*** Official Clevo P870DM/Sager NP9870-G Owner's Lounge - Phoenix has arisen! ***

so this means you got all the parts and now is software and bios tuning, right?
good news

 

Are you relying on the web page or talking to them? Shopping based on web pricing is always a mistake. Alienware and Clevo resellers are generally very flexible. If you pay web price you are paying too much. Eurocom will match or beat competitor pricing, but you need to talk to them.

 

The Phoenix is up on RJTech as Barebones if people are wanting to drop their own stuff into the machine! G-Sync though, so only the 1080p screen for now.

Price starting at $1,619.00

http://rjtech.com/shop/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=30406

 

Well, each computer is still built to order. So it would still have the whole process of building, customization, testing, etc...

But being available to order is good news though

 

Yeah I definitely wasn't going to pay web price.

My total price even with the SSD/HDD and ram I bought separately came out less than the configuration @skyFox90 has shown us.

Finally! Looks like Eurocom and HIDEvolution are the only two with the 4K display

 

If you're looking at "ask" price, yes. They are a Canadian company, so there is an exchange rate and they have less competition in Canada. But, they are willing and able to compete against US vendors. If you pay any vendor's "ask" price, you're not the sharpest tool in the shed. I would be shocked if they did not meet or beat any competitor's pricing in the venues where they do business.

Let's be perfectly clear about one thing... Everyone wants your money. Everyone wants as much as they can get, but nobody wants to lose a sale. Talk to them... any former Alienware fan (like me) can tell you only a silly goose pays the price shown on the internet without asking what their best price is and negotiating. They probably won't sell at a loss, but if they can make a buck and secure your business, I think it's probably safe to say they will make every effort to do so.

I've got to give them mega kudos for supporting @Prema's tireless toil to make this machine as great as it is capable of being. Not many support modifications like this. It is a statement of their commitment to enthusiasts and performance excellence rather than going with the status quo. I think that needs to count for something.

Prema has not said how long the agreement is with select partners. Those without the special firmware may have to wait longer than they think. And, I can tell you the stock BIOS is a huge disappointment. You can still overclock the CPU nicely with XTU, but you will have SEVERE configuration limitations that go beyond the CPU. XTU overclocking options are also limited with the stock BIOS. Forget about tweaking memory... nothing is available in the BIOS or XTU without @Prema magic inside.

 

Would you say that applies to mysn/XMG too ?
I had a case where another well known online vendor (Cyberport) had them beat by ~150€. Cyberport was reselling the same laptop already built from mysn.
I asked mysn.de if they could do something about the price since I already placed the order from them and they are already building my it.
They said they can't and I should rather cancel and order the finished laptop from the reseller Cyberport. Im one of those not so sharp tools and suck at haggling so that might have been the issue. But I feel like they will not yield to other prices.

 

I checked with xotic pc but they insisted for the new models there is no further discount

 

Yes the IPS Matte G-Sync 1080p is the only screen choice. There is no firm ETA for the 4K screen yet.

 

Sager resellers usually are making slim margins so any discounts you get usually are limited to the 2-3% cash discount.. On the other hand the builders like Mythologic Prostar, Eurocom are usually priced much higher and have higher margins and are more flexible and give discounts if you ask.. Eurocom are seriously overpriced when I was looking for a 970M and Hidevolution turned out to be the cheapest choice then...

 

Also, being a reseller, we are basically going off of Sager's prices, so some of that is out of the hands of resellers. I'll always try to help out to find any discounts or best configurations available to save money, but sometimes I just can't move the meter much.

 

for P870 I find mythlogic had about the same price like sager

 

Pro-star is one of the cheapest, matched with xotic... Check it out! They are way under the others mentioned there, usually. But the other two mentioned are Prema partners, something that must be considered on the bios

 

I wouldn't say that it applies to us ;-)

Seriously though, different companies run off very different business models. For example, there are companies which sell Clevo laptops whose primary business is selling PC components and electrical items. They will often have lower pricing, because their margins for laptops is based on their component reseller margins. This is vs companies which are solely system integrators and then of course you have to factor in the service, customer support, default warranty coverage and so on. Some other companies purposefully have very high pricing, which means that they can wow people with but discounts whenever they wish (not limited to Clevo integrators of course!).

The Cyberport is a strange scenario and I'm surprised that their XMG pre-built laptop was that much cheaper. There are definitely examples where our XMG UK resellers (in this case a very well known brand, arguably the biggest electrical high street retailer in the UK) priced pre-configured XMG laptops 10% higher than our website price. So it definitely isn't all one way and resellers may have varying reasons to have different prices - higher and lower, for example if they want to clear stock.

 

Today also eurocom have the 950 pro, maybe they read the comments xd

 

This. Eurocom's listed USD prices are a bit off, but they will usually price match. Spec your machine out in CAD then convert it yourself to get a better idea.

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Honestly, I have no idea. It would be wrong for me to comment about them. Just speaking in general terms, a good businessman will work with you and give you the best deal he is capable of giving if he wants your business. I cannot be more specific and I have no experience with the vast majority of vendors. Any that have been around for a while should be trustworthy and reliable. Otherwise, they wouldn't be in business for a long time. Those that have a notable presence in this community and represent their company here in a positive way are most likely great companies to do business with. The service and support experiences of their customers are documented here also, and word of mouth advertising generally trumps everything else.

 

Mr fox any news regarding the nvidia 980 desktop low power in sli?

 

I'm not at liberty to speak about that. I haven't actually seen it yet, but I'm sure there is some degree of truth to the juicy rumors floating around.

How it will stack up against 980M SLI would be nothing more than a guess right now. I don't play that. I'm not from Missouri, but I'm a show me guy all the way.

 

My final choice xd

Display not anymore 4k but full hd with g sync
I7 6700k
Gtx sli 980m
Ram 16 gb 2400 Mhz
Windows 7 home
Raid 0 2x256 samsung 950 pro
Hard drive 1Tb seagate momentus 6Gb/s
2x330W power adapter

Before i send this new configuration to them i want some more advice..

I understand that for gaming is better the sli 980m and not the single 980 desktop right?

 

Depends on the gaming in question and how the game reacts to SLI, for games that scale well the 980M will do much better.

 

I hate to be that guy ... but personally I'd prefer a single powerful gpu over a current gen sli solution.

This is all IMHO as it suits my needs, currently SLI solns are not suitable for VR due to latency issues between the cards. Which is one of the primary reasons i'm getting my system.

As has been said not all games play nice with SLI either.
It just seems one additional hassle not to deal with.

I'm buying from Metabox and a single new gtx980 is also cheaper than the dual gtx980m sli soln.

anyway.. if none of those reasons are applicable to you then the SLI will be the better soln.

Cheers,

 

Cuggull you are definitely right! , i didn't think about that..
I was thinked that also with sli 980m you are able to play with VR..
So i will put gtx 980

 

Would it be possible to get a thermal temperature difference result on this system with the screen closed and the laptop being used with an external monitor? Don't need all of them, just some that work the CPU and GPU hard, particularly when overclocked. I am curious if having the lid closed will have an effect on keeping temps down.

 

it will, although i wouldnt know how much. its known that the clevo cooling system draws in air through the keyboard with most machines, so u would affect air intake into the machine and thus hamper with the cooling efficiency. to what degree though, no idea...

 

from my experience with a previous laptop, even though it was a cheap HP laptop, that is a VERY bad idea because if the laptop overheats it may damage the screen. Although you may get lucky, but I wouldn't do it for long periods of time, and certainly not to an expensive Phoenix.

 

Hopefully Mr Fox can provide his thoughts on the cooling in this situation but from what I see is it pulls air from the front and bottom vents to drag it across the SSD/HDD plus with the cards facing down I wouldn't think it would cause any issues and the affects would be small. This is similar to the GT80 and with the lid down it has no affect in temps.

Also something to keep in mind VR sli drivers are working and testing has been done with pretty good results but like anything sli has to be supported by the game title.

 

The PCH is under the keyboard, same with some ram slots. Now, with the sink on the pch, this is less of an issue than it used to be, but it will be hotter with oc.

 

Any idea if a custom BIOS will be released for the eurocom x6(p775dm?)? It seems like the default clevo bios is quite limiting.... I know this the P870 thread but I cant find the one for the 775. Thanks!

 

The p775dm is not released. Are you referring to the p770/771dm?

 

Not sure. Eurocom said the model was p771dm. However I did order a 980 desktop on it. I did ask them and apparently the x6 still come with the 200w version. At this point, I have no idea what model it is until I get it in late november. Although eurocom did say the machine is assembled and just waiting for the 980.

 

I've seen some information about P775 posted in batman 2.0's thread.
but I'm sure P775 gonna work with the 180W version M980 with 4+1 phase power supply

 

Might be the 150W version also...

 

yep, not the 200w version for P870

 

Yeah. The card that appears on my order is the 200w version. And I did ask the eurocom rep on the phone to confirm its the 200w version because I didnt expect it to be the p870's card. Oh well. Will find out soon.

 

Could you share any information or links where a sli solution is a problem due to this latency you mention? I've read some but not much about VR and would appreciate any info that you could provide.

Thanks

 

Placed an order with XoticPC a few minutes ago. Paid extra for rush build, so we'll see how soon I get it!

6700k
980m sli
32gb 2400mhz ddr4
1 tb hdd (adding SSD myself)
dual psu

I'll post some benchmarks once I receive it

 

Nice!
Could you post the temps of your config under stress tests when you receive your laptop? I'm hesitating between 6700 and 6700k, and temperature will probably be the deciding factor for me.

 

No problem! I'll have some OC vs stock temps with the IC diamond XoticPC is applying on cpu+gpu's, and if I'm not thrilled with the overall temps I'll apply Liquid Ultra and do a comparison as well.

 

Thank you! Also, are you going to undervolt the CPU at all, and if yes, will you do it right away? It'd be interesting to see the temps "as is" and compare them with an undervolted system.

 

My machine is going to be OC'ed 24/7, but I'll do an undervolted temp test on stock speeds as well just to see!

 

Often a small undervolt and an overclock with it will give the most efficient 24/7 setting unless you need the extra power.

 

Thanks for placing your order with us. If you have any questions with your order or when you get the computer, feel free to reach out to me.

With that being a new model, I'm sure you'll make a lot of friends if you post some results once you get it.

 

as meaker already said, oc AND uv is the best combo most of the time

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Can someone please tell me the refresh on the 1080 panel? I'm looking at getting it from xotic but me and a friend that is also buying it is curious on the refresh rate of the panel. Is it 60hz or 75hz?

 

Thanks! Pretty excited.

Built a Titan X/5960x ITX system in a Ncase M1 (great case btw) couple months ago, so i'll be doing a gaming comparison between the two @ 4k if anyone is curious. Just to see how it stacks up OC vs OC.

If anybody else has benchmark requests, just let me know!

 

dayum, that is some insane setup u got there, both desktop and mobile now it seems

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Thanks! Avid member on overclock.net, long-time lurker here, so I always enjoy pushing the best of both worlds

Some recent runs I've done with Firestrike for curiosity.

Titan Z vs Titan X vs 980m SLI vs 970m SLI
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/6069895
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/5795452
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/6416170
http://www.3dmark.com/fs/5499222

Anyways, no update yet on order, still processing payment

 

Just placed an order at Mythlogic! cant wait for it to arrive!

specs.
i5 6600k
8gb ddr4 2400mhz (got some more of my own)
gtx 980 desktop version
2 330 watt psu's
Also gonna drop my own hard drives and windows OS on there to save some $$

 

Ordered from CEG in Germany:
P870DM-G with fullhd
2 x 890m SLI
6700k
They will lap heatsinks and use IC Dismond 24
Let's see how it goes. Bought last year a P751ZM from them but could not resist the Phoenix ;-)


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