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exactly what i was thinking when i saw the specs: broadwell part 2! *ugh* in any case, these clocks are just ES sample based, so its a good sign that the turbo already is able to reach 4.2 ghz (altho shucks that intel decided it to be a great idea to only have turbo boost for one core since skylake...)

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too early to tell how 7700k will perform; however, 6weeks ago @ Fox was kind enough to remind me Kaby (edit) 'may' be Win10 only, so 'a downgrade' yes - in at least one way - to some of us who know Win7 as the lovely thing it is. Need I say more.

Spoiler: Kaby OSX

On January 15, 2016, Microsoft announced that WX would be the only supported Windows platform for Kaby Lake processors

Yes, say more. I'll edit here as new posts have developed. I've no knowledge Kaby can't work on W7, I hope it does, & as well, I want Kaby to outperform Sky as much as anybody, so all you blessed Phoenix fellas can someday swap up to one, pop the uppity BGA koolaid drinkers, pow!, right in the kisser. Hopefully it will effect a positive light on your re-sale values / curtail depreciation as well, maybe run cooler. Sky > Kaby on se7en FTW baby. Mixed blessing on 10 ...

 

tbh guys i seriously doubt it. intel's clear goal of doing optimization 3yrs tick/tock strategy is in place so 14nm start with broadwell, skylake new design, kabylake just optimization of skylake which there isnt much to optimize at this point unless they are willing to give us binned chips.. reason for that lower clock could be because of bigger igp core yet again.

until zen comes around and we see it on par with skylake or better, we wont see major improvement on intel side for sure. good thing is, zen consumer would come 8c possibly the non HEDT portion means intel could possibly do a 6c cannonlake on 10nm, so we can get that in a laptop.

6c in a laptop ummm last time clevo had it was p570wm thats 4 yrs ago =C

 

Is this still a good buy or should I wait for 1080m? I need a laptop by August

 

I care not even one bit about their iGPU. They can shove it up their own motherboard's sockets.

I am 100% positive not a single sane person buys an unlocked K CPU and uses iGPU, this is so poor targeted.

What is up with intel, they almost try to make less sales.

On the other hand, if it supports only win10, maybe it has very good optimizations, and intel were long enough on market to understand that an enthusiast level CPU might as well come without any iGPU, as no one cares for them at this level.

For cheaper, yes, having a stronger iGPU might be good, but nor for enthusiast level CPUs.

 

unfortunately it is the opposite. enthusiast notebook or notebook with dedicated nvidia/amd gpu are in the minority. most of the ultra book, or thin notebook with intel IGP they sell well with lower cost hence intel improves on IGP front so they do make more money, and it sucks for us bigtime. and that window 10 bs, i'd assume it'll work with previous windows, just bunch of things wont be supported, like for example, windows 10 update come with new re-written codes that take advantage of new cpu instruction, we dont get to use those etc.

 

The size of the igp should not impact clocks as it is power gated when off and on its own clock domain.

 

@Georgel

The use of the iGPU can ignored completely and not even powered on during AC/Battery use.

Or optimally the iGPU disabled during AC powered use - and the iGPU is enabled only for power savings while off AC on battery, requiring a boot in between to matrix switch outputs to the internal display between the iGPU and dGPU(s)

The worst iGPU use mode is keeping the iGPU active while on AC - so it's in charge of video to the built-in display. Avoid those iGPU mode always on notebooks.

Even if Windows 7/8.1 aren't patched to use the new CPU instruction set options, the build tools for applications will be able to build new applications - or rebuild/patch old ones - and those updates will be available from developers for any Windows version their application is installed.

BIOS updates are up to the hardware vendor, not Microsoft, so we should still expect motherboard BIOS updates to support new CPU's for the new laptops and socketed upgrades / new builds done with new CPU's on socket compatible motherboards.

We will be exploring new territory for the new hardware moving forward, I would hope MS wakes up and stops trying to herd us all into the Glass Fish Bowl they are building to put us on display.

 

if only theres still socketed upgrade for cpu. each generation or two intel forces new chipset with minimal changes as their excuse we have to buy new hardware. need some competition from zen and AMD socket. intel iGP is pretty powerful and power efficient, especially the newer ones come with broadwell and kabylake but hella expensive.

 

they need to make die contact larger, better heat dissipation.

 

The cpu cores themselves can't really be made larger.

 

not the actual core, the shining thing in contact with IHS. bigger aoe

 

That wont help much as the heat does not propergate much through the silicon sideways.

 

Here's some news about the 1080m:
http://videocardz.com/60211/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080m-faster-than-gtx-titan-x

In the screenshot, the gpu score is 34k for 3dmark11 which implies that it is in SLI. Given that the gtx 1080 scores around 30k gpu
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Nvidia-GeForce-GTX-1080-Desktop-Review-Pascal-has-arrived.165500.0.html

In that case, the performance of the 1080m (approx 17k gpu) is slightly better than the 970 but less than the 980.

 

You forgot to factor in the sli inefficiency. The second card, at most, gets 90%, if it reaches fury levels. Otherwise, you are looking at 85-87% sli efficiency. That puts it at 17,894 - 18,378.

Edit: where did you get 34K? I see 20,800 in the first and 29,400 for the 1080 desktop. If that is correct, 34k for sli, you are talking a 70%sli efficiency, which is ****. You were scoring in the 85% range with the 980m sli

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It's a bit too early for Pascal mobile in a laptop. It is doubtful only one vendor would be this far along - there should be more than one vendor with info for Pascal in a laptop, but no other "leaks" have surfaced.

The best guess so far is that Asus has a 2 x 980 mobile desktop SLI model to show. Another step on the path to a water cooled 2 x 1080 mobile desktop SLI model still to come.

 

It is in the GPU score on the first article It is even in the Asus site
http://rog.asus.com/23312016/coming-soon/the-future-of-ultimate-gaming-laptops---a-glimpse/
Thank you for the SLI scaling correction.

You might be right, I'm sorry I got a little excited. Most of the posts revolving around the 1080m points to the Asus website and it says not-overclocked. The SLI 980 is at 32k gpu in 3dmark11.

 

I posted this earlier in another thread at NBR and in the Asus GX/G Laptop forums at the rog.asus.com site:

Unknown what GPU configuration is driving this new GXXX laptop. Some SLI 980 scores that closely match the score shown by Asus in their teaser glimpse:

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/3dm11/...dm11/11108109#

Interestingly, all are using a mobile CPU the 6820HK, all have 2 x 980 SLI, and all show the motherboard as an ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC. GX800VG

Also, the highest of the 3dmark11 Graphics Scores is: 38549

Spoiler: Mystery Asus GX800VG 3dmark11 Scores

Spoiler

 

@hmscott , thank you for that information. It's more confusing now since the site says unoverclocked but 3dmark11 says otherwise ;-)

 

None of the 3 scores are quite the same results that Asus published, and we don't know the state of the base settings of the machine, and neither does the FM engine, so if Asus says their published score is stock speed, then we can assume those are the settings that will ship modulus last minute changes.

The highest score set shows higher CPU/Physics results as well as much higher GPU Score 38k vs 34k, so that one is definately OC'd.

 

24" laptop...

I seriously wonder how we could carry it around... Like... having such a big surface means the entire area is more sensitive to damage...

 

A custom backpack should solve that. I know I would get a 24" laptop...if it supports a desktop processor and 2*200w MXM GPUs, and comes with said custom backpack

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Hey guys just wondering if anyone has experienced lag and stutter with their mice at any point? If so are there any clear fixes? I have been noticing lately it gets all weird on me and randomly lags. Not always though... Any suggestions?

 

Also if someone has a 980m sli setup and is running the newest drivers... And also has WoW please pm me I was hoping to compare some OC settings.

 

Mine would do that when the PCH was overheating. Also had a 980m sli system. Logitech G602 wireless

 

Nope, none what so ever. Using the Zowie FK2 and Razer Deathadder. With a Razer Blackwidow and Ducky Shine.

 

Oh it can't be overheating it would do this just on the desktop not even in games. Could be from a cold boot and it happens.

 

Sometimes, if the SSD or HDD / RAM is failing, that causes the system to halt for few seconds.

 

The best I could come up with was that the higher frequency USB3 ports could be causing interference with the wireless receiver for the mouse.

 

It does support Bluetooth as well could that be any better or worse than USB?

 

I dont think you will be able to pair the mouse to the inbuilt bluetooth. I tried it once with an old M$ mouse and that didnt work.

 

I sure hope bluetooth works with a mouse as that's the only kind of wireless mice I ever use!

 

I guess it's testing time today!

 

If the mouse pairs with a standard done rather than a custom one for the brand then it should work fine. My razer orochi pairs fine.

 

Guys, here are supposedly Polaris benchmarks.
http://videocardz.com/60253/amd-radeon-r9-480-3dmark11-benchmarks

 

If I am reading that correctly, it means that a single card is a but above 980 levels, not even close to 980ti or 1080...

I want to like AMD more, but for a performance junkie, that is really not impressive.

Now, we should wait and see what is the price for them because if they are priced really lower, one can run a crossfire AMD setup and be happy if a crossfire setup costs less than a single 1080.

 

@Georgel , yes that is true. I do hope its bigger brother (Vega) performs well against GP100. It would be nice to use an AMD card again just for the sake of Nvidia having competition.

 

I wonder how AMD are still in business if all they do is exist for nvidia to have a competitor. I mean, I would love if AMD would be in top for at least one generation of GPUs, to be a real competition.

 

Polaris 10 and 11 were never ment to compete directly with 1080. The real question is imho how power efficient polaris will be and if it has an edge over nvidia based cards (pascal included) in directx 12/windows 10 due to asynchronous compute which pascal still does not provide to the same extent as AMD. Polaris could be very interesting for especially thin AND powerful gaming laptops.

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Yeah... I would rather let other people enjoy them thin laptops, I want a performance beast, not something small and shiny.

I am sure there are a lot of people who don't fancy big or thick or loud laptops, but if AMD is more expensive, less powerful, and their only strength is size, they simply don't address enthusiast market. And most of the market are not enthusiasts, so they might be looking on making money from average customers, without pushing the limits on what is possible.

I wish you would step up in enthusiast segment too.

 

Polaris never was intended for enthusiasts, however Vega will be. I also doubt a polaris equipped laptop would be more expensive than a 1080m.


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Is it me or does the division still run sub part on 980m sli? Not to mention it's performance has varied so much from driver to driver since release. I just don't see how that game can dip down to 40s and 50fps even with an overclock.

 

That's pretty common these days for SLI, have you tracked your usage?

 

Gpu usage? 99% on both the entire time.

 

What about cpu usage during the frame drops? Is there much happening on the screen? Object spawning and the like can cause hick ups.

 

Cpu is a stable OC of 4.5ghz steady as can be. No specific time just fluctuates running around the city. Just mind blowing I expect more :/

 

Its stays at a nice 60-75 fps with everything maxed out on my system with the 980 OC'd to +150/+300. Never drops under that.

 

I feel like it's a sli optimization issue then... Sighhhhh

 

Single 980 GTX (Desktop Class) FTW

 

Actually what driver you running??