41
    That's awesome, I love this forum, thanks for your fast response.

    I'm having trouble resetting the NVRAM, or at least am not seeing the 'cleared' message, nor losing any of my bios defaults. I followed the tip about battery removal etc, no luck though. Will open up and pull the CMOS battery - anything else needed to clear the NVRAM?
     
  36. Spartan@HIDevolution

    Spartan@HIDevolution Company Representative

    Reputations:
    39,584
    Messages:
    23,560
    Likes Received:
    36,855
    Trophy Points:
    931
    try this:

    To perform a soft NVRAM Reset without having to open the laptop and remove the CMOS battery:

    Hold FN + D + Power button for 5 seconds, then keep the FN + D buttons pressed and release the Power key, after 30 seconds, you should see the NVRAM reset message on your screen.

    Another user also mentioned:

     
  37. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

    Reputations:
    9,431
    Messages:
    58,189
    Likes Received:
    17,897
    Trophy Points:
    931
    Oh it's better on the 7700K, just it's all held back about the same amount.
     
    TomJGX likes this.
  38. bfishman

    bfishman Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    56
    Messages:
    131
    Likes Received:
    59
    Trophy Points:
    41
    Yep, I saw the spoiler the first time, thanks for checking though. I'm assuming this is done with power off, right? Personal stuff came up yesterday, so I didn't continue troubleshooting, but wasn't able to positively confirm I'd cleared the NVRAM after following the procedure you posted (including the tip mentioned by another user).

    About to open her up and pull the CMOS unless you have something else to suggest. When pulling CMOS, just leave it out for 30 sec, anything else needed to clear the NVRAM??
     
  39. Papusan

    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

    Reputations:
    42,710
    Messages:
    29,842
    Likes Received:
    59,625
    Trophy Points:
    931
    No. Only the removal of cmos battery will clear the Nvram for the Clevo Pxxx DM1 models. The key command for Nvram reset is for the newer models.
     
    Last edited: Feb 5, 2017
    dzpliu likes this.
  40. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

    Reputations:
    9,431
    Messages:
    58,189
    Likes Received:
    17,897
    Trophy Points:
    931
    There were some funky bios versions out there IIRC that did have it but yes it's best to assume that no, you need to remove the battery.
     
    Papusan likes this.
  41. bfishman

    bfishman Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    56
    Messages:
    131
    Likes Received:
    59
    Trophy Points:
    41
    Thanks again @Phoenix - I don't want to jinx anything, but the laptop seems to be running quieter already. You rock!
     
    Spartan@HIDevolution likes this.
  42. Spartan@HIDevolution

    Spartan@HIDevolution Company Representative

    Reputations:
    39,584
    Messages:
    23,560
    Likes Received:
    36,855
    Trophy Points:
    931
    Be smart.... be like Phoenix.... :eek: :rolleyes:
     
  43. Buzzbugs

    Buzzbugs Notebook Enthusiast

    Reputations:
    0
    Messages:
    17
    Likes Received:
    9
    Trophy Points:
    6
    I wish this had more USB ports than 3. :)
     
  44. bfishman

    bfishman Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    56
    Messages:
    131
    Likes Received:
    59
    Trophy Points:
    41
    Don't forget, the eSata port on the left side doubles as another usb3 port
     
  45. bfishman

    bfishman Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    56
    Messages:
    131
    Likes Received:
    59
    Trophy Points:
    41
    My rig:
    NP9758-G with 6700k and 980m
    GeForce driver: v 378.49
    Windows 10

    I'm experiencing a complete system shutdown shutdown occurring about 10 minutes into the 3dMark Firestrike Extreme stress test. After the shutdown, the system power seems to be on but is entirely unresponsive, an indicator light on the laptop blinks. To reboot, I must first long-press the power button to shut off the device, then wait 10 seconds or so, and then turn the power back on. If I power it on too early, I get a repeating system beep, which I believe is an indication of a thermal shutdown event. Upon reboot after a failure, I have a new critical Kernel-Power event in the windows event viewer.

    Here's the kicker, though: While the stress test was running, however, the CPU never climbed above 84*C, and the GPU never above 75* C. (At least according to CPUID's HWMonitor)

    After the first stress test failure, I removed my CPU undervolt and ensured I had no GPU overclock. Upon re-running the test, the shutdown occurred *sooner* - likely because my CPU temp jumped up significantly after removing the -140mv undervolt. So now I'm getting concerned.

    [[Previously, I've run a -160mv CPU undervolt and Prime95'd the sh*t out of it for hours on end, with no BSOD. So I believe the CPU undervolt is not the culprit here (it is probably actually helping the thermal situation due to the shared heatsinks).]]

    Recently, I re-pasted my CPU/GPU and saw a major improvement in the idle and low-performance temperatures (and much reduced fan noise, woohoo!). Idle temps now sit around 55*C on both, easily a 20*C improvement. The factory paste job on these parts was pretty abysmal, there was so much goop on there (dried, solid). As a result, when gaming, my CPU was regularly around 95*C (or higher, assumedly throttling was kicking in) and GPU around the same, perhaps a few degrees less. I bring that up because I'm starting to wonder if 1.5 years at such high temperatures I may have damaged the GPU.

    Is there anything else I should try here?
     
    Last edited: Feb 9, 2017
    Papusan likes this.
  46. Papusan

    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

    Reputations:
    42,710
    Messages:
    29,842
    Likes Received:
    59,625
    Trophy Points:
    931
    Same with older Nvidia drivers? If not, run DDU in safe mode and clean out the driver(New graphics in DDU with shut down). Fire up again and install an other driver you know worked. Repeat if needed.
     
  47. bfishman

    bfishman Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    56
    Messages:
    131
    Likes Received:
    59
    Trophy Points:
    41
    Unknown, I haven't run the stress in the past. Is there a known stable driver version you'd recommend?
     
  48. Papusan

    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

    Reputations:
    42,710
    Messages:
    29,842
    Likes Received:
    59,625
    Trophy Points:
    931
    You could try 372.54 - 375.95 and 376.19. It's also Nvidia drivers fixing and finding threads in the forum. Most part posted by bro @Phoenix
    Or you can test with the older drivers delivered for the machine. Not for newest games, but tested with your machine and can be used for testing purposess.

    Edit: Remember the DDU steps.
     
    Last edited: Feb 9, 2017
    Spartan@HIDevolution likes this.
  49. bfishman

    bfishman Notebook Consultant

    Reputations:
    56
    Messages:
    131
    Likes Received:
    59
    Trophy Points:
    41
    Good call, I'll try-out the original drivers just for a good stability baseline.
     
  50. Papusan

    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

    Reputations:
    42,710
    Messages:
    29,842
    Likes Received:
    59,625
    Trophy Points:
    931
    Test also with both maxed fans (Fn+1) and automatic fans. Good luck :) Ps. Montitor the temp as well.
     
← Previous pageNext page →