*** Official Clevo P870DM/Sager NP9870-G Owner's Lounge - Phoenix has arisen! ***

Just noticed that SM961 and delidded 6700K (stock, non-silicon lottery) is now an option at HIDEvolution for P870DM3. Now all I need is the G-Sync 1080p 120hz screen to be available and then this will be the perfect laptop build.

Edit: oops, meant to put this in the p870dm3 thread

 

They probably just used us to get back some of the R&D money & test the waters, with no concern for our upgrade path. Even when they started working on the DM2/3 they could care less about us apparently.

 

Time to raise the pitch forks i guess. Sad thing is that Clevo wont do **** about it. Last ditch effort will be to use the MSI 1080's with a entirely custom heat sink.

 

They have used a single PCB across all the MXM slot models, this was the cheapest way (and most sensible as an engineer) to go about it due to no reference designs from Nvidia.

The idea of doing a run of standard MXM 1070s is not bad though. 1080s is as most cooling systems will not do well with them and GDDR5x is a lot more picky about PCB requirements.

 

Either ways. We are screwed. And this laptop will be barely worth anything once the Q1 AAA titles come out next year.

Trying to go standard doesn't change the fact they ****ed over the existing customers.

 

If you can get one or two 1070s working in it then that would solve that issue.

Maybe I am just de-sensitised to the prospect of moving caps and doing other things to get parts to fit:

 

Where's a good place to sell our 870's? Also thinking of selling mine as well.

 

One 1080 or 1070 can be made to work by doing a bit of dremel work on the frame. But fitting 2 will be impossible. The slots are not far apart, not to mention that the rigidity of the frame might be compromised.
Im even open to moving some components around, about to wire DIP sockets for the TB3 and BIOS chip.
End of the day the cards are a bit too long and wide on the left side.
MSI1080 however will fit without issues, but will need an entirely custom heat sink.

 

Why would it need to be entirely custom?

 

Because you have to splice the P870 heat pipe arrangement onto the MSI 1080 copper layout.

 

Ah yes the 1080 requires the ram to surround it making a standard form factor version impossible. This moves the core to the right.

 

Hello,
I have a problem with my P870DM-G Nvidia 980 desktop.
The graphics card is while I'm playing about 78 degrees. Turbo Boost shuts off and the vcore is lowered.
the notebook was under repair. the 980 and the heatsink were exchanged. but no improvement.
I read the intel caused XTU problems. may it be due?
the CPU fan has 2000 rpm, the GPU fan has max. 2860 rpm. The fans run in
automatic mode.
who can help me? I am pretty desperate.

 

What are the CPU temps like ?

 

max. 70 C

 

I found the problem. a friend has the same P870DM-G.
His fan with 3000 rpm for the CPU and 3200 rpm for the GPU.
My fan at 2000 rpm for the CPU and 2800 rpm for the GPU.
Both operate in automatic. What can I do? Do I have to reset the nvram?

 

Do you have XTU installed by any chance?

 

Yes, I had XTU installed. But I have it uninstalled.


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Only a full format would fix the mess XTU did to your fan profiles. That's why most people here don't come near the XTU virus. No registry cleaning would help

 

Reinstall xtu for the short fix , once you install leave it otherwise it jacks up the settings if you uninstall. Vram reset will not fix it.

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I have to make a reset nvram?

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How quickly run your fan in automatic mode?

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Yes before installing Windows

 

Never needed to check as everything runs cool by default

 

Okay, thank you


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Should I ec update do?


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Hey Guys:

Clevo released EC 1.05.05 and 2nd EC 1.05.02 in June. I updated a couple of days ago. Some folks here have complained about current limit throttling due to amperage limit in EC at mother board - my experience is that EC 1.05.05 is way worse than EC 1.05.03 for current limit throttling.

So rolled back to EC 1.05.03 and am running 2nd EC 1.05.02, so far so good. No current limiting if I lock games to 60 fps. If I try to run at native refresh 75hz, then current limit throttle shows up. BUT its at around < 30% in Doom. when using EC 1.05.05 at 75 hz refresh, in doom current limit throttle goes up to 80-90% :-(

Just FYI.

And I am still so mad at Clevo for not providing me an upgrade path for graphics card. I wasted so much moneys on the computer.

Laptop - never again.

 

Are any of the P870DM2/3 drivers/apps compatible with the P870DM1?

I see a newer Control Center version# and other stuff over on Clevo's official download site, but I'm not brave enough to test them on my P870DM1.

Just curious. Thanks.

 

Not sure, but the other way around works. I doubt it'll break anything permanently if it doesn't (besides installing XTU, which mucks with your fan tables).

 

Yeah Prema's BIOS fixed all that with his mod.

 

Stay far away from CC for P870DM2/3 http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...u-entry-come-from.794904/page-2#post-10314891

 

Oh really... It's still goofed?

 

No, everything just well. I wanna give him a warning

 

Actually, the cheapest and most sensible thing to do is get all those that will use the mxm form factor moving forward to enter into a joint venture. This allows them all the use of the final product, distributes design R&D costs among all members, standardizes the final product considerably, promotes the use of the same PCB across all models, etc. It takes what you said and diversified costs. The three players that may be interested are Clevo, MSI, and potentially Dell. Asus has been doing proprietary cards for awhile now. Even though it would make sense for them to join, they likely won't. Also Dell seems to be headed to BGA, so might not. Same with Gigabyte. Meanwhile, anyone wanting to benefit from their design can just license from the joint venture or pay them for a supply of cards. This is what I'd like to see happen...

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I find a picture is worth 1,000 words

Not quite...

This is MSIs lineup
Single 1080

1070

1080 SLI

Note the die placement on the 1080 SLI

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All are compatible except fingerprint scanner and Clevo Control Center

 

Thats why the custom heat sink

 

New
ThrottleStop 8.20
Papusan Edition
September 13, 2016
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/page-496#post-10342426
And don't forget to rep @unclewebb

 

We all know that. And where does one get that if they didn't buy the compy from a Prema BIOS partner? One can't! In which case one is stuck with stock bios. Therefore, my info on BIOS 1.05.05 from Clevo may perhaps be appreciated by the other P870DM peasants in the world.

Still mad at Clevo for selling me a $3000+ notebook with GTX980 when they updated the GPU less than one year to something 2X as powerful, and give me no upgrade path.

Gaming laptop - Never again.

 

Sorry to see you're in this situation.

I don't know if it would help with what you mentioned in your post, but would @unclewebb's ThrottleStop be something you could use?

 

I can imagine there are 'gobs' and 'gobs' of people who may purchase one of these machines from a non-Prema partner, and not even realize they are stuck until coming across us here at NBR.

What can they do? Donation to premamod.com? ThrottleStop? CCC or XTU?

 

I'm using XTU on my Clevo without any problems. In fact, it's the previous version of XTU from 2015 from when Skylake CPUs first launched. Looks like Intel released a newer version last month, but I'm not upgrading since the old one works fine for me.

My fans spin up when they are supposed to and spin down when they are supposed to.

I'm using Phoenix's XTU profile in the Newbie thread - just a simple 4.2ghz OC with a -150 voltage drop to prevent throttling. Temps usually top out around 74 at the most in "heavy" games like Witcher 3 and SW: Battlefront, but stay in the low 60s in games like World of Warcraft and Diablo 3, which is perfectly normal operating temp. Heck, even in the 80s you're technically within thermal thresholds, but I haven't hit 80 yet in normal gaming.

I've been on 100% stock BIOS and stock vBIOS since I got mine. I don't even use the Control Center because it's pointless. I get locked 75FPS with G-sync on all my games at 1080p. I don't need to OC my GPU. It's fine and dandy as-is.

I don't know why others are having issues with XTU. Maybe uninstall the Clevo CC and try using XTU by itself like I do? There's probably a settings conflict there being that both programs interact with system voltages, which might mess up fan tables, but damned if I know. All I know is my system works great without the Clevo Control Center.

I figured I should post that not everyone is having these XTU issues. A PremaMod BIOS would be awesome just to have the XTU settings "baked in" to the laptop's BIOS, but I bought from a non-partner reseller before I knew anything about Prema. It DOES suck that we can't upgrade to a 1080 and our Thunderbolt ports are apparently useless for eGPUs. But, I'm happy with my system. My desktop GTX 980 8GB is still handling everything I throw at it. By time I need a new machine, I'll probably be back into Desktop PCs anyway. But this laptop will get at least 2 or 3 years of dedicated gaming use from me. I'm not afraid to drop some detail settings if need be. But I haven't had to do that yet.

Just my 2 cents. Happy Gaming!

 

Oh chill guyz! 'Oh really fool!?' is a line from Billy Madison movie (he's in bubble bath making shampoo and bubble bath fight with each other). Have you seen it?

Peace, respect and luv in equal measure - except for at Clevo who sold me a $3000+ gaming laptop that I can't upgrade then doubled GPU performance or more for same price 7 months later.

Gaming laptop - never again.

 

Anyone else disappointed?

 

Very. I mean could they really not stick with what was the current mxm formfactor? Did they really need to go bigger? If they did, why couldn't they at least make a single 1080 possible? HUGE slap in the face.

 

defies every reason why I paid 6K USD for a desktop replacement. I thought this was a bit of a short term investment. Give me 2 or even 1 upgrade cycle at least and I'm happy. The moment the P870DM3 was released, all the glory and shine went off on my P870DM.

Clevo, never again!

 

So I haven't been paying attention, but.... are we able to connect an external desktop GPU to this thing at all? I mean... If that's at least one option, then I'll stick with this laptop until they finally settle on a form factor & I start seeing some laptops get upgrades, otherwise I'll just stick with the external GPU option until the CPU is outdated.

 

Yeap.

 

It would be strange to see you back in the AW sub forum or MSI, Acer, Asus or whatever BGA forum you will be in. Cook a cup of coffee and consider your options one more time bro. If the keyboard is an enemy... What do you think it will be with fully BGA? Better? You will get nightmares every single night bro... And wake up with a long SCREAM and swampy!! EVERY single NIGHT!!

 

Listen to Poppy, he speaks the truth. Nightmares & long screams is one thing, but the swampy's the worst of all. I don't know what one is but I sure don't like the sound of it & neither should you

 

Good advice Bro Rep added!!
See. Terrible reading http://hwbot.org/hardware/processor/core_i7_6700hq/
With such awful bench result... I'd begun to watch television instead!! It would been my last laptop ever!!