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Can you help get this sorted? It would be much appreciated. They said there was a bug in the vbios about brightness control so they're waiting on that.

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Also, another question.

As far as -possible- upgradability goes - is it actually possible that it will be easier to upgrade a P870DM with a 980m MXM chip to pascal, than a 980 to pascal?

I ask because, with the slightly different internals for the 980, I'm -assuming- that if nVIDIA does release a fancy 1070m on 3.0b, then it wont be a simple swap, in the way it MIGHT be for a 980m MXM machine?

All speculation of course. Just want to make sure I'm purchasing the most upgrade-ready machine possible. A 980m is more than enough for me right now... but if it makes no difference between buying a 980m or 980, as far as future upgradability goes, then I'd be daft not to grab the 980, right?

Sigh

 

Both the 980 and 980m use the same mxm socket. The 980 is wider and so you can't do SLI. So it doesn't matter which you gpu you get now.

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Looks like that guy is running 980m in sli. Not supported cards or config.

Working for him which is great but I've still yet to see a 980 laptop in this chassis running an oculus.

Hard to know if htc modded theirs at all to run.

I'm looking for a consumer who plugged one in and worked. Thus far haven't heard from one.

I've heard a few 980m unsupported cards working for now and one lonely guy who used a mini display adaptor (but dozens who said that didn't work).

The reason I'm looking for anyone who might have run it on a 980 card is so I know if something on my rig needs fixed or of the oculus I have is bad.

If it's truly the way the rig is set up then sager needs to either fix people's rigs so they will actually run VR or stop advertising them as VR ready.

 

Great. Makes my decision much easier.
Any reason you went with the FHD? They're currently out of stock of that panel, so I was considering taking the plunge for the 4K G-Sync.

 

My friend tried his Dk2 on my system and it worked. Im not sure what it means for the final retail version, but it worked without issues.
Sometimes its just finicky with the cable, and sometimes its the drivers.

 

$400+ AUD for 4k? no thanks.

 

The 4k display is a technological wonder for what it's supposed to do.

that is perfect image quality with 100% adobeRGB color space covering.

Let me put this into page as a software developer. 4k on a 17" is way too small to be comfortable. I mean, it would be, but would have to stay with the dead at a 5-25cm distance from display to read text on 4k native. That's not how laptops are used lol.

But for someone who watches movies, or anime, or does rendering or does work with graphics, or draws digitally, one of those 4k displays is absolutely amazing! It's the thing!


Now, coming with our feet back on earth for a second, I absolutely, 100% with 100% certainity want that display. But it has build flaws that cannot be overcome. Like the refresh rate. It's capped at 60Hz. But let me quote notebookcheck

The 4K display performs decently in the reaction tests. About 6-18 ms when changing from black to white and 14-27 ms when changing from gray to gray

This means, that depending on shade, refresh rate is about 37 Hz, instead of 60, because if the time to change reaches 27ms, it's way above the max 16.6 needed to achieve 60Hz refresh rate.

On my never ending research, I came to the conclusion that it would be infinitely better to buy an external 4k display, which would have somewhat better numbers. But then, how good is the display port or HDMI for 4k at 60fps? And where can one find a 4k display with 100% asobeRGB for a somewhat sane price, and a similar good construction? I'm still searching,...

 

i wonder what prema's bios has that the stock doesn't?

 

Basically everything!

https://biosmods.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/sky-x9/

Edit:

 

Also keep in mind that 980 (laptop) are harder to resell since it doesn't fit/isn't supported by many laptops unlike 980m.

 

Do not forget that it is more urgent to upgrade to a better graphics if you have the <old> 980m. 980 will still keeps up for a while. A cheaper option if you still can use what you have And what will come later... Who knows.

 

Am still pondering, especially now that 980 prices are lowering, if a 980m or a 980 would suffice for 4k. People keep telling me that the answer is not, but (being impaired by a 860m at the moment), I never played in absolute ultra anyways when I played games, but that extra horse power sure would be welcome for programming games...

Such a bad moment for needing an upgrade, eh?

 

4K gaming is the same as hope for to much... Too early!!

 

Let's say we play a game, like Star craft II in 4k, without maxing everything, and with zero AA, it should work at 60fps in 4k and a 980m, no?

Or Dota 2, in 4k and max everything, should work at 60fps, no?

I mean, skyrim will probably won't work with AA, but if we disable AA and leave it to 4k does it work with everything else to max and solid 60fps? (I still am waiting to be 100% sure on buying this exact thing, so cannot test myself. I am sitting here alone, with a 860m )

XD

 

P.S. I want to get 980m or 980 desktop laptop, to connect to a 4k display, as it seems that getting the internal display might break text for me, and I work a lot of programming, and being unable to read text would really be counter productive,...

 

Next level for laptop screens should be 3K and not the jump up to 4K...!
Nvidia might have a hand in what the display manufacturers should and can make? 4K = Nvida can still milk!!! A possible 200w 1080(TI) + 3K screen would have meant that you could have your laptop for a longer time for gaming and other things. But this isn't something NGreedia would like happens.

 

Nvidia have had more of a role with G-sync validation but it's very limited. It's what the mainstream machines are requesting that dictate what panels are out there.

 

Looking forward to when mine ships this week. Here's hoping @Prema gets the vbios to metabox soon.

Hate to nag about that.

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Apparently metabox got the updated vbios from @Prema so it'll be shipped out tomorrow. Fingers crossed it will have the correct vbios.

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What do you mean by this? I guess I see 4k/60hz as the best case for g-sync since most games at 1080 or 1440 will not need it and will be running much higher FPS anyway. G-sync is most notable making choppy(under 60) frame rates feel smoother like 60. What I call the butter zone is 40+ fps. This is perfectly suited for 4k as some titles struggle maintaining 60 at 4k but many can do 40+.

 

Because the latest AAA titles can barely manage 30fps at 4k using a 980/980ti. And if you use a high refresh display and are used to playing at high frame rates, specially multi-player games, it really starts becoming rather annoying.
Also i have yet to notice any tearing under 60fps.

 

Oh that's fine then, I read your comment as g-sync as being pointless at 4k but not other resolutions, I think we both agree it will have much higher merit at 4k than any other resolution

 

So I got oculus working with a 4K Mini DisplayPort adapter.

This isn't an official setup and it appears the HDMI port on the sager 9870 isn't actually capable of running VR

I've reached out to sager for comment on are they going to address the VR readiness when it only works with an unsupported workaround.

 

As i mentioned before, the DK2 works just fine over HDMI for me. The CV1 however doesn't for loads of people as per the occulus forums.
I have the laptop with me at work, will be trying the VIVE today. But from what i have read, that should work without issues. Will update once i try it.

There is no reason for it to have issues like that, for people using it with the 980m which is an unsupported card, they have had no issues,its causing problems only for people with the 980 200W. Which makes me believe it isn't entirely the systems fault.

Heck i got rather agitated reading some of the replies by the Occulus reps on their forums, who have been totally ignorant of the fact that people aren't having issues with the unsupported mobile card but with the full fledged desktop version, and they just continue to ignore this. They dont even want to understand that the dGPU on this system doesn't go through the Intel GPU.

 

Just go with the Vive instead then. My time on the oculus and its forums also left a bitter aftertaste.
Together with the genius idea to sell CV1 before the hand tracking was ready. Smh.

 

My whole decision on the rift was that I didn't have a ton of room for room scale and I will be on the move with this daily. I literally take the whole setup to work every night. The oculus can be put in its case and set up in 2mins. The Vive not so much. To take that down and put it up every day would be a bear.

It's running now. We shall see how long it lasts. But I've heard nightmare service on both of them.

That said I am a fan of the steam controller so might actually like the Vive controllers. Waiting for oculus touch to hit.

In any case the oculus is bought And I can't imagine a return will be any smoother than support is.

 

I just tried the Vive Dev Kit and it worked fine over HDMI.

I cant say for the retail support, but the dev support at work has been great for the Vive, ill have to ask our Occulus developer what the feedback was like on the Occulus support.

 

Thanks. Honestly the oculus is super light and comfortable. I was surprised how much so. Setup is also amazingly quick.

I can unpack my laptop and have it setup in 2mins.

I have not tried the Vive but from what I've heard setup is more complicated and less portable and the headset is heavier.

The heavy I can live with but buying tripods and lugging those to and from work every day just isn't doable. Maybe version 2 will go with Vive if they can clean up the setup.

 

Yeah the VIVE is a pain to setup. At the moment its more of a preference thing. But personally i like the Vive's immersion more than the occulus' rooted down form of VR.

 

Clevo/sager confirmed that the 980 laptop does not have an HDMI port on the card. They just learned of the issue this week and if you talk to your dealer they can contact sager/clevo and they will send you a Mini DisplayPort that will fix the issue. They are currently working with suppliers and nvidia to see what's holding up the HDMI port.

Big thanks to Larry at LPC Digital for getting with them and confirming the issue. Apparently they were unaware. This is likely an issue for all the nvidia laptop 980 cards and not just sager/clevo.

So as a recap anyone wanting to run VR (at least oculus retail) will need a 4K Mini DisplayPort adaptor to HMDI cable. Check with your seller and they can likely have one shipped to you free.

Unclear if this is also an issue with the Vive. Both require the HDMI to be plugged directly into the video card but the 980 laptop card does not have a built in HDMI port.
Nvidia fail though maybe an update later will resolve the HDMI port.

 

Thanks for the update. Will help a lot of users looking into VR.

The Vive Dev Kit and the Occulus DK2 seem to be working fine on my end directly plugged in. (work units)

Also this seems to be a thing mainly related to the 980 200/180 W card. From what i gathered from the occulus forums. Anyone tried the retail Vive yet?

 

Yeah. Sounds like a software issue that nvidia didn't address when they made he cards.

I informed oculus so their tech can steer people in the right direction and hopefully so they talk with Nvidia to get he software updates and fix the issue. Nvidia shouldn't be selling a card as VR ready when you have to buy cables and do an unofficial work around.

At least sager is also going to touch base with them to work on a more permanent solution. Apparently until Larry and myself told them they had no idea the cards weren't working. Very happy to see how quick they are on it though.

 

I'm excited to say mine turned up this morning... just in the process of setting it all up now. Turns out Metabox are out of stock of spare AC adapters, so there's a 2+ week delay on that being shipped, but everything else seems just spiffy for now... I hope yours ships today as stated, and that you're happy with your unit too!

Thanks to @Prema for getting in touch with Metabox and sorting out the vBios!!

 

Got a delivery today....





Laptop bag

The wait continues.

I'd be interested to know if the cv Vive works as thats going to be my next purchase.

 

When was your dispatch date? Mine is today and I hope it arrives on Friday in time for the weekend. Where are you based so i can get a rough idea of delivery time.

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Mine was down for shipping yesterday. Was picked up by Startrack Express (Aus Post) at 5:18pm Perth time (I'm in Sydney so that's 7:18pm for me), and I got the confirmation email + tracking number not long after. They seem to ship with Startracks "flat rate overnight" so you should get yours next day from when it is picked up. Good luck!!

 

Cool, I am also in Sydney so the delivery time should roughly be the same.

Edit: i have mine go to the office so I can collect it in person.

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still no confirmation yet. it's like they're actively messing with me!

edit: i guess it missed it's expected dispatch date.

edit 2: it did after all lol

so hopefully i get it and spend all night just setting it up.

 

They are having issues using using DP to HDMI active converters on the 1080 in desktop land now while the 980 series was ok with this. Nvidia obviously have a bit of work to do.

 

I think we had a similar issue with the Titan X and the Quadro M5000 with one of the recent drivers. Even though the diagnostics came out just fine when in Scientific Linux.

 

It was the 980Ti that had work under the same conditions to the 1080 which did not.

 

Max is 9.5" mm and of course is work. I have personally 2x 2.5 ssd 2tb

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1tb ssd m2 is available by samsung 850 evo

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With Tlc V-nand
http://www.anandtech.com/show/9023/the-samsung-ssd-850-evo-msata-m2-review/11

 

Best to avoid TLC, it burns off faster than mac books under load.

Not one to complain, but the wear rate is much worse than MLC. Not to say MLC is bad by any means, but many sources tell tales of TLC not being advised.

 

I haven't forgot the Evo problems. And why trust Samsung and Tlc nand? Even its new tech. No thanks.

 

I no longer trust Samsung. All three of my 840 EVO 1TB drives are still doing fine, but I've read too many horror stories about their cheap consumer SSDs. I got all three 1TB drives for free, so I can't complain even if they end up not lasting very long. They are about 2 years old now and no issues yet, thank goodness.

 

I have not heard any rumours about them not being very good.

What are the more reliable SSDs then? Keeping really sensitive data would need something. And between uploading to a cloud and HDDs and SSDs, SSDs look best, at least on paper.

something like HyperX?

 

You can read about the miserable 840 Evo all over the internet. I'm still fond of my 850 Pro although it's Samsung. And other love Sandisk Extreme pro ssd's. Both with MLC nand!!