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    *** Official Clevo P775DM2/3(-G)/P75xDM2(-G) (Sager NP9152/NP9172) WINGMAN 2.0/BATMAN 3.0 Lounge ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Aug 3, 2016.

  1. Papusan

    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    I + many others know why... You got the recipe long long time ago :)
     
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    I told ya before, I don't know how to summon a dark storm inside the IHS to cool the thing off! Nor Do I posses the fine art of whispering to electronics to nicely ask the electronics to move in an orderly fashion to not create so much heat!

    The paste job I'm running now is okay (Not sure if I could apply a better one) and I have a good -100mV on Core, not sure if it can take any more.

    What else should I do? The delid sounds even more like witchery than using real magic to cool this thing off! For real tho, I have warranty on this CPU, I would delid on another one, but wouldn't delid on this one since it might void the warranty.
     
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    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    Do not worry too much about the warranty become void. Very rarely processors break. Almost never. I assumes that you do not upgrade to Kaby due more heat. Fix the one you already have. Aka purchase a a tool for dellidding + Liquid metal. Just do it. I know you can ;) You just need a kick in the ass :D As well fix your U3
    I have also showed you... Downclock cashe ratio a bit if temp is a problem. Almost no performance loss!!
     
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    metaldemon95 Notebook Geek

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    Question for those in the know, what's the deal with overclocking on pascal right now?

    All I seem to have are core and memory frequency sliders, voltage is greyed out and power and temp targets don't really seem to do much of anything. Tested on afterburner and precision.


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  5. Rage Set

    Rage Set A Fusioner of Technologies

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    @Mr. Fox will give you the long, very insightful version of the story. The short answer, welcome to the world of Nvidia greed. Yes, Pascal is better than previous generations but there is a lot of locked up performance tucked away so Nvidia can sell us more "improved" GPU's later on.
     
  6. Rage Set

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    Like @Papusan said, get yourself a delid tool (the EASIEST) to delid your CPU and apply LM then watch your temps drop. A $50.00 (tool plus LM) investment can extend the life of your computer two-fold. There are tons of videos out there to watch over and over to become comfortable delidding with the tool.

    EDIT: I'm delidding the 7700K in my P775DM3 tomorrow.
     
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  7. Papusan

    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    And second... If bro @Georgel even want to upgrade to 7700K later → Delidding is a must. Fix 6700K and enjoy that chip as long as possible. 7700K is anyway wasted if you do not overclock!! [email protected] is within reach if delidded and with good paste.
     
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  8. dm477

    dm477 Notebook Evangelist

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    This does seem like an exceptionally good temperature profile. Even without a delid, and at 5.0 you are still below 90C on your cores! Mine will reach 90 at stock in Witcher 3!

    Quite astonishing.


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    steberg Notebook Evangelist

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    So I was able to downgrade my BIOS, EC and 2:d EC back from the Kabylake version to Skylake versions without a hitch. I did it since the new BIOS version is not compatible with Windows 7.
    @Prema once said it's possible to go back if you flash the BIOS and EC in one go. So I made a batch file that downgraded all three in one go. Well I'm happy! Finally back to Windows 7!
    But I do not recommend anyone doing it, but just for your information, it's not possible to run windows 7 on bios 1.06.02 P750DM2, tried everything.
     
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  10. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    Wait, I haven't made you a personal mod, yet?
    (W7 is working perfectly fine with my 1.06.xx mods)

    Drop me a mail today!
     
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  11. steberg

    steberg Notebook Evangelist

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    Nope running stock bios, but I wish...
    Anyway getting win7 working made my day!
    All the best to you!
     
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    Delidding process has started: Whereas my Tornado F5 had way too much "toothpaste" on the CPU/GPU, the P775DM3 barely had any paste on the CPU/GPU. Unless you pay for a great TIM service by your reseller, I highly suggest repasting.
     
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    steberg Notebook Evangelist

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    Wow this day turned out to be awesome! Now running the latest @Prema mod on my P751DM2! Win 7 is working fine.
    Now where is that OC university :)? Lots to learn!
     
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  14. Scerate

    Scerate Notebook Evangelist

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    And a lot of great other stuff too :), premas bios made my machine so much snappier even without tinkering around much yet.

    Gesendet von meinem Nexus 6P mit Tapatalk
     
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    Delid Completed: At Stock 7700K is hitting 16C (mind you I'm in my computer room, located in the basement of my house) with autofans. A drop of more than 9C versus stock Intel crap paste.
     
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    Rage Set A Fusioner of Technologies

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    Look at those temps! I have not even pushed it...yet. http://www.3dmark.com/fs/11974110

    Maxfans - CPU 5.0 - GPU Core +180, Memory +340. Let's see what happens if I use my "garage trick"....
    [​IMG]
     
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    steberg Notebook Evangelist

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    Oh, I definitely need to buy some faster ram and a i7-7700K to start tinkering now when on @Prema steroids.
     
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    Using 3D Mark for temps might bring disappointment.
    FPU test with AIDA or Prime.
    Check CPU+GPU usage with prime plus heaven at the same time or a simple Aida GPU+FPU stability test.
     
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    I am going to run this beast through a gauntlet that will test both the CPU/GPU together and separately. I played an hour of DOOM at 4.8 and it barely went over 65C.
     
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    Q1: Is there a particular reason that my CPU and RAM benchmark scores are lower compared to when I tested it on a freshly installed vanilla Win 10?

    Q2: Could it be all the additional programs and services running in the background?

    Q3: I overclocked the CPU to 4.4Ghz, didn't see a very big jump in synthetic scores. Temperatures were acceptable. However, AIDA and Cinebench did not utilise CPU Cores at the full 4.4Ghz during stress testing.

    Q4. Do you think it is worth selling 6700K and getting 7700K?
     
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    Probably because when you start pulling the GPU the CPU clock will go down.
    A simple test is this:
    1st - Use AIDA and do a stability test with only FPU selected, check max CPU speed.
    2nd- Then same test but also check GPU (FPU + GPU) and you will probably see the CPU speed go down.
    To make the CPU go up try reducing it´s core voltage offset.

    A properly tuned unit is the one where you can get the highest CPU clock while also pulling hard of the GPU, the highest clock combined with a throttle free temperature range is what i would always aim for, unless the software you use only uses CPU... Here starts the magic of throttlestop! I usually have a profile for "CPU only", then one for "CPU+GPU", then one for "Silent Usage" and the 4th for Battery.

    Some of the stuff i´ve learned:
    Using games to check CPU temperature is pointless.
    Using CPU benchmarks to check GPU temperatures is pointless.
    Having the CPU overclocked high while failing to notice that the clock will go down as soon as you push your GPU hard is common practice, unfortunately.
    Tuning your unit to a usage scenario which does not correspond to your daily usage is pointless.
    Most of benchmarks for 3D graphics produce less heat than a actual game.
    The 6700K produces less heat then a 7700K, way less... if you try to balance max CPU clock and high GPU usage you will notice that to gain around 300mhz you are adding around 10ºC and will pay more for the CPU.
    The 7700K wont undervolt has much as the 6700K.
    I get better 3D benchmark scores with a 6700K @ 4.3 then at 4.7Ghz, why? Because you can maintain fixed 4.3Ghz while pulling the GTX 1080 to 100%, but when i tune it to 4.7Ghz the additional voltage i need will make the CPU go down to 4.0Ghz when i start pulling on the GTX 1080. Well with the 7700K it´s not even a matter of voltage, it´s mostly temperature and how much you can undervolt it.

    Btw the 6700K is so easy to keep cool that we don´t even need to undervolt it to make it "not throttle", yeap even while doing a FPU+GPU test!
     
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    Hi there,
    I just received my Toy(Clevo P775DM3-Gback today from the DreamMachines service . Overall Support/Service/Phone calls and time was Top Class from Dream Machines in Poland.
    My GPU Card was faulty after when i repaste GPU last time(2weeks ago), but luckly they replaced it with no cost to pay. Not sure if i damage it or just card get faulty for some reason. Good news new card fitted . I have asked them to repaste CPU and GPU using Grizzly kryonaut . Machines works spot on now :)
    I'm using trick to drop temps down a bit (TS with -150mv all cores 4.2 ghz) . My temps in benchmark 3d mark 11 or firestrike are at 80 c max with auto fan on . I'm happy now with machine but when i Asked them to Flash PremaBios in my machines now I'm getting tearing in games not sure if i had it before as i did not played much .
    I'm using 75 mhz screen FHD OC to 100 Mhz with G-sync ON and still getting tearing in all games. Already test with Vsync on and off same problem. It's really annoying . I'm using default settings in Nvidia Panel . Does anybody have same problem? Should i change some settings in Nvidia Control Panel?
    Please answer .
    apologies for English .
     
  23. Georgel

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    Screen tearing is a matter of G-Sync and Vsync.

    Try to enable those in the in-game menus.

    Also, make sure that they are enabled in Nvidia control center.
     
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    Thanks for reply . I have G-sync enabled in all games . I play most of the time Battlefiled 1 . I play on medium settings and resolution scale to 150% i get easy over 100 fps but when i limit them to 100 fps i have tearing all the time i do that to drop temps down a bit .
     
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    Can you please try changing VSYNC to FAST, reboot, then see if it eliminates tearing
     
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    Combined synthetic tests like the end scene in firestrike looped can be a good test :)
     
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    x264 test to encode something 2 hours long or more with hardcore settings for CPU

    As for GPU, FireStrike.

    Comebined tests, firestrike is probably best shot :)

    As Phoenix said, try to do some Fast Sync.

    I generally just use Vsync, works like a charm and as long as framrate is above the display rate, you don't feel any problem. My Framerates are way above the display rate in general and so should be yours :cool:
     
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    Thanks again! no tearing now when i choose Vsync to Fast :) .
     
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    be smart........be like Phoenix :eek: :rolleyes:
     
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    what you can try too is using CRU, and set your 100hz overclock there, i used that method with my older P771DM-G and worked perfect, was a time tho before "fast" vsync was a thing :)
     
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    If i get chance ill try .
    While i do Benchmarks 3dmark 11 , Firestrike i get temps arround 80C on auto fan with TS -150mv all cores sets 4.2 but once i play games like Battlefield 1 my temps hit on CPU 90C and GPU 85C in my opinion they a bit to high are they . I delid CPU in my P751DM2-G without problems works until now fine . I'm just thinking if i do that on P775DM3-G how much i can drop temp on CPU ? If i do delid CPU does GPU temps go down aswell because of heatsink CPU+GPU?I'm also not interested to use LM . Prefer normal thermal grizzly kryonaut. I applied last time LM on GTX 1080 and card failed . Lucky i got Card replaced
     
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    Because Firestrike is more GPU dependant that's why you are seeing higher temps in Battlefield

    Delidding your CPU will drop the temps anywhere between -10C and -20C

    I suggest you also pate using IC Diamond with the X Cross method....

    The X Cross method is the best in my experience as once the heatsink is fitted, it provides the maximum coverage with the least air bubbles

    [​IMG]

     
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    Thanks a lot! I am on -120 mV. Is it too much? Should I go for -100 or -80?

    Any chance our displays get certified for G-Sync?
     
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    Right atm i have Grizzly kryonaut applied 2 days ago in Dream Machines when they replace my faiulty GPU . Isn't better then IC Diamond 7? If i can get lower temps using ICD7 i can go ahead with it .
     
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    GC should be okay for you if it is well applied.

    Are you gettin good temps?

    If it is stable, you should stay with this voltage. Only if it gets unstable should you change it.

    The more undervolting you have, the better temps you'll have.
     
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    Niceeee, like i been saying the P775DM3-G is indeed a amazing unit if you get it done properly!
     
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    Hi Guys. Just wondering if anyone can help me figure out a bit of confusion... just wondering about hooking up an external monitor to my p775dm (gtx1080), and curious what cordage or connections I would need to use to get over 120hz on a 1440p monitor?... and what happens if the monitor only has dual link dvi input? Thanks guys, I know some legend will answer this for sure haha
     
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    Can I upgrade from a 6700 to a 7700 with the base bios on a eurocom x4e2 (p750dm2-g)?

    I ask because I plan to switch so I can watch 4K netflix. Let me know! Thanks!
     
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    My verdict on the 7700K in the P775DM3. As seen from my previous posts, a delid is a requirement if you are going to use the 7700K in any DTR. If you keep it at the stock 4.5, it is a really good processor with a delid and undervolt.

    If you have a 6700K, you shouldn't upgrade unless you are really into OC'ing. If you are looking to configure a P775DM3 build, choose the 6700K, unless you are going to be OC'ing and/or getting a GTX 1080. A properly cooled, delidded 7700K/1080 combo will give you many years of enjoyment.
     
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    [​IMG]

    So any input on this?
    I think somebody over at HIDevolution for got to take off a protective film lol, anybody know if this is supposed to be there?


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
     
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    I had nothing like that under my heatsink when I took it off for my delid/repaste. Maybe @Donald@HIDevolution can comment.
     
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    I'm probably just going to investigate myself, I have some ICD handy and I'm already helping a friend repaste his laptop


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    I have delid CPU in my Clevo P775DM3-G (6700K) . My question is .... with thermal paste i should use under that metal cover . I'm not intrested using Liquid Metal. I have With me Artic Silver 5 and IC Diamond 7 Carat . My plan was or is Artic Silver Under metal cover and on top of it Cross Line using IC Diamond 7 like Mr. Phoenix mention in my previous post . Will that option drop CPU temps down ?
    Thanks for any reply's
     
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    Please use IC Diamond in both areas. You will be disappointed with Arctic Silver 5.
     
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    That yellow tape is supposed to be there to prevent leakage. @Rage Set did not buy his unit from HIDevolution.com.

    Since you have Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra and IC Diamond there..."don't fix it if it ain't broke"
    .
     
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    Leakage? Do y'all do liquid metal IHS to HS?
    I thought you used ICD


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    Yes, that is correct. The yellow tape is there for Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra leakage.

    What temps are you getting?

    The point is, if it was done incorrectly, your temps would be causing shutdown.

    Please, leave it alone...'if it ain't broke, don't fix it'
    .
     
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    Temps are good, at -100mv and 4.6 on all cores, +200 core, +300 ram on the 1070 I get in the upper 60s low 70s on the gpu and upper 70s on CPU when gaming (For Honor)


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    Nope it should be there to protect CLU leakage and his temps are superb as you can see from the post above

    You don't have an EVOC system bro that's why you don't have that plastic thing


    @Rage Set @metaldemon95

    [​IMG]
     
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