*** Official Clevo P870DM/Sager NP9870-G Owner's Lounge - Phoenix has arisen! ***

Oh really fool? Head over to youtube and watch LinusTechTips on the Razer core and eGPU test. He connects it to P870DM. Guess what!? You loose 20% or so performance to overhead of processor to manage eGPU thunderbolt communications! SEEing as how GTX 1070 is ~30% more powers than GTX 980, deductive man might call that a wash.

eGPU on p870dm. Jokes! Clevo sold me $3000+ top-of-the-line lappy only to obsolete it in 7 months and offer no legitimate upgrade paths!

Gaming laptop - never again.

 

Is this a kind of 'mantra' you try to lay upon us, brat?

The time to say good bye to Clevo is, when they change the layout of the DM4 again. Then they will see nothing else than my unshaven bottom.
If PCB-/Mobo-layout stays the same, then it might be an indicator that these changes where necessary (unfortunately) to ensure upgradeability for Volta and later.

But I get your point! It's a shame that the original Phoenix has the same status as all other BGA "enthusiast" crapbooks now.

 

Sorry, saw the movie but didn't get the reference. Now if you would've said, " Momma says the Medulla Oblongata of a gaming laptop is the Devil.", I might have been with you on that one.

Spoiler

My apologies to those who've never seen The Waterboy

 

Some kind of matra? maybe Bruh! But mostly I'm the fool for thinking spending > $3K for sweet upgradeable laptop was a good idea.

Gaming laptop - Never Again!

 

Hey Bruh, I got that question for you. I think Intel XTU conflicst with Clevo CC like you be saying.I get weird 'wake from sleep' behavior when trying to run undervolt on XTU with Clevo CC installed. But, I like the GPU fan speed offset in Clevo CC, +30%, so fan hits max RPMs faster. So, anyway to control GPU fan offset, without Clevo CC, so I cans use XTU to tweek the proccesorizing?

Gaming laptop - never again!

 

Please, Stop using that XTU bloat Crap for tweaking your processor. Rather start using Throttlestop(You can use up to 4 different power profiles on the fly with a single key command). And yeah, You can also use Clevo CC Bloatware with TS 8.20

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/the-throttlestop-guide.531329/page-496#post-10342426

 

Hmmmm those single 1080 and 1070s look like they're mostly mxm 3.0b layout, just need extra thermal coverage on the areas that come out. Only thing would be modding the power cable to fit that one and I also don't know if we need modded firmware to allow the card to work. Those MSI cards are closest to what our system can take probably.

Too bad I don't have one to play with.

 

I need your help. How quickly run your fans and how warm your 980 gtx disabled with automatic fan profile and vsnc off? Thank you.

Gesendet von meinem SM-T810 mit Tapatalk

 

There's a few situation where XTU is a valid option.

Throttlestop didn't work to override the PL1/PL2 power limit in the G752VS, only XTU will actually alter the value (to 75W indefinite and 85W short due to ASUS cripple).

 

Yes as long there is no alternative. Oh' Yeah. Otherwise... Will TS be a much better choice.

 

i guess a 1080 is still out of the question?

 

Status info for you http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/pascal-mxm-gpu-upgrades.795169/page-28#post-10344323
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/pascal-mxm-gpu-upgrades.795169/page-28#post-10344340
I don't know what to say. But Clevo have still screwed us

 

in short: promising?

 

Don't know. But maybe a very small progress. I hoped Eurocom/HiD could make a try... But they aren't interested to tryout and see if it could work.

 

it won't happen. Period. Forget it.

Please sell your house and buy a P870DM3.

Then when they release Kaby Lake, please use the money in your savings account to buy the DM4

Finally, within 12 months, sell everything you have and get the DM5 for the next GPU so you can beat us all in the benchmarks

 

I have used too much money on my house now, so I wouldn't sell it, LOL
Maybe within 12 months I'm sailing on a phase cooled homebuild desktop and still have my Dm1 but with Oc'd 7700K for processor benching Benching is still fun with only the processor. And building a decent desktop rig is also fun. Dm3-4 or whatsoever name..., The old chipset isn't a option for me Although you probably can't use Win 7 with Kaby lake.

 

I think as meaker said we can use them prolly some special feature set would be disabled, Intel SpeedShift for Skylake, But IIRC Throttlestop Papusan ED has the SpeedShift coded into it, So we might get all those benefits after all, The only issue would be with 200 series chipsets I presume like the Haswell-Skylake xHCI usb 3.0 drivers, Intel might not provide them due to Mafiasoft's deal...

 

I think you will be able to get the basics working at least but any new features will be absent.

 

Yeah Bruh! We hear ya!

Gaming laptop - never again!

 

I appreciate a real high OC'd Kabys lake over win 7 (*if* this new i7 perhaps OC better than 6700K). Intel Speed Shift and similar garbage is not interesting, although TS papusan ED already have this encoded. But you never know with Intel. Maybe 7700K becomes the new 4940Mx? Time will tell. But 5.1-5.2 GHz in every bench would be nice

 

Will the Kaby flake work in our current laptop or do we need a new mobo?

 

No. An updated firmware micro code for Kabys lake is enough. @Prema will handle this I think

 

Well I see you're optimistic, I hope you're right. Nothing surprises me anymore if we can't even put a Kaby flake in our outdated taptops

 

back to plan A - wait for cannonlake + GTX 11 series.

 

Hid / Eurocom + probably other vendors guarantees Kabys lake support for the older Skylake chipset in DM2 / 3. Why should this be more difficult with the first DM models with Skylake chipset? I mean @Prema should be the guarantee that this is possible. And like different web sites say... It’s up to Intel and their board partners to decide whether they would retain this compatibility down the road when Kaby Lake launches or limit it to the new 200-series boards.
http://wccftech.com/intel-core-i7-7700k-kaby-lake-listed-online/

 

Not so bad. At least we have official GTX 1070 upgrade possibility (Single-GPU, no idea about SLI).
You should not worry about Kaby Lake. Should be good. Tick-tock should be fine here.

 

Hey guys was hoping you could help me out on a good external monitor. First can the port from these handle 60fps in 4K? If so can you recommend something possibly available through Best Buy as id like to use my card. Something in 24-28 inch range thanks!

Edit: I am considering the Asus PG348Q at the moment


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

You must use the mini dp port to utilize the high res and high refresh, the rear HDMI will only support 4k@30hz to my knowledge.

Sent from my LG-H901 using Tapatalk

 

It's HDMI 2.0, why wouldn't it support 4K@60?

 

On laptops most dont

 

You are correct, I could have ran into a cable bandwidth issue or a port issue with my monitor then which is very possible.

Sent from my LG-H901 using Tapatalk

 

Alls well dat ends well.

Sent from my Venue 8 7840 using Tapatalk

 

Did I miss something?

Apparently I did:



Kinda expected it to work since it doesn't require a power connector and it's almost standard mxm 3.0b size..

Too bad there's no 1080. 1070 isn't too much of an upgrade from 980.

 

Ok so I can go either route... so which port would be better? The monitor comes with both wires. Any benefit to HDMI over Display port? I have to check and see if the monitor supports 2.0 otherwise I'm definitely going to have to use display port.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

It all depends upon the version, I believe the P870dmg is DP1.2 which is the same bandwidth as HDMI 2.0 4k@60hz but check your monitor specs as it will have an input compatibility. The weird part is I can run the dp on mine at 100hz at 3440x1440p (21x9) and have for quite some time and that is more than 4k@60hz.

Another thought is when using my Oculus it works better through the DP port. If I used the HDMI during high demands I get a black flash every so often. Through the DP port its smooth as silk.

 

That seems to be the MSI 1070.

 

That's exactly what it is, with the 980M heatsink.

 

So I need to get a different cable to even use dp I need a dp to mini dp. For now I'm using hdmi and it seems to set the monitor to 50hz at 3440x1440. Seems a little weird...


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

If you have the X34, it has HDMI 1.4, so even though the laptop has HDMI 2.0 it still falls back to 1.4.

 

For those that are not number chasing and want a little more performance from their P870DM-G then it certainly is a bit of an upgrade... looks like roughly an 8% increase in graphics score compared to 200W 980. It won't make us overclocking benchers happy, but it would be relevant for gamers in a bigger way. Nothing more than the much higher stock core clock alone could make a big difference playing games.

For the P750ZM or any other machine with a single 980M this would be a much more meaningful upgrade. A 30% graphics performance increase is substantial.

980M versus 1070: http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/10122415/fs/10189851

200w 980 vs 1070: http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/9225544/fs/10189851

Looks like a copper shim needs to be added to the heat sink to make contact with one of the components... looks like it's not making contact at all in one spot.

 

would be interested in seeing the performance delta between the 980 and 1070.

EDIT: hahaha i missed Fox's post

 

So how exactly can I even run 100hz at 4k even with a display Port wire? Or can't I? Seems like a waste to have a screen support it but be limited by cable bandwidth? Or am I missing something because in reviews it's running at native resolution 100hz.

Did some more research... gotta stick with display port. All good I ordered an dp to dp mini.

 

not paying nearly $1.2k just for the 1070.

 

You need to connect it via DP.

 

Yeah, that doesn't make good sense. Very idiotic and not worth it at that price. Making an upgrade physically possible while simultaneously making it financially unattractive doesn't make any sense. There's no legitimate excuse for a 1070 MXM card to cost more than a 980M does. Being able to buy three desktop 1070 GPUs for the price of one 1070 MXM is downright ludicrous.

 

To me, it's either an upgrade to the best (1080 GTX) or nothing. I won't accept anything in between.

 

Even with older 980m prices(+- $ 800 usd, I wouldn't upgrade from 980Dt to 1070 Not a big enough jump in performance. Either 1080 or nothing!!

 

I mostly agree. The exception would be a machine where 1080 won't work. In that case 1070 is an upgrade to the best option available. For a gamer with 980M or something less if a 1070 fits and a 1080 does not, you're either going to have to buy a whole new machine or go with 1070 and enjoy another 2 or 3 years of gaming... hard to argue with that being a bad upgrade. Going from 200W 980 to 1070 does not make good sense. Now, if you have to pay a retarded price to get a 1070 MXM card for the upgrade, that's a totally different problem and while it could make a huge improvement for a gamer (not an overclocker/bencher) if it costs more than a 980M card the upgrade might not make good sense. But, it is still less expensive than buying a new machine. If the only thing you are looking for is more FPS in gaming at the lowest cost, even at a stupid price it's potentially a smarter use of money compared to buying a totally new machine.

 

Yeah. People with single 980m or less graphics will a single 1070 be a cheaper choice than a brand new machine. But a big no no for people with single 980. Rather use your 980 and save up for a new 1080 Sli machine or building a desktop. I will call a Upgrade to 1070 from a single 980, wasted money!! A Big No No!!

 

Is that the cost?! That's insulting. A 1080D cost that... which it still shouldn't even.