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he told me he uses 364.72, the best driver so far

 

Will check later today.
Might be what @Phoenix mentioned.

 

Or maybe the driver who came with Clevo.

 

Been using it for a while now with 0 problems, it gives the best performance and overclocking capabilities. The later drivers didn't even allow me to hold on to my 300/400 overclock well

 

One of my better bench scores with 364.72 http://www.3dmark.com/fs/8110562 A good driver

 

Division didn't always run like this.. there were a couple drivers since 362 where it ran better... the thing is every time i try a new driver... everything performs different and all my OC's need to be re-tweaked. I wish the drivers would just get better and not be all over the place. It's literally like trying to find a driver that runs most of the games YOU play the best. That is such a pain. God forbid you want to update to support a new game.. but in the meantime 5 other games run worse. I know i'm venting here and some of the changes might be going from 65 fps to 55-60...but it still is incredibly frustrating.

 

Did anyone find a driver which can make Rise if the Tomb Raider Geothermal Valley microstutter free?
362.00 removed 75% of the microstutter, but it is still not perfect.
Anything older or newer driver gives noticably more stutter than 362.00.
All settings are on max. Aa turned off.
I assume it is not vram stutter since there is 8gb vram.
Vga is desktop 980.

 

You have to use at least the 364.51.

http://www.geforce.co.uk/drivers/results/99540

 

So what is the absolute best driver to date? Is it still 362 overall? Or is there one more recent that performs better and handles overclocking well? Preferably speaking about 980m sli.

 

365.19 is looking good

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I increased my gpupi score by 500ms with 368.22, but it won't install physx after I mod the desktop driver to work. But it did allow me to beat johnksss's 980m gpupi 1B by 4 seconds

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I really hurt inside when we have to discuss which driver is best and their names have such an irrelevant naming.

It would be so much better if they would be creating a specific driver for each card or something, and we would always have performance improving with generation.

 

You don't want to go back to a non unified driver model

Also each card has its own path in the drivers so it's not quite working as you think.

 

I'm a software developer.

The performance variation could be avoided in many ways. It is a general indicator of lack of interest. For example, if they need to invest in fixing up 1080 drivers and fast, who cares about last cards, they ran the end of product life from their perspective, it is business, it is normal, but it is not nice.

 

Iv got another 980m slave card from woody, just trying to install it now but the thermal pads seem too thin. Do they expand some after they get some heat?

 

Then they don't change the driver path for the older model and it should not impact them at all.

 

My problem has been stability with all these after 362. I had a stable 190/150 that worked for WoW and any other game I was able to push even higher to like 200-230/150. With the other drivers I can't even hold a 120/100 in WoW anymore and my other games have problems holding higher OCs. I would like to have sli support for overwatch but it's not looking good with these newest drivers. It's frustrating to no end.

I'll try a couple of the drivers you guys mentioned over the weekend and do some testing.

 

Mod the desktop 365.xx driver to work.

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What do you use to watch this framerates ?

 

I OC with Nvidia Inspector and monitor with afterburner.

 

Depends on the performance, if the core is being allowed to run something better it may place a strain on another part of the core and reveal instability in your overclocking.

 

THIS.
On 362.00, my overlclocks were holding great and the temps were nice, nut sometimes i would get black screens with Overwatch with the temps being around 65-70C and Fps around 80-110 on ultra. With the latest drivers i can hold the same clocks, but the temps are higher at 68-73C but the fps has gone up to 110-140 on Ultra. And no black screen since the game came out.

 

Did you check what driver you are running? It is the very latest? And are you running 980m sli as well?

 

Nope. 980 desktop.

 

You don't get performance for free, more frames means the gpu is working harder

 

Yeah, that's how it is. But the main point was that the black screens stopped even with higher temps.

 

Which can be the reverse of the above, some bug putting needless pressure on one part has been fixed.

 

My question was what display does play these framerates?

FHD display for P870 barely pulls 60Hz refresh rate, and 4K too.

There is no way you can see over 60fps on laptop displays for P870, because they simply cannot show them. G2G response time of both are over 16 ms , sometimes having 27 ms G2G response. This means that the display has the technical ability to show you 41 frames, even if you feed more frames per second to it

 

Oh I have the gsync panel it's 75Hz and I keep gsync on so I cap at 75fps. I don't need more than that for any game it's a waste of gpu temps honestly. But it's a 1080p screen not 4k.

 

I seem to remember that you were not sure whether you would go for single or SLI graphics. One thing is certain... SLI is not always optimal.

 

I wasn't sure what to get.... Went with single... Then changed to sli. So I have had both... And yes performance is definitely better in most cases with sli. It's just getting a good OC is so much more difficult with sli from driver to driver.

 

Yes, it only makes sense that double up with graphics cards will provide better performance . But do not forget that this gives other challenges. Nvidia has started in the end of the Maxwell life to push out poor quality chips and OCing will give you a nice challenge.

 

I had SLI then switched to a single 980 GTX. While SLI wins in synthetic benchmarks. It sucked in every game I played, ranging from bad SLI support or no SLI support altogether, very bad overclocking, and worst of all, very visible micro-stuttering which only a vigilant eye like mine can detect. Now with a single 980 GTX, I can overclock to 300 GPU / 400 Mem stable with a +125mV voltage, works in every game without the headaches of SLI! In addition to that, the Desktop Class 980 GTX has DSR which upscales the image to a higher resolution yet still leave you at the native screen resolution so you get superb detail of the higher screens while you're at your native resolution. DSR it not available on M GPUs. Never buying an SLI system ever after my bad experience recently with it. Count your blessings Mr. Papusan that you have a desktop class 980 GTX FTW

 

@Papusan

Did you see this video bro.....show cases the beauty of a desktop class GPU in a mobile notebook:

 

I could not agree more for all of those same reasons. I did have some games that worked great in SLI, but for every one that did I have a bunch more that didn't scale well or worked better on one card. SLI is great for synthetics for sure, and while I spend plenty of time benching, my real interest is in actually playing my games

 

Ditto! Need for Speed = no SLI support at all, so you're forced to run with one weak 980M, FIFA 16 = Horrible micro stuttering, The Division = Bad SLI Support. Far Cry 4 = Horrible SLI support. and the list goes on

Thus, running a single powerful card makes more sense and is more practical, in addition to the benefits of better overclocking capabilities, DSR, less headaches to worry about.

 

Honestly after all this I still think when pascal is available I will get 1080m sli. There are plenty of games i did not get the performance that I was getting with my 980 desktop as I am now . The games I'm having problems with don't break the experience for me.. I just hope better drivers get put out. Mr. Fox definitely helped me with my love for sli... As did Gtvevo.

 

I love benchmarking, but buy 980m SLI in the end of Maxwell's life wasn't a option for me. I know I get rid of my single 980 here at home later. Because everything is so damn expensive here. But buy a new series cards in the beginning/middle of the lifespan is better than in the end of the new graphics life. For me is benching a lot of fun. I don't game much because of the lack of time. Maybe later a time
Edit: If Pascal fit in P870 and isn't problem cards I will probably buy the setup who will give best bench results

Edit: I tink we will soon see a new Clevo owner in the thread http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...3-owners-lounge.770314/page-311#post-10264985

 

they say 1080m will later come with a version of 1080 in a laptop

 

For use, you are right. But buying old hardware that few use anymore means when you sweep the overclock leader's board, there is barely anyone to knock your score down (quick rise in the ranks of OCers)... Just saying.

 

Just think how great it will be when they come out with 1180M Ti Platinum Gamer Edition. Oh, the joy that will flood our souls.

 

Actually I hear the 1280's will make every previous gen seem like an IGP!

 

Yes, and it will be supported by the latest gamer-boy smartphones with 'huge' 6-inch 4K touch screens. It will come with NVIDIA GameWorks Portable Edition for iOS, Android, Windows Phone/10 OSes and include a nifty electron microscope monocle so you can see everything on the screen clearly. Those that pre-order will receive a Limited Edition GeForce monocle neck lanyard autographed by Jen-Hsun Huang. Everyone will be so excited that they will be doing their happy dances... Gangnam Style.

 

4K touchscreen? No... 8K is the new and all will be very happy

 

I don't understand entirely why you are mocking technological advancements

While 4k might be a bit early without many videos, it sure helps being there, and there will be more until the pixel density makes pixels not visible to human eye. At that point, no one will care anymore about resolution.

Until then, we still need more pixels.

 

Only because I find them absolutely miserable to deal with, and enjoying it is the most important thing. I hate smartphones for the most part, although they do have a few good uses that I leverage whenever I need to. I despise touch input on anything, including smartphones. I think they are super annoying to use, I find it ridiculous to watch others use them even when they should not (i.e. while driving) and I think it is a joke that they are actually regarded as an acceptable PC replacement by some people. To be fair, maybe one of the reasons I hate them so much is I have been using them for years at work (as a requirement) and I'm not impressed by anything I have used from Blackberry, Android, Windows or iPhone (and I have and/or do use at least one, often two, every day, all day). Now I am strictly Windows Phone and iPhone user. I hate my iPhone most of all, and it's my second one. The one I hate least is the sub-$60 Nokia Windows 8.1 phone, LOL. I derive zero pleasure from using my personal or business smartphones. Maybe if they had a 10+ inch screen with no slimy fingerprints and fully integrated qwerty keyboard I would enjoy using them a little more.

But, even more than I hate smartphones, at least 4 times more, I absolutely LOATHE 4K laptop screens... worse thing I have ever used in my life, and I have used several (3 or 4) laptops with 4K. I hated all of them. I have no idea why 4K is so popular because I find it horrible. I like 100% scaling (only) and 4K is more or less rendered unfit for use on a 17 inch screen or smaller screen at 100% scaling. At 200% text is readable, but you lose almost any benefit gained in terms of usable screen real estate. You end up with an overpriced screen that cannot fit much more onto it than 1080p at 200% scaling. It also ruins framerates if you try to play games at 4K. I might not hate it so bad on a 28 to 32 inch screen set at 100% scaling. And, if 4K did not look horrible when set down to 1080p at 100% I might not hate it so much. I think it looks amazing watching videos and staring at pictures, but those represent a very small portion of my time spent on a computer.

 

you took the words out of my mouth bro. I never knew you are like me and hated touch screen anything. I hate anything TOUCH. Period. Only using an iPhone SE now because I want a small phone with a stellar battery life that lasts me 3 days AND because there are no good physical keyboard phones anymore. Tried the PRIV and it was a huge fail, gigantic device with horrible battery life and contacts synchronization issues that deletes some contacts randomly after I add them due to the sync issues.

I don't know who's stupid idea was it to introduce 4K screens on a laptop. Pure marketing gimmick, nothing more, nothing less. I had a friend of mine buy a Lenovo Yoga laptop 6 months ago with a 4K screen, poor lady was about to tear her head apart @ 100% scaling since nothing was visible on her 15 inch laptop, then we had to do a 250% DPI scaling to make things readable, which in turn, made some apps have weird button layouts or cut off boarders. 4K is an absolute joke and no one in this world can convince me otherwise. I don't give a darn about higher pixel rate if my computer is gonna look like one big joke.

Don't forget the inability to run anything about 60hz and the increased battery usage if ever you wanted to go on battery power.

 

@Mr. Fox

In case you missed it:
How does anyone in his right mind buy a 4K screen laptop?

And for anyone who does have a 4K screen, please don't feel offended by my post. If it works for you then great and I am happy for you. Just not my thing at all. Either a 34 inch screen with 4K or 1080P FTW on anything smaller. (leaving aside the 1440p resolution which is great on a 27 inch monitor but nothing smaller)

just my 2 cents worth

 

A desktop 1080 clocked seems to handle 4k not too badly..... it will be interesting to see how these tweak.

 

Oh, I forgot that using instant messaging and text at work is a constant pain in the heiny, so the last thing I want to have anything to do with on a personal basis is trade texts or IM using a stinking smartphone. Having to use touch screen and touch keyboard, even with Swype, all the time is a horrible way to live. I've had people tell me it is because I am resistant to change and need to give it time, but I would say 5 years is enough time and think it is more of a resistance to stuff that sucks. Change is awesome when it doesn't suck, LOL.