*** Official Clevo P870DM/Sager NP9870-G Owner's Lounge - Phoenix has arisen! ***

4:10 onwards, he say that the razer core work with NP9870/P870DM



@thegh0sts @bloodhawk @Mr. Fox @Papusan @Phoenix

 

Nice! That seems like a much better option than spending thousands of dollars on a new Clevo to replace the one I have owned for 2.5 months.

This is remarkably different than the "Alienware approach" to using an eGPU as a crutch for a pathetic BGA turdbook. In this case we are making an Über-beast more Über.

Edit: Wonder if he is assuming or actually verified it? Watching the video now to find out.

 

Yeap, i even posted in the OC Thread.
But im wondering if a proper firmware will make any difference or not.

 

Not tempted personally I'd rather have it all in the laptop not with an external mini pic looking like box

 

Even if the cost doesn't justify having it in the laptop ?
Just curious, i would rather have a Core + a GPU i can change any time i want and which costs less than half of the MXM counterparts.
Thats just me though. Rather tired of these over inflated prices for gimped cards.
Or just go Desktop and use that GPU in there later on down the line.

 

Oh, me too... 100% but, I'm not buying a new laptop to get it. I've already got a new one, less than 3 months old, and this would be a potential workaround to being screwed out of upgrades by proprietary crap. I think the best solution is to spend nothing whatsoever and start saving for my next desktop build so I don't have to put up with this kind of crap in the future. I don't think I am buying any more expensive laptops ever again because of this. Homey don't play dat.

Knowing my luck, and the volatile state of things, even if I bought a new DM3 with 1080 SLI history would repeat itself and the DM3 would leave me at a dead end by either more proprietary GPU crap or Clevo eventually wussing out and surrendering their soul to the BGA demons. Fool me once...

 

Seems like we are forced to buy a new taptop with every CPU or GPUupgrade, not so different than BGA

How much is that razor core and where to get it

 

$499 from razer directly

 

At least the razer core isn't proprietary like the AGA.


@Phoenix - linus say at the end of the video it's better to build a small gaming desktop. He used an X99 22-core cpu with GTX1080 in the dancase.


@ssj92 - it's 500, not 499. Christ...

 

"but bga is thin and light"

see video below starting at 0:30 about what you tradeoff for that "thin and light" advantage

Spoiler

Thin and Light machines are a compromise

They trade performance, overclocking headroom, upgrade options, thermal management, and overall quality for one thing: size

 

Right... and, as I previously posted, it can make a beast laptop more beastly. Alienware's proprietary solution is a crutch for a wimpy BGA suckbook.

 

Yeah, regrettably that is the current scenario.
And i have a feeling there is going to be more crap coming our way once the 6700k successors are revealed.

I would suggest waiting on the Core, since in a few months similar products will be out from other companies.

$399 if you are able to get a discount code from somewhere.

 

I'm just hoping they'll release an AW18 R2 with proper z170 OC support and optional AGA port for those who want to use it.


Maybe it'll bring svl7 back into the market, who knows?

 

They are NOT going to do desktop CPUs, they've mentioned this many times.

The best you can even hope for would be a 6820HK cpu with dual MXM 1080s or 1070s at best.

Or even an all BGA fest, a 6820HK with soldered SLI 1070s (similar to the Aourus X7 etc).

They will most likely keep their current lineup though and just refresh the GPUs.

 

Hard to say. It would be nice to have another competitor to keep things on center in high performance notebooks. But, they've got a tough row to hoe winning back the trust of those they have abandoned and left for dead. I'd be skeptical of anything they would do, especially after seeing how they have gimped their desktops this go 'round. They are cheapskates and cheaters.

 

Shift+F5 3 or 4 times, finally get the page to display correctly and *BAM* -- another dupe.

Gotta love that XenForo LOL.

 

if bga then they'll compete directly with msi gt83 and gt73

and msi has has a practice with the GT80, while alienware has a botched experience with the aw18 fiasco

 

Leaked specs on the Zen 8 core 95W TDP is 2.9ghz, 3.2 boost, 4MB L2, 16MB L3, 14nm. When compared to Intel 5960X 3.0ghz, 3.3GHz, 2MB L2, 20MB L3, 140W TDP, 22nm, and with the Zen chip being ES A01 revision, it may be able to do the job in a desktop (or a laptop considering TDP is the same as the 4790K and 6700K), so long as it doesn't run hot and overclocks like a beast. Time will tell, but the cost is a quarter of an Intel octa-core (rumors put it at around $200-250), making it a real contender for a desktop build (considering it now has SMT)...

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I saw an AMD enthusiast grade (MSI I think) mobo in an email ad from either Fry's or Micro-Center (don't remember which) the other day for under $20 after MIR. If they can match or exceed 6700K performance that would be a pretty huge milestone for AMD. They haven't been any good at making high performance CPUs since the P4/Athlon days. They're still no good at making high peformance GPUs. Looks like the new 480 is a low budget gamer-boy piece of trash. Plus, I don't know how I could deal with the idea of an AMD CPU and an NVIDIA GPU. Seems too weird to me. I know some people do it, but there's just something about it that seems way wrong.

 

Well, the on paper comparison puts performance at 5820K to 5930K, but no benchmark leaks yet to verify... If true, and a good OC, it may just meet your needs.

As to the GPU decision, I get it. The largest segment is the budget segment of purchasers. They need money to pay back debt due in 2018. They are pushing to get the largest amount by selling volume, then release the fury line and 490 this 4Q to 1Q. This also explains no 1080 Ti yet, to squash any boost for the Greenland release. Greenland and APUs are waiting on HBM2 availability.

Meanwhile, I don't care if I use Nvidia with AMD. You no longer have more than support for two cards, so once game designers use the crossover for using both amd and Nvidia, it makes sense to have two of the top for each (Fury X successor and 1080 TI or Titan X(P))... If the results on the CPU (including OC) are at 5930K levels or above, it seems like a no brainer (and get a quality AM4 board). Otherwise, get the server AMD board and buy the 24 or 32 core CPU....

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remember that AMD designs extremely high end PCBs for their reference card compared to nGreedia

better aftermarket support also, the RX480 has elmor's EVC to change/add voltage while nvidia guys are stuck at 1.093v for the 1080 due to extreme pcb/bios/controller gimp

just that AMD's actual chip performance itself is not high end






you can get the same quality of pcb with nvidia but must pay a lot more extra money for EVGA classified, msi Lightning etc etc

The classy/KP cards are also best to buy for extreme OC, the person who is sponsored by evga will provide support for XOC bios, mod tutorial and whatnot in the kingpincooling forum

 

Well, if @bloodhawk finds the core works well with the TB 3 like Linus said it does in his video, I'm all set and ready with some special @Prema magic on my side.

 

@Mr. Fox

Good work bro.. But dam, I had no idea that the chip had to be pulled off to flash and soldered back to work.

 

Yeah, not the normal ez pz mod.

 

Time to skill up. As far as soldering goes was it difficult?

 

I have a done a bunch of hobbyist SMD soldering before, so it was pretty easy for me. Even @Mr. Fox , has a way of easily pulling chips off without using a hot air station. So not all that difficult, just not for the faint hearted people.
Using a Hot Air station will obviously make things easier, but thats another bag of kittens.

 

Intimidating? Hell yeah. Hard, no. It's only the thought that you could screw something up, but that makes you extra careful. Once you have done it a few times it's not too nerve racking. The only thing that requires extra caution is pulling on the chip before the solder is melted. That will pull the pads off the PCB and can ruin whatever you are working on.

I have a hot air station, but I find it easier with just a simple soldering iron with a sharp pointed tip. @Prema turned me on to this video. This is the technique I use and it has never let me down. It keeps you from pulling on the legs and tearing the pads off because the wire does all the work. Just gentle tension on the wire, when the solder melts it wire slips between the leg and pad.

This was the second time I have removed the TB3 chip on a P870DM-G and I have replaced 3 BIOS chips on various laptops in the past 6 or 8 months.



The hot air station is an absolute necessity for some things, like adding extra MOSFETs to 980M GPUs or replacing bad ones. I have used it for that. But, you have to be careful not to get other things hot. When you have open access to the soldered joints like these chips it is not necessary to use a hot air station. Using the soldering iron nothing gets hot except for what you touch with the iron. So, you're at no risk of melting solder where you don't want it to melt.

 

i get audio popping now where it crackles then the audio levels go down a low volume/muffled.

EDIT: restored to a point before i installed No Man's Sky. will see if it works.

nope.

 

WARNING... DONT INSTALL Latest version CC v5.0001.0.73!!
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...u-entry-come-from.794904/page-2#post-10314891

 

Nice to finally see some more discussion on the Razer Core. I will be picking up one of these soon (I will get the 100 dollar discount as I also bought a blade)... looking forward to putting a nice beefy GPU inside it. Not to get off this threads topic just adding in my two cents!

 

Thank you for the warning @Papusan

 

nVIDIA NDA on Pascal GPU’s for laptops has lifted...no more waiting...check your favorite dealer's website for details.

 

The beast is out But where can we get one to upgrade our machines?? Anyone?

 

Contact resellers for the time wait and availability...

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So with the NDA lifted, here come some questions:

1. So has it been confirmed yet if we can 1080 sli in our old (but not that old) P870DM-G? If so, has anyone found their/a reseller willing to ship the parts, or do the upgrade?

2. Have the lighting options on the keyboard & chassis been improved any?

3. Can the new 5ms 4k g-sync display fit in the current chassis?

 

Right now we are SOL. They are not selling the upgrade parts yet.

 

So... Guys it looks that Clevo screwed us pretty nice. We paid not small price for P870DM's and it's upgradeability.
It is sure that we won't smell 1080 SLI. And probably... we won't even smell single 1080 and 1070 SLI. 4 months and EOL/totally obsolete...

 

Yes, that is exactly how I feel with what I have now.

 

Me too. I made aloot of savings for my P870DM... and I wanted to instantly upgrade it to single 1080. And now it seems that won't be possible. Well, if they wont make upgrade kits for our Clevo's, I'll definitely sell mine and go for MSI or Asus... At lest they are as hell cheaper... Coz it seems there is no reason to pay premium price for impossible upgrade...

 

Sounding like no SLI for our old P870DM not even 1070 SLI.

I might get rid of mine.

 

Wait for around two months, I spoke with HIDEvolution and they told me that the 1080 mxm is not compatible at least for now. So someone will definitely try it, but we won't be able to upgrade immediately

 

If i wait 2 months and it still won't be upgradeable, laptop will loose pretty a loot value that I can't afford in such situation. Clevo probably (consciously) served us pretty rotten egg.

 

Looks like alot of us got the p870dm for the same reason. Very much doubt the new versions will be have upgradable gfx. Worse thing is at the event in london nvidia were claiming how gaming laptops have taken off and how much more they expect it to go in the next 5 years. At least they dhould leave some sort of upgrade path.

 

As much as we would like to sell our p870dms, no one would buy it unless the price is really low

 

concede defeat, make the most of it and wait for cannonlake + 1180

though i suspect that some people who have the money to burn will still try and put a 1080 into the P870DM-G....I might not be one of them though i'll be contemplating an ultrawide monitor as the next best thing.

 

Yes, that is true. Someone will be crazy enough to put one in the p870dm-g, but it might take a while or at least when the parts are available.

 

If I can't get a single 1080 MXM or eGPU Housing support for mine, then I'm done with Clevos.

What's the point of a Thunderbolt port or a socketed GPU if there's no upgrade path? May as well just solder the damn things into the mobo and call it a one-and-done laptop.

 

I kinda felt and saw this coming when thy had the "desktop 980 for laptops". I knew there was no way they would produce two types of cards very much longer.

 

Forgive me for not digging through everything but are the current models not even supporting the 1070s? Or is it only 1080s we can't upgrade to?

 

I was under the impression the 4k screen had a 25ms response time.