*** Official Clevo P870DM/Sager NP9870-G Owner's Lounge - Phoenix has arisen! ***

One question... Are there any other fans out there that can replace fans(cpu, gpu 1 or 2) in P870DM-G? That can provide better air flow?

 

What renderer are you using?
I had this problem with Vray , but it turned out that for some reason my max tubo power was set to 35w or something. Since you have a SAGER system youbeont have access to this in the BIOS, check in Intel XTU what max turbo power settings are at.

 

I don't know of any up to this moment.

Maybe someone created something in house, but officially the stock fans are the only fans that exist so far for P870.

 

@Phoenix what is CPU Vcore ? which option is that in the prema BIOS..

 

Please ask this question here and I will reply immediately as we do not want to overflood this thread with overclocking posts:

Clevo Overclocker's Lounge

Thank you for understanding

 

Hi all. I saw a in number of posts on this thread questioning whether one had the wrong bottom plate, specifically with foil covering the middle GPU fan and possibly affecting cooling. some users are cutting out the foil to help the middle fan breathe.


Well, I cleaned the dust out of my p870dm radiators last night. I noticed that the middle fan blades are oriented in the opposite direction of the CPU and main GPU fan, so I'm thinking that the fan spins the other way so its supposed to suck air in from the top. also, the motherboard directly on top that fan (and under the m.2 number 2 slot) has a fan sized hole! so yeah, looks like that fan spins the other way.

 

Hi guys,
few days ago when I was writing report in work I... noticed that my keyboard is VERY loud on middle. The problem is that there is empty space between keyboard and interior and when I'm typing keys (K, I, J, L, M, N, B, ",", O, U) it hits interior and makes very loud noise. These few keys are at least 10 times louder than E, A, Q or numerical keyboard... I tried to remove keyboard and place it again but still same. I missed something?
Now hitting any of these keys makes me suffer since i can't endure this... sound...

 

G'day all, having a big drama trying to use Microsoft Excel and Word on my machine. Basically, running it on either my internal or external 4K screens at anything below 200% scaling causes massive display glitches in Excel, and display crashes when switching to a chart-type sheet. Word just blanks out sections of the page. I've attached a picture of how the screen looks on an Excel spreadsheet, scrolling down quickly or slowly just produces more of the glitches which remain on the screen, they don't get cleared or refreshed.

System is as per the specs in my signature with the Acer XB280HK external 4K G-Sync monitor.

A few of the things that I have tested, none of which have worked:
- Latest Nvidia driver (364.XX) and also an earlier one (354.35)
- Local and Microsoft accounts for Office
- Local and Microsoft accounts (including new local accounts) for Windows
- RAID and non-RAID of the M.2 drives
- Complete clean install of Windows with only the supplied drivers installed
- As per above with the removal of the touchpad driver, HD audio driver, and Command and Control Centre
- G-Sync on and off
- Excel hardware acceleration disabled and enabled
- No Excel add-ins enabled
- BIOS is currently running Premamod with the standard 4.2 GHz overclock / undervolt as per Phoenix's instruction thread
- Switched out the 64 GB G.SKILL 2400 RAM for 32 GB Crucial 2133

The only fix I have seen so far was with a Microsoft tech remoting into my machine, we created a new local account and it worked fine in that and so we thought it was fixed, except two hours later the fault reappeared (the machine was unused in those two hours). Eventually on the same install I got it working OK again after disabling all Chrome extensions and thought I had it nutted, except after a restart the fault reappeared again. Since then neither the new account or the Chrome fixes have worked, nor did the complete clean install with no Chrome or any other apps installed.

Note that disabling the external display and running the external only removes the graphics glitches on the spreadsheet but does not prevent crashes on the chart-type sheets.

FYI the internal display is running at 250% scaling and the external at 150%. Anything above 200% scaling on either monitor fixes the issue, and the internal monitor has the same problem if it's set below 200% scaling as the external one has.

Does anyone have any ideas what could be causing this?

Thanks,

 

Clevo makes the worst laptop keyboard EVER!

 

1) Set the DPI Scaling back to 100%

2) Log Off Windows then relogin

3) Use Windows DPI Fix to set it to the DPI scaling that you want but choose Windows 8 Scaling Algorithm rather than Windows 10

 

Sadly it did not happen yet.

I was kind of looking forward to this.

 

Also try using an older driver or set the resolution to 1080p @ 100% scaling. Newer GeForce drivers are garbage and that may be contributing to your problems. See if things work correctly at 1080p if older drivers do not help. Problems like you are having are one of the reasons I do not like 4K at all, but the example in your photo is worse than anything I have experienced. I am basically running the 4K screen at 1080p until I have time to take the machine apart and put the 1080p screen back on again.

Does disconnecting the external display and using only the laptop screen make any difference? Using different scaling on each screen may be causing problems. Try making them exactly the same.

 

My titan-x actually just died while I was on the 384 set.... No nvidia for me just now.

 

Omg hope you have warranty.. A $1000 GPU dying due to drivers.. Can't believe the NVIDIA fail.. Polaris come out in MXM so I can dump the 970M..

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No warranty after my mods no, likely my on fault to be honest so i've just had to eat the cost (something you have accept when you start volt modding really)

 

Bake it?

 

Tried it and no good, the 12v 8 pin line is still shorted to ground.

 

There is a way to use a manifest hack to scale apps like this properly. Im not at home right now, but here are few links :

http://appuals.com/best-fix-disable-display-scaling-on-high-dpi-devices-in-windows-10/
http://pocketnow.com/2016/01/25/hidpi-scalling-in-windows-10
http://www.genericmaker.com/2014/05/force-dpi-scaling-on-windows.html

Been using something similar, just did manually and everything has been great.

 

Is the die dead?

 

I get that impression, there was no spark or smell so yeah I think it is.

Playing with a fury Nano now, having some fun getting it clocked up.

 

LOL you dont wanna know what my 980 did the other day before i sent it away for RMA.

 

Does your 970M suck as much as mine does? Such a piece of trash GPU, won't handle much overclocking or over-volting at all. I haven't seen such a wussy GeForce GPU in a long time, and I thought my last pair of 980M cards that I sold on eBay were bad. I am very disappointed in how wimpy it is... the sample I have is strictly a no-frills piece of poop gamer-boy GPU.

It seems like many of the newer samples of 970M and 980M are very poor quality products that are plagued with issues. Not sure whether they are using defective components to build them, or recent NVIDIA drivers are so horrible they cannot function correctly, or a combination of both.

Well, I didn't until you mentioned it. Now you have to tell us what happened. Spill your guts, bro.

You have my deepest sympathies, Brother Meaker. Sorry to hear that happen, man.

 

It trips my adapter every single time its plugged in. You take the GPU out and the system boots just fine. Even on battery, the lights just flash and then the system doesn't turn on.

 

Sounds about like what happened to the 980M GPUs that I had in the Sky X9 and those that @ssj92 had. That is part of what I was commenting about to @TomJGX in my previous post. It certainly feels like NVIDIA hardware and drivers are both extremely poor quality now... this is the worst than I can recall seeing from NVIDIA since the 8-series solder-failing fiasco.

 

Yeap. The best drivers i ever used were the 34X.XX series. After that everything just went to hell.
For example in CSGO me and my friends cap our FPS at 300fps. And after the 360 series drivers the drop was pretty much 75-100 fps. Like from a static 300 to varying fps. Feels pretty weird when you are used to something super smooth.

 

I really wish I could start using AMD hardware and drivers inside P870, but I am not sure their drivers are much better. Seems as GPU is so laxed in competitivity terms that they don't even try anymore. we have to buy regardless of what we do, no one can create a new or better GPU regardless of how hard he tries, for a similar price.

It is almost like they think they own everyone.

I predict us enthusiasts giving up on laptops sooner or later, and planting farms of rasberry pi modules to make a huge, better, more stable GPU.

Joking aside, I don't know when or how they will correct their problems, but it is breaking my gaming and my fun. Most important. Screw those inconsistent bench results depending on drivers. It is hard to OC as it is, if they keep changing OC rules with every driver, it will all go down. I want them to let me play around with the hardware, not having to hunt one single golden driver that works, afterwards to discover that this golden driver is too old to properly support my games.

/end of rant

Might make one of those rant videos XD. Or one more Risitas video.

Until then : Risitas !



Whenever I am angry, Risitas videos seem to calm me down, and make me forget how badly these companies screw our enthusiastic fun.



@Mr. Fox I love that you used a very good soundtrack on the video guide to using Prema Bios on youtube!

 

you mean 364 I guess not 384.

Was it the hot fix 364.96 or the regular one 364.72?

364 is one big fail. what's worse is that it's been almost a month with no nVIDIA driver updates. guess the drivers clowns team is cooking a new surprise for us

 

The one about the macbook is a pretty good laugh.

 

Not sure how many have seen this, but if you are planning to pull the trigger on one of these bad boys you can save $300 this weekend.

 

Which Nvidia driver release are most people currently using on their P870dm? I'm using 362, is it safe to update to 364.96 or should I wait? Is there an increase or decrease in the benchmarking results from 362 to 364.96?

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1) stay away from the 364.xx series if you don't want to fry your GPU. 362.00 is the latest safe driver.

2) might wanna edit your signature, the HIDevolution model is now called the EVOC P870DM

 

So this is my 2nd 970M.. Got it about 8 months down the road as a warranty replacement.. It's definitely not as good as the 1st one I had.. Just can't overclock it as much..

I personally have had enough with NVIDIA.. Sucky drivers, just horrible business practices.. Can't wait for an AMD MXM card and say bye bye to the 970M...

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A quick question to P870-DM users..

Can you set up the backlit keyboard in "pure" white color? Or you'll have to fight/custom mod the app to get a kind of white?

 

Finally, a question in this thread I can answer!

At least with my P870 from XoticPC, I can have 3 color profiles saved. One of which is the pure white backlit keyboard and the lid lights off (less flashy colors to distract during meetings.)

I believe I just set the RGB values to 255 in the lighting control software, which combines to generate the white light.

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Thanks Chronokiller!

Happy you could finally answer a question around here! heh

 

Yes, I'd been lurking for awhile now. I'm trying to soak up some knowledge from some of the veterans on here.
I figured it was time to contribute, even if in a small way.

 

After a long time, I finally can say I am a full member of this thread!

First of all I would like to thank this community for all the information and knowledge they share!
Second I would like to thank PCSystems-Evolutionx, for a great system and the best contact
I had during my journey of buying a P870DM-G.
Germany is, from my point of view, not an easy place to buy. Either the resellers are more than
expensive or not very customer-orientend, if they even have what you want (so selling a
GTX 980 non G, is somewhat strange to me......)

If you want to know more of my journey, just drop me a PM.

 

I have been using the latest hotfixed nvidia drivers and so far no issues.... Are they dangerous? What's this frying the card I'm hearing of?

 

You should create a thread in the feedback section. Would be really helpful for future buyers.
And congrats on the awesome system!

 

No problems here either with the latest Nvidia drivers.

I think the problem has been with The Division game, specifically, and the most recent Nvidia drivers. At least, from what I've seen.

I don't play The Division though. No idea if they fixed those issues or not yet.

I only play Witcher 3, GTA5, WoW, Diablo 3, Skyrim... no issues here.

 

Well I do play the division... I don't see any overheating on my cards even though the game definitely runs under par.

 

I would like nothing better than to see the Red Team finally get their act together and open a can of whoopass on Intel and NVIDIA, but holding your breath could lead to fatality. I think the chances of AMD actually doing something impressive are slim to none. Even in the desktop space they suck like a Hoover on steroids. I wish the opposite were true, but their best stuff sucks compared to what Intel and NVIDIA bring to bear. I don't know any way to present this in a nice or kind way, so let's just use a couple of examples and let the numbers speak for themselves.

Example: AMD DESKTOP with flagship FX-9590 CPU clocked at 5.8GHz and R295x2 x2 ( Quadfire) Fire Strike and 3DMark 11 world record scores versus laptops with 980M SLI. Both the Panther and Sky X9 laptops literally RAPE the best AMD has to offer in the desktop space... VERY sad... and shameful.

Fire Strike: http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/5162652/fs/7923546

3DMark 11: http://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/8527356/3dm11/10709217

And, please note that I did not cherry pick the above examples. These are the best scores on record for a system sporting an AMD CPU. I did the search with the GPU field left blank. This is the best one can expect when pushing a flagship AMD desktop to the edge, and it just ain't good enough.

I find it extremely difficult to muster any kind of hope about their future or express any amount of respect this degree of pathetic performance. Unless they discover some sort of magic, or Intel and NVIDIA get worse over time, it probably ain't gonna happen. The graphics scores are kind of OK if you splurge on the best desktop GPU they offer, (never mind that they have nothing worth buying in MXM form factor,) but the physics performance is truly tragic. At almost 6.0GHz their flagship hexacore desktop CPU peformance about on the same level as Intel's best BGA crapbook CPU. With this kind of performance, or lack thereof, their very survival is in jeopardy.

 

The issue is that CPU arch is many years old and not refreshed since, Zen should be a huge improvement over that.

On the GPU front I have been pleased by my R9 Nano testing so far.

 

What's your max stable OC for gaming and benching?

For FS I am able to get +380/+480/+100mv benchstable out of the box in SLI.

For 3DMark11 I have to dial back to +325/+450/+100mv

AND if gaming the only stable oc I get is +150/+200 with no overvolt in RotTR.

Though no finetuning done, just rough tweaking.

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Let's hope so. I would love to see AMD CPUs keeping up with Intel. That would be truly awesome if they still continue overclock so well and not present a fire hazard without liquid cooling. If Zen can run with the best Core i7 then maybe the clowns at Intel will get scared enough about losing market share to pull their heads out and knock it off with the crippled BGA crap.

 

I totally hear you there!

It is just so shameful that Intel makes BGA Cpus in freaking over 2000$ - 3000$ laptops. I mean, who even expects any battery at that point, or who does not buys that for performance.

BGAs have their place in those tiny light ultrabooks for making powerpoints or writing, or office, but not for power usage. It is almost like they say to us enthusiastic users " Here, you can have this thing, which should be great, but don't OC it, don't use it to full potential, oh, and you probably can't cool it as it needs either, because we want to milk money together with mother board makers so that you can fry entire motherboard, not only the CPU if you go overboard"

I mean, I don't even understand how BGA started, it is clearly not an evolution. It seems like they devolve CPU performance for a reason, while they don't manage to keep temps down either. I had BGA that heats a lot, while P870's CPU heats less.

 

THX! I am really happy with the system the Raid 0 on the 2 SM951 is awesome!

I did post a short passage within the "EU - Clevo Reseller thread".

 

As much as I hate to say (write) it: It's all about reducing costs and milking us people....

The Intels, Nvidias and the rest of the suckers add bulk and manufacturing complexity to products that strive to be as inexpensive and small as possible. And thus we have a reduction in costs which comes in a reduction of quality. Replacable parts on the one hand and with this the whole RMA process on the other one reduces margin to a significant extent.
So what do THESE suckers do? They invent this throwaway mentality and brainwash the average Joe that BGA is a superior Feature of the Dellienwares, Razer Blades, etc., because we can produce this shiny little, ultraslim, superportable Gaming Notebooks now which performs like crap! Not that the average Joe cares about, nor understands it, but it's all right as long as he has this shiny little, ultraslim, superportable Gaming Notebook now!

But the sad part of the Story is that the average Joe is Legion and unfortunately not that educated to get this point. And the Enthusiast - we are so outnumbered that nobody cares a rat's butt about us speaking out the truth aloud.

But nevertheless: we won't stop trying, won't we?

 

Yeah, fight against BGA junk to the bitter end. You can't give up now. The fight have barely started And every BGA machine lesser sold the better in the end

 

Zen is rumored to offer 8 core comparable to broadwell at 95w.
A real win for mobile if true.
Polaris 10 is offering close to 980ti performance at 100-150w space.
Dont throw in the towel on AMD yet, bro @Mr. Fox.

I might just go AMD on this gen to avoid nvidia's more gallons of milk pricing.