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    *** Official Clevo P870DM/Sager NP9870-G Owner's Lounge - Phoenix has arisen! ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by NordicRaven, Sep 22, 2015.

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    @thegh0sts, where did you end up? An upgraded 1070? Did you get an extra one for 1070SLI or did you determine it wouldn't work?
     
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    i don't have the money to buy all the parts so quickly and the tolerances are so tight that sanding the tab on the slave GPU down is the main issue. so in short doing SLI is not possible if you want a $800USD paperweight. one 1070 is enough.

    EDIT: apparently this is a 1080 notebook with a power plug.

    [​IMG]

    this pic was from @j95 on techinferno. it looks like you may need to mod the power cable and the heatsink to get it to work.
     
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    There are several different design of card around but all of them present challenges in other machines due to the requirements of the memory layout.
     
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    bumping my 1070 clock to +63MHz yields only a 124 point increase.
     
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    Links to the results ?
     
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    if there's one that works then it's worth investigating though i don't think i would spend the money for it.
     
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    This F5 comes with new motherboard probably... like GT72. So no, I would not expect it.

    By the way, any1 tried eGPU with our Thunderbolt 3? I want to buy eGPU with 1080ti.
     
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    there's plenty of space around the slot, it's more about whether the die will match the heatsink. there's MSI 1080s that use the MSI 1070 board design so my guess is that there's many versions of the 1080s much like the 1070.

    [​IMG]

    there's plenty of space to fit a 1080 in.
     
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    Looking at the photos of the 1080 in that system it has a different core position so different heatsink mounts and different card to motherboard mounting hole layout.

    It is not plug and play physically. This is due to the memory layout required for the 1080 excluding the standard MXM design as the chips can't fit to the left of the core.
     
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    am i the 1070 guinea pig still?
     
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    I'll have to verify the temps.

    Sent from my SM-N910G using Tapatalk
     
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    Filthy casual
     
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    Filthy? I do man's work son.
    Casual? Hardly, hence the laptop ownership & thread we're in.
     
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    Lol, just poking fun at how much Dota and League players seem to go at it.
     
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    Heh .. hehehe. :p

    What he said ^^
     
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    the OC i have doesn't seem to produce that much more in temps as it seems to still sit around the mid 60 deg Celsius when in load and it usually now peaks between 1900MHz and 1993MHz with occasional drops into the high 1880s.

    EDIT: I wonder if it would be more controllable if there was a modded vbios?
     
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    Anyone know what plastic is used for the lid? Tempted to do a paint job/carbon fiber wrap combo...or just the carbon fiber wrap of the lid.

    Sent from my SM-N910G using Tapatalk
     
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    For modded vbios, we have to wait a pascal editor release...as the creator of maxwel editor said he will not work for pascal..hopelessly.
    About painting job, train yourself on model not your laptop as a first you will have buble and scratch with to much layer. You will have to use pre-paint (primer for adhesion), paintjob then lacquer. carbon fiber, try to have the kind with 3m adhesive for strongness
     
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    I think it's all good for others to do a 1070 upgrade :)

    Sent from my SM-N910G using Tapatalk

    EDIT: j95's modded drivers for clevo will work just fine.
     
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    what did you do exactly to your 1070 to behave like a desktop one? dunno if mine in the p775dm3 is different but +150mhz is only about 1690-1720mhz for me in the best case scenario, give or take.
     
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    the GPU stock clocks shouldn't be different. it should be 1443 to 1645, so a +120 would be 1563 to 1765 with a max of 1993. BF1 in some maps will hit 1965.5 but generally around 1923 to 1949.

    the temps seem to stay the same around about the mid 60 celsius which isn't bad with fans at full speed. remember the clevo 1070s have the extra power port so you can use it to your advantage.
     
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    yeah but how do you manage to get so high tho :D, the vbios it seems on my card is absolutely ******** after 60 °C it mostly throttles down to bare minimum and 90% of the time it even starts to ignore every setting i put and no i didn't have any crashes TDRs or errors in event manager in general, if i use the clock/voltage curve editor you even see the card does what it want's :/
     
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    remember i am not using the clevo 1070 but the MSI 1070.
     
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    hmm ok, that confirms for me somewhat the vbios from the clevo 1070 is absolute B$, i mean i even get Power Limit throttling reason at about 100-120w :D, i would even bet that i can potentially run this card without any issues at between 1900-2000mhz
     
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    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    115W is the power limit on all mobile 1070 models stock vBIOS.
     
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    From AW CEO Mr. Azor aka @Alienware-Frank :rolleyes:
    [​IMG]
     
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    Lol OC Potential. Jesus that 150W is stock you moron.
     
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    OK all mobile MXM versions then... ;)
     
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    Oo
    Anyway to remove these limits without a hard mod ?
     
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    Try painting the grey/black square components with liquid metal like the desktop cards?
     
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    Kinda makes that a hard mod.
     
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    That would be a hard mod and that's what I did, be careful as the card will not like them being totally shorted.
     
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    that's so B$ :oops:, why have an power connector and be limit to about 115w even the 980m didn't need one and pulled over 140w when using Premas vbios and OCed :rolleyes:
     
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    I posted a screenshot of HWInfo a while back showing a peak over 200W. Per card. I sometimes have the hwinfo gadget open on a second screen and regularly it gets up and stays around 130W/140W each card when they're getting a full workout and that's stock clocks
     
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    now that you mention it i should see how much the MSI 1070 while oc'd is pulling. would be interesting if it was under 100W. considering i have a 330W PSU i have enough to keep everything stable.
     
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    Power usage during a TDM in BF1 ranged between 89-115W and that's with the +120MHz OC. so it does go over the supposed 100W limit but not for long.

    EDIT: I'll try other games though in my experience i felt that BF1 is a bit more demanding than other games.
     
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    Seriously? That's at 100% utilisation and not frame capped by gsync?
     
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    that's capped at 60fps.

    uncapped in BF1 the power usage is between 100 to 115W. but the interesting thing is that when it's uncapped it doesn't seem to upclock to 1900+ and usually sits around 1750 (just shy of the boost clock). when it's capped it upclocks to 1900+.

    EDIT: will record some BF1 gameplay.
     
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    Well the temps and power use figures you've given are not at full load 100% utilisation then.

    Either disable all gsync and vsync and frame caps

    Or use a DSR factor to load the GPU with lots of extra pixels

    Actually that would also be good to get a rough idea how your 1070 would perform at 2560x1440 and 3840x2160.
     
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    i never mentioned temps at all. i'll post a video and you can try to decipher what's going on with the card.
     
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    I just tried something for ****s n giggles, played an older DX11 game in DSR at 8K (7680x4320) and the last reading on my phone through HWInfo when it black screened on me the slave GPU was showing 209W (master "only" 178W). But it was fine for at least 5 minutes up and around 160-180W on each GPU at around 80C.

    The relevance of this... I think there is more than enough capacity in the system to run the "150W TDP" 1070 at full bore without needing a power connector
     
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