*** Official Clevo P870DM/Sager NP9870-G Owner's Lounge - Phoenix has arisen! ***

Does anyone with the 4k gsync panel know any workarounds to getting the screen brightness to work? I don't care if I have to reboot or something slightly less convenient like that. I often work or play in a darkened room, watching movies/gaming etc, and the screen is crazy bright, I would rather run it low in those situations. That is really my only complaint as of now.

 

"Back in the day" I used to cut Neutral Density (ND) filters of varying blocking factors (partial darkness to total darkness blocking) to fit over the laptop screen to reduce brightness at night - even with brightness control they couldn't drop down far enough for use in total darkness - Astronomy.

 

There is no workaround, other than a hybrid BIOS. I'm not a big fan of gsync , so I just use a BIOS without gsync, at least that helps the eyes.
This BIOS, I'm talking about is not the stock one, it's a special build.

 

Try this old DimScreen app. I used to use it when AMD cards always had broken brightness control from crappy drivers back in the 6900M series days. I just tested it under Windows 10 on the P870DM-G and it seems to work. It does not actually dim the screen, but uses an invisible overlay to tone things down when you find it too bright for comfort.

This is a portable .exe file. Nothing gets permanently installed. When you launch it there will be a system tray icon. You can use that icon to change brightness. If you like how it works, configure it to run at startup. The percentage reflects the amount of dimming, not brightness, so it is the opposite of brightness percentage... in other words, 0% means not dimmed or 100% brightness.

http://www.donationcoder.com/Software/Skrommel/index.html#DimScreen

 

This tbh i used to do this and is pretty much ideal. I used to use an nd filter and f.lux https://justgetflux.com/
When i used to game in a bat cave enviroment.

 

Thanks to all who helped with this! I gave rep to everyone I could, can't give to Mr Fox again yet though, you are too helpful Mr Fox!

The screen dim app works great and is exactly what I needed. I've only used it a few mins but so far the only small issue is that when you right click that window shows up full brightness. I'll have use it a while and game with it to make sure there aren't any other issues but so far I am thrilled for such a simple solution!

You can control the dimness in 10% increments, is a simple portable exe that you don't need to install, it remembers your last settings and even has programmable + and - hotkeys that work. Perfect!

 

I am using 365.19 driver currently.
Anyone else experiencing some microstutter in Rise of the Tomb Raider at certain points on maps with a lot of dunamic foliage, like Geothermal Valley ? DX12 seems to make it smoother, but some microstutter still remains and with DX12 I also notice some frameskipping/stutter.

 

Wonder why the 4K screen upgrade is considerably more compared to the P770DM? With P770DM it's usually +200 but with the P870DM is +600 for the 4K.

Also, what's the color accuracy on the P870DM 4K? Adobe RGB and sRGB wise.

 

I think they are able to charge a premium for it since there is only one Prema place selling it(or at least I think it was that was at one time). You can indeed buy it yourself and install it much cheaper. I chose to pay the premium because I was getting a lower price that made up for it to an extent plus being covered under warranty and not taking the chance of screwing something up was worth it to me.

This link says Adobe 100%, can that be right? I am no expert and usually prefer things brighter/colors to pop more than "natural" but to me this screen is perfect. Makes all my other displays look washed out (to me).

http://www.panelook.com/B173ZAN01.0_AUO_17.3_LCM_overview_25358.html

 

theyre different displays altogether. the 4K in the phoenix is the only one offering 100% Adobe RGB (NOT just sRGB, big difference!), whereas the other 4K from Sharp only offers 100% sRGB.

 

There is an upcoming chi mei offering it not yet available. If you search, you can find a sample from distributors in China.

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Only one prema store selling it? HID-Evoc/Eurocom?

 

Mythlogic sells it in their shop, and are a Prema partner. But it is also $645 for the upgrade there too.

 

I'm thinking of just parting out my desktop then when the 1080s are available just get two for the P870DM. Maybe I'm being crazy lol

 

Great stuff coming out of Computex!

http://videocardz.com/60935/geforce...a-pg611-board-spotted-gp102-400-gpu-confirmed






Seems like a mobile 1070/1080? Can't really tell if the memory is just GDDR5 or GDDR5X based on the photograph.

 

Of course anything used on a show floor may be an engineering sample and no conclusions should be drawn just yet.

 

Honestly? I'd stick with the desktop considering what you have. I'd quicker upgrade that than anything else. Unless you really need the laptop. I love laptops and all but there's highway robbery going on with them lately.

 

Considering it matches memory speeds of a 1070, I'd say that. If they are gimping 1080s with 8ghz instead of 10ghz gddr5x, I'll be mad! Doesn't make sense to being the 5x down to 8, unless the cost is much less than 8ghz gddr5 qualified ram

It also doesn't match the core count of either desktop card, so may be a 980 (need to check specs).

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Is that red Mustang yours? That's gorgeous.

If you want to get that desktop off the carpet so it can breathe cleaner air, I used to lay a couple of cinder blocks down and set the desktop on top of them, and that works great... not to mention very inexpensive. If you have something other than carpet flooring, sticking some rubber or felt pads on the bottom will prevent scratching the floor finish.

I'd do one or the other, but not both (speaking of Pascal upgrades). It's a waste of money to have both, and unless you have so much of the filthy green stuff that you can afford to waste it, doing both just doesn't make good sense. Even if you never upgrade the P870DM it is going to be a beast that performs very well for a long time. It doesn't need to be upgraded to 1080 to be awesome.

 

Yeah that's what i was thinking, of just selling my Fury X and buying a single GTX 1080 Classified card. Then when the big boys (GP102 and Vega) come out, get those.

Yes it is, thanks!

I'm actually moving this month and the new place has hardwood floor lol.

The GTX 980 can only play two of my games @ 4K @ Ultra so I will probably end up just upgrading the GPU on my desktop and lowering settings on the laptop. Definitely can't afford to upgrade both unless I sell my kidney. Then maybe I can also supercharge my car. LOL

 

Memory clocks have traditionally been lower due to design limitations of the MXM modules and signal integrity.

 

From what @Prema shared from Computex, it sounds like 120Hz FHD is going to be a bolt-in upgrade possibility for the P870DM. I know you like the 4K, but that might be a better option. I'm eager to find out if that is definitely going to be possible. I'll probably do that as an upgrade if it is. I know I will lose G-STINK, but I don't care about that feature anyway. It would be a win-win upgrade... 120Hz awesomeness and never have to manually disable G-STINK since it will (hopefully) be broken and vanish from NVCP... one less worthless NGREEDIA gimmick that I have to turn off.

 

If the user is crazy or adventurous enough like a few of us here, the upgrade costs about $300 tops if you do it in your own.

 

*sigh* gouged again we are. $300 for the panel and it's over double to get it in a purchase.

 

About $200 for the panel and $100 for the cable.
I actually got mine for $170 + shipping.
But then again if something goes wrong with the panel, there won't be any direct support.

 

Even so... you could buy three panels and a single cable for the price of it in the machines we buy. Remember, buying from a vendor has it as $645+ OVER the default panel. That means as far as they're concerned it costs more than the "upgrade" price, and that more is simply eaten up in your laptop's base cost already.

 

Yeah, the price they are charging for a 4K panel with broken brightness control and zero overclocking capacity is totally asinine. The ONLY way that makes even a little bit of good sense moneywise if you really want 4K is to do it yourself. Another point to support your valid argument against ordering one with 4K is you have a spare LCD and cable, should you ever need it. Having a stash of spare parts on hand is a great thing. When something breaks or fails, it is never convenient and having to send the machine to Clevo to get fixed really sucks. They are not known for doing anything in a speedy fashion... seems like it always takes them 2+ weeks to do simple things.

 

Agreed. I even had one of the sellers (not HIDE) tell me over the phone that its not possible to do it on your own and it needs special "mounting brackets" lol.
It is easy as pie if you know what you are doing and know how to put things back. Nothing special was needed and the panel fits snugly without needing anything special.

Yeap, i always keep my FHD panel at hand. It was invaluable to check when my GPU died if the LCD parts were bad or if it was the GPU.

 

How hard is it to swap out the panel? Is there any guides for it?

And according to @bloodhawk the 4K panel with near 100% sRGB and Adobe RGB is 300+100$ for cable?

Or is it just cheaper to get a professional monitor?


EDIT: holy mother of god
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...p870dm-g-from-fhd-to-4k-picture-guide.787821/
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Is there an option for FHD with 100% Adobe RGB?





@Mr. Fox - I just sold my AW18 on ebay (1605usd), only 10$ profit factoring the ebay fees but at least I'm not stuck with an EOL'd machine...

 

By the way the 4k model comes with a PCI-E SSD and ram upgrade (2x16GB) as standard as well as the panel.

 

Its pretty easy actually, i made these highly professional videos for ma man @Phoenix :





But before referring to my videos i would recommend checking out the guide you linked above and @Mr. Fox 's video.

The cost is usually around $200 (for display) and $100 (cable). I actually have an extra cable for sale here : http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/fs-40-pin-4k-edp-cable-for-clevo-p870dm-g.790469/

Professional monitors with this type of gamut will be at least $600+.

I couldn't find any FHD panels that do anything over 80% Adobe RGB.

 

There were some older ones but they were TN and a different connector. Colour coverage was a low priority of the first batch of eDP displays it seems.

 

Exactly, im not sure how and from where Dell/HP source their high gamut displays though. Their part numbers are always messed up in the firmware.
Some of the HP Dreamcolor FHD panels were pretty good.

 

How about 99% ARGB and 100% SRGB? Not sure what color gamut is :|

http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&cs=19&l=en&sku=210-AHCI

Pretty cheap on ebay too.

 

That is a pretty good monitor, problem is that its discontinued. It was the successor to the amazing U2410. Its uses a different version of the panel used in the U2410, but the same problems plague both of them. These panels after extended use over a few months, develop a weird tint. EIZO also uses the same panels in some of their displays, but they cherry pick them to make sure that does not happen.

But if 99% ARGB is all you need, then you should be good to go. But i wouldn't buy these from ebay. Because of the tint issue i mentioned above, i recently purchased a U2410 for a friend well knowing what happens to these panels and it ended being the exact case, the monitor has yellowish tint towards the bottom right. So i ordered a new panel only for the monitor and going to just swap that out. Total cost? $150 ($100 for U2410 and $50 for the panel - http://www.ebay.com/itm/131699465401?_trksid=p2060353.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK:MEBIDX:IT.

The U2410 used : LG LM240WU4-SLB1
and the U2413 : LG LM240WU4-SLA1

Same family, slightly better panel, but same issues.

 

Oh damn, now I see why they go so low on ebay...




What's the NTSC gamut range on the B173ZAN01.0? More than 72%?

Because I find a BenQ monitor that doesn't cost much.

http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/benq_bl2710pt.htm

 

I think about 96%, at least from those volumes, i haven't seen anyone mentioning NTSC coverage tbh.
Here is a quick screen shot i had lying around with the default profile :


Found this quick link for reference : https://www.noteloop.com/kit/display/color-space/ntsc-1953/

After calibration the ARGB volume went up to around 122% and DCI P3 to about 126% in the measurement report.

 

Any idea if I can find a eDP to DP/HDMI cable?

 

Not really, you might need to splice one up. Easiest way would be to just use a controller board. Those will give you a lot of freedom when it comes to converting to different interfaces/connectors.



The main reason being, the the number of pins being used is completely different. AFAIK its not possible to directly convert EDP to HDMI/DP. You will need to go through a controller of sorts.

 

You sure it's close to 95% NTSC? That's impressive for a panel only 300$ to upgrade...

Found another one, but NTSC report under 80...

Samsung S32D850T

 

Nope, im not really sure. Because i haven't really met anyone yet who mentions the NTSC coverage as a benchmark of how good the monitor is. From all the reading i just did, NTSC just seems to be a slightly better version of sRGB. So nothing really all that good. Also i saw a bunch of sellers advertise laptop panels as high NTSC coverage, when the sRGB coverage seems to be rather average, and the ARGB coverage is just trashy at best.

The figure i mentioned above is basically an approximate based off of the reference link.

That Samsung monitor has 100% sRGB, nothing special. And for that price, its kinda expected. Arent we looking for monitors with 95% + ARGB coverage?

I really wouldn't base a monitor purchase on the NTSC coverage figure, because there doesn't seem to be a clear point of reference. For example the Samsung above, with 100% sRGB and 80% NTSC? So the ARGB will be in the low 70's at best?

 

DP

 

Have a hard time choosing!

Though the samsung is only 400 on ebay, new...

 

For the price, its a great 4k monitor. Except I need to purchase an enclosure of some sorts.

 

Not a big fan of 32 inch monitors

Max i can bear is a 27 inch display.

 

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monitor is 250 (consider shipping)
cable can be bought from bloodhawk 100
cardboard enclosure made from antistatic plastic and dorito boxes? how much would this cost?

 

You are that TK421 guy!

Is this within your price range?

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/benq-sw2700pt-27-inch-qhd-professional-monitor,4374.html

Having weird mobile display for desktop seems a bit weird.. and only 17inch. Cardbox is a problem yes, and there is the cost of building the controller.

 

On OCN? Yeah , that's my username.

 

Not really, tons of them for less than $200 :
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odk...0.XB173ZAN01.0.TRS0&_nkw=B173ZAN01.0&_sacat=0

• http://www.ebay.com/itm/UHD-4K-LCD-...778371?hash=item417883cf03:g:gcsAAOSwv-NWXTx2
• http://www.ebay.com/itm/UHD-4K-LCD-...092486?hash=item1a1175f3c6:g:hJIAAOSwAvJXB3EP
• http://www.ebay.com/itm/17-3-Panaso...378404?hash=item3aa0c52764:g:f2oAAOSwYmZXM~KE
• http://www.ebay.com/itm/4K-UHD-17-3...647383?hash=item33b71fcf97:g:N2QAAOSwvU5XNC9A