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    *** Official Clevo P775DM2/3(-G)/P75xDM2(-G) (Sager NP9152/NP9172) WINGMAN 2.0/BATMAN 3.0 Lounge ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Aug 3, 2016.

  1. IllusiveMan

    IllusiveMan Notebook Evangelist

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    Same thing here.. :(
     
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    That's why I completely lost interest in Notebooks....

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    And in the close time I will need BIOS and FW binary images (with cleaned ME region) for the P751DM model as it is with faulty motherboard and this comes in first steps alongside with new ICs flashed... I don't know if the BIOS and EC from P751DM2 will work in the P751DM...
    Can anyone give me a hand of help with this, I will really appreciate that!
     
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    The dm is different to the 2 and 3.
     
  5. IllusiveMan

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    Yes, but mostly similar according to the schematics, I haven't noticed differences.. Some time ago I flashed asus G73S BIOS into G53S and it was almost fine, so it could work the same way for clevos but some functionality might miss.

    Anyway, I need premamodded BIOS for both P751DM and P751DM2..
     
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    Chipset is different for a start.
     
  7. joluke

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    So guys a couple of weeks ago, i posted here about options for a FHD LCD for my P775DM3-G with either 120hz or 144Hz.

    G-sync was an option but not a important one.

    I talked to @John@OBSIDIAN-PC.com and he figured he had a possible 144hz LCD for me.

    He did test it and it worked great, g-sync wasn't working but everything else was working great!

    I ended up purchasing the said LCD today and will be receiving it in the upcoming week.

    Anyway, as soon as i get it i'll post the LCD specs here in case anyone else wants to purchase one :)
     
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    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    Yes, G-sync only works with the panels the model originally sold with. However I'd rather have the higher refresh rate.
     
  9. CaerCadarn

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    I thought G-Sync cards would only work with corresponding G-Sync enabled panels.... or rather don't work with a "normal" panel!?

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    They will run, just no G-sync.
     
  11. John@OBSIDIAN-PC

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    The cards work with any screen.
    What may or not work is the G-Gync technology.

    Sent from my MI Note 2 using Tapatalk
     
  12. joluke

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    I'll let you guys know whick panel I receive, so if anyone wants an upgrade they know the correct panel to get. Sadly no g sync but I'd rather go for the 144HZ instead
     
  13. CaerCadarn

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    So, if I would stick a 980m G-Sync in a lets say a Clevo P150EM it would work? Never heard of that!

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  14. joluke

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    A bit more complicated than that :)

    but the simple answer is: No it wouldn't
     
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  15. John@OBSIDIAN-PC

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    I was talking about cards and screens... Not cards and motherboards or base models. :)

    Sent from my MI Note 2 using Tapatalk
     
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    Me too and the 144hz panels look nice.
     
  17. joluke

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    Can't wait for mine to arrive. Should be receiving it between today and tomorrow :)

    As soon as I have it installed and my laptop repasted I'll post info about the LCD here
     
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    Cool, do let us know. Display upgrades can be the most rewarding.
     
  19. joluke

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    I got a Au Optronics (AUO) B173HAN03.1 with 144Hz from @John@OBSIDIAN-PC.com

    upload_2018-11-6_1-8-7.png

    Its working flawlessly!

    I bought from Obsidian-PC the LCD and a eDP 40Pin cable for my P775DM3-G.

    Well the feedback is that, changing the supplied LCD cable is a PAIN in the ASS, not for the casual noob that goes in this forum.

    Just requires almost a full disassembly of the laptop since the connector is below the metal cover, that is below the keyboard (yep... not easy to access).

    But with a bit of patience everything is achievable!

    A very happy customer for @John@OBSIDIAN-PC.com :)

    http://www.panelook.com/modeldetail.php?id=35472&ser_order=panel_part_number&ser_by=asc
     
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    Nice, yes the cable is much more difficult than the panel.
     
  22. joluke

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    It's a beautiful LCD! A great purchase :)
     
  23. Meaker@Sager

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    An LCD upgrade is always one of those things you get and think "why did I not do this earlier?"
     
  24. IllusiveMan

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    Some time ago I upgraded PC Specialist P751DM2-G with 1080 and my DP ports were not working, only internal display.

    After reinstalling video driver and trying drivers from notebookvideo2go, the DP ports still do not work, uninstalled CCC, changed setting is BIOS but still monitor is not detected. HDMI port works fine.

    Could this be a EC FW/BIOS/vBIOS issue or this card has can have dead DP ports..?

    P.S. Also it is not backwards compatible with SkyLake CPUs, now it has a KabyLake i5.
     
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    Have you tried another cable?
     
  26. IllusiveMan

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    Other laptops work with this cable and monitor.
    Also, before the upgrade it worked fine with the 1060 card.

    P.S. The card most probably comes from a p775dm3-g or p870dm3-g.
     
  27. IllusiveMan

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    New heatsink and sanding it to mirror on a perfectly even glass. Dissapointed because the nVidia GPU die in very convex (visible in the last image):
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    You can lap the die too if you are careful.
     
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    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    It would be bad to loose the nVidia text :D
    But anyone tried to sand the GPU die on MXM cards? I saw this done on desktop AMD cards like r9 290..
    Lapping on heatsink side is also an option, but it would take a lot of time.

    Already did this, thanks!
    I actually added stronger springs on GPU side and will do the same for CPU side too.
     
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    People are lapping the 9900k as the insulation layer is thicker. As for the mxm GPUs then less so funnily enough.
     
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    Should this read... "People are lapping a DELIDDED 9900K as the internal insulation layer is thicker." ???

     
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    Maybe if I was explaining it to someone who did not know what we were talking about. Since we were discussing lapping dies directly?
     
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    I didn't make the connection as I thought you were discussing lapping the GPU die and by default the 9900K's die is not exposed.

     
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    But I was talking about the insulation layer of silicon above the transistors, where else is there such an insulation layer?
     
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    @IllusiveMan's post was about GPU being convex, and the next post responds with text about lapping the die. One can lap things to remove convex/concave properties, but I guess your response wasn't about fixing the convex shape of the GPU in Illusive's post? If you're talking about CPU and he's mentioning the GPU, then probably not.

    Also to clear up definitions, you mention the 'insulation layer'. Is this in reference to the die thickness on the CPU? Are you talking about the same thing as the die's silicon thickness (and lapping it) as defined around 9m 13s in this video





     
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    The operating layer of the silicon is on the bottom of the die, everything else effectively acts as an insulation layer to protect from everything from physical damage to eliminating photo sensitivity. In the 9900K it's documented this layer is thicker partly to aid with the soldering requirement.
     
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    And in answer to my questions ... "Is this in reference to the die thickness on the CPU? Are you talking about the same thing as the die's silicon thickness (and lapping it) as defined around 9m 13s in this video"

    Meaker would say, "Yes."
     
  39. IllusiveMan

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    I have spotted that for example mobile haswell CPU heatsinks have a concavity that almost fits with CPU die convexity, so in that case sanding the heatsink on a glass would be a mistake.

    In the case with 1080 new heatsink I had to sand it on a glass because it had vertical ribs at the GPU contact place (I believe because they press vertical lines from the other side for less deformation when soldering heatpipes - but severe ribs after all this).

    Sanding the 1080 die is a risk - I cannot measure it with enough precision to be able to see how much to sand it, plus how thick the insulation layer is (still did not found that).

    I will be lapping the heatsink after all to make the concavity that will fit the die convexity... it will take time, but less risk to break the card.

    But, maybe I am not the first who is asking, is this convexity of the die normal? Aren't they supposed to eliminate (or at least make it very minimal) this after soldering the silicone die on the GPU/CPU overlay (textolite) ?
     
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    It will vary from manufacturer to manufacturer and sometimes SKU to SKU, but yes the Heat Spreader (or possibly just bare die) will have some 'convexity' or 'concavity' to it. See https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/thermal-paste-heat-sink-heat-spreader,3600-3.html

    I couldn't find a link for this, but from what I've read in the past, the shape is to allow expansion / contraction as the actual components of the CPU/GPU heat and cool and the manufacturer is trying to control how the physical changes to the silicon manifest during operation.
     
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    The insulation is the height of the die basically.

    It would be a VERY fine grit you would use. I cant say that I have noticed mine being bad but it depends how picky you are being.
     
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    Ok guys... I´m new here and this might be a dumb question...

    Is it possible to replace the MXM 1070 in the P751DM2-G to a 970m or 980m? Which MXM cards can I also use?

    I´m looking for a budget replacement for my wrecked 1070 and it is really hard for me to find informations about that specific therm....
     
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    Clevo 1060 is the cheapest replacement.
     
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    Metabox got that laptop 3 years now thermal paste is rubbish my GPu is too hot and cpunow it's fixed by my brother friend he got own business of fixing computer and laptop and he can thermal repaste.
    My vents blockage by dust that why shutting down all time fix it my brother friend my resdiant evil 2 remake full speed now i6700k I got the pictures of it inside how dust in it and thermal paste rubbish
     
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    20190112_183312.jpg this is it now U see it
     
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    Just do a repaste every 6 months... Doesn't hurt and its easy to do and a clean up to dust as well :)

    Enviado do meu SM-N950F através do Tapatalk
     
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    Already did that no more overheating my GPu temp is 58c and my CPU temp is better now need becareful reseller company need now how to do thermal paste properly.
    can ask U can I upgrade CPU and GPU rtx on this laptop yes or no.

    Did U check power supply 330watts I wonder why my mum friends complaint about electric bills issue from my laptop Power supply I am from Austraillia.
     
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    Still a lot less than an equivalent desktop.
     
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    My frame rate final fantasy xv PC is 45 on qhd mas setting even nvdia frameworks all on even 4k asset it's was thermal paste problem now fixed stupid steam fourm think denovo is a the problem it's not U need thermal paste.
     
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    You can't really make blanket statements like that, some of us keep our computers clean and it impacts desktop a lot less.
     
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