*** Official Clevo P870DM/Sager NP9870-G Owner's Lounge - Phoenix has arisen! ***

It smells screwed second time. HaHa

 

Memory interfaces always dictated the size of the cards so it stands to reason changing the memory interface is going to mess with them.

 

Maybe when Volta and HBM is ready...Thereafter maybe interesting with an upgrade to a new laptop for future use (with 1-2 upgrades of graphics) If Not everything is BGA by then

 

There's nothing stopping Clevo offering a heatsink that accounts for those changes though.

 

Yooo forgot the....

 

Except in this game, new parts like that to support unofficial upgrades of older models are not a thing.... heatsinks are designed for parts (GPUs) at their release with the possible exception of a revision/redesign to remedy a flaw. If Clevo don't make a Vega for P870DM/DM2/DM3 they won't bother making a heatsink for it and we're left hoping it'll fit because the chassis has not changed or it can be modded to fit (e.g. 980DT heatsink with MSI 1070)

 

What you've said is mostly true. However, some of the biggest vendors do claim they are upgradable and Clevo don't contend that. What's more likely is they're happy to cash in on the ambiguity of it all.
Those that upgraded from DM1 to DM2/3 mostly did on good word that the redesign was to offer uniformity in future MXM power designs - that's what we were told. So Clevo don't get to have it both ways, not again.

 

Not the length of the cards anyway...and still keep the entire product stack unified, anyone saying otherwise is lying.

Back then, a German Clevo reseller tried to warn us...many times actually, instead of conveniently hiding behind NDA.

 

Breaking Nvidia NDA is never a good idea....

 

He didn't break NDA...same as teasing. LOL

 

Any 1 has XTU profile for 4.5GHz (6700K)?
My 4.2GHz and -150uV is currently not enough for Adobe After Effects... I'd like to speed it up a bit.
And I'm thinking about OC'ing my Ripjaws, from 2400 to ~~2800/3000, but I'm not sure if it will work.

 

Don't know about XTU I use TS

Mine can pass x264 RealBench at 4.5ghz at "1.19V" static and everything else at "1.165V" static (which both seem under load to be a reported average of 1.24-1.25V with a 1.22V minimum - if the minimum drops below 1.22 it always fails, freezes or bsods shortly after)

I have not been able to change one setting from stock on my ram. Even switching to xmp in bios with same settings as it currently has (Ripjaws @ 2666cl18), fail to post, needs nvram reset.

 

don't you have prema's bios for the P870DM-G?

 

Yep

He made me a version to regain brightness control at expense of gsync for the 4K panel I've just been slack in getting around to flashing it. I'll see if a clean slate gets rid of it

 

Sacrilege Get on it bro!

 

Meanwhile in my XTU (I don't have Prema BIOS).

Stock: x42 core and cache, -150uv

Stable: 43 core & cache, -50uV

When I set voltage to 1.3V... stupid motherboard gives 1.3 to EVEN 1.5v... wtf? Even 1.25V + (-offset of 50) was giving 1.35-1.5v... wtf?

 

I have prema bios.My voltage on idle is 1.24v and full load 1.18v-1.19v

 

Ok, I've got 4x44 stable (with x44 on Cache).



And I think it's cap. Over it It will start to throttle probably.
Voltage around 1.187v - 1.23v. Didn't tested lesser yet.

@edit: Ok, with -115 and -111uV it starts to loose stability so -100 is max.
955 points in Cinebench 15, is that good?

 

All depends on how much bloat y00 have running in the background.

Spoiler: Cinebench R15 - 960cb with lower clocked 4.3GHz. From cold boot

 

A) you're not setting the base multi you're turboboost overclocking which is a bit different. You may not be getting full boost speeds all the time (and XTU graphs are bad at showing you that like most readouts they show max speed per time unit). Throttlestop gives a better indication by averaging out it's readings

Its how I do it as I like using speedstep to clock down at idle.

B) adaptive does that. I just recently went on this journey and found I was overestimating how smart the CPU was. Static voltage is just a better way to do it.

4.4 seems to be the sweet spot for my CPU though. Over that I start needing about 50mV and add 10W to peak load per 100MHz

 

Flashed that BIOS. I can delid and LM all day long but updating BIOS always scares the *** out of me.

No change :/ throttle still there

I think it might be XTU messing with something, will reinstall that and CCC.

 

That black screen after the update before it boots is always unsettling even to me

 

Well everyone, my P870DM-G has died today. Failed to boot properly with display not showing up at all. No sounds, no display via mDP or HDMI to external, ect and the unit shuts itself off shortly after booting. Worked perfectly fine on Sunday and didn't use it since with nothing changing...

Having to RMA it back to XoticPC and hope its still covered by warranty considering BIOS and a Delidded CPU...

EDIT: My desktop feels so weak now... havent used it in ages. Time to start fiddling...

 

Thanks a lot ... They really should ship these with the systems ...

Really saved my bacon .. hate to work on this REALLY expensive system blind.

 

I uninstalled XTU and CCC, just have TS through the Obsidian tool, throttle still there but seems less prevalent

I will be picking up a hugely OP HTPC replacement (5775C!) in the next couple days that has a 850 EVO M.2, will swap it from the 535 I have in this which was always intended to be temporary and probably do a OS reinstall to see if that helps.

I wonder if there's a BIOS setting buried in the VR/SA config pages that I can find to kick this thing in the butt, I can't even properly bench 4.6

Fresh BIOS/EC1/EC2 flash, loaded optimised defaults
Enabled overclocking
Disabled RSR
PL1 and PL2 to 160000
PL3 and PL4 to 200000
Current limits in Uncore/SA/VR Domains all set to 2000 (250Amp)
Fresh TS profile in TS 8.47 and its funky Obsidian colour scheme
Static voltage to 1.24V
Max turbo multi to x46
Anything I'm missing??

 

not sure but have you tried @Phoenix's bios settings for a CPU OC? that's the point of the BIOS is it not to OC without the need for XTU or TS?

 

Nice... I just tested that my current 980M is capable of +495 memory OC without artifacts, problems or any instability... to be sure i tested it for 50 minutes on Shadow of Mordor using 7,1gb VRAM...
Didn't tested 500, since I love numbers round to a hundred...

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/18975048
http://www.3dmark.com/spy/1479548

Stock vBIOS. Prema vBIOS "typically" for lame P870DM and it's pathetic cooling causes black screens... 4K is pushing cards to their limits... and vrms/mosfets... (average 140w on stock clocks). Thanks God that my current GPU has low asics and has higher voltage, and always holds +135MHz Core.

 

Liquid metal 75C max at 140W draw, 1351mhz/1.062V ftw and that's just the max on stock (prema vbios) volts

They still struggle on 4K sometimes, but more stutter and frame pacing than raw fps. I think its something architectural that isn't up for it, SLI bridge, render backend ROPs etc. Handles 2560x1440 and 2880x1620 flawlessly

I read there's a revision of the QHD 120Hz (B173QTN01.4) out that fixes the disgusting banding problems.

Edit: Might give it a go when it's more available

 

Yeah havent been able to find that panel anywhere though. Only AW systems seem to be coming with that AFAIK.

 

Is there some way to get the Prema BIOS or buy it directly from him? I'm on the stock Clevo BIOS and I can't really do anything with it. Still stuck using XTU.

It seems Clevo has abandoned support and manufacturing for this laptop (even though it's not even 2 years old) and my reseller just offers Clevo's stock options.

Feel like I'm stuck here.

Thanks.

 

Anyone with a GTX 980 desktop variant, what is your hardware ID?

I have a 10DE, 161A, but my subsys is 08701558, which is not even listed in any nvidia driver. I've tried doing modded inf files, but they still don't install. I'm goin to look to reformat later today when I get home, but i've never encountered this. I've tried stock 161A vbios and the @Prema vbios I have he made for me

 

Could you possibly go to device manager, and check your GPUs hardware ID? I'm guessing it'll be SUBSYS_08711558, no clue why mine is SUBSYS_08701558

 

Mythical / Golden / Legendary GTX 980

 

Thanks for that

Yeah IDK why mine is weird. I was able to use a modded inf to driver, but it's a stock clevo 980 that comes OEM on the P870DM-G, confused

 

Was it new? Any chance the Vbios was fiddled with?

 

So i got a replacement keyboard from sager and the lights work properly now [finally] but the odd thing is the battery says 0% and doesn't seem to be charging. is there a way to reinitialize or see what's going on with the battery?

edit: turns out windows power service wasnt running so had to restart that, and now its charging happily.

 

Man Bruh's! What be zappin? Been so long since I be postered on dis here Notebookreviews interwebs. anyhows:

My reseller (got me dat XMG U726 version of the P870DM-G) said by last Novemberizations Clevo'd be giving out dat sweet bios and EC update that unlockterate that current limit to the main board throttle 'i wipe your bum for you cuz you too dumb to do it yourself' bull-nonsense! dang: https://repo.palkeo.com/clevo-mirror/P870DMG/ Clevo dun forgot about us dumbasses that be buyin the sweet GTX 'first time ever desktop performances in dat laptop' 980 graphicalness.

So master bruhs: my question be: when dat Prema bios mod be openin' up to dat public for dat P870DM bruh's dat not be buyin the compy from them Prema bios mod partners?

I so much SO MUCH want my CPU and GPU to SIMULTANEOUS BE RUNNING PAST DEM DESIGNED MEGALHERZ BUT IT AINT BE POSSIBLE FOR ME JETZT.

Thanks bruhs,
Love, Old Greg

==> "Ever drink Bailey's from a shoe?"

 

I could be wrong, but I think you have to get it through a Prema partner where you purchased your computer from originally. Might be worth checking Prema's site or maybe messaging him to find out for sure though.

 

@Prema did have a placeholder page for the P870DM-G but it was removed. not sure why.

 

That guy passing off Prema's work as his work, happened.

 

fair enough then.

 

Yeah, and he seemed surprised that people were not taking kindly to what he did.

 

So XoticPC was nice enough to replace the motherboard on my unit without extra cost (within 2 year warranty). Gave me a fresh Sager BIOS though...

 

Was a used laptop, long story but bloodhawk and I were fiddling with bios and such to fix it, which we did with a special prema bios, but there were "other" issues that arose, made us restore to what originally was.

I have a new 980 coming from Origin anyway, so hopefully never again.

I have since then restored the original origin bios and ECs

 

i still have my 980 with prema vbios that i am not using need to figure out how to get rid of it.,

 

Tbh, can't imagine they'd be easy to sell lol

Origin is sending me one under warranty. Normally they require the laptop to be sent in, but they're running a special case to send me a card, install it, return the old one, since the most likely culprit is the card itself.

 

It depends if someone needs one, it's a fairly niche market though.

 

Hey bros - I gots a question. I repasted my GTX 980 DT class card recently. I left the 4 prong power cord unplugged and ran Heaven benchmark for like 10 minutes then remembered I didn't replug the power cord and plugged it back in.

Interestingly, Heaven benchmark ran just fine without the power cord plugged in so I started researching the power deliver on MXM 3.0b.

Now - Wiki says https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_PCI_Express_Module that this MXM type can deliver up to 200W. But some others like Eurocom site says its only capable of 100W. Some other forums debated this power delivery on MXM fiercely.

I'm curious if I could have damaged my P870dm motherboard or something running Heaven for a few minutes without the power cord? Heaven only draws up to 170W max on my system.

Thank you so much for your thoughts.