*** Official Clevo P870DM/Sager NP9870-G Owner's Lounge - Phoenix has arisen! ***

Ive heard about a lot of faulty hardware leaving their shop. Their packaging is very lackluster both in appearance and functionality. Then you get into the horror stories of wrong computers sent out and then months of sitting around waiting to get your product. I dunno I was really close to buying a sager from lpc digital today, but they not got back to me and I just really had a bad feeling about it after reading reviews about sagers.

 

Yeah most definitely, everyone has different uses for their machine. I just have always been a multitasker. Maybe it's my inability to concentrate on only one thing .I've really never been able to read a book from front to back since elementary, as I lose focus and tend to want to do other things.

I notice in literally any game I play, I will always alt tab randomly to look at something on the web, or chat with someone on another game platform, or even to browse streams or whatnot. It's just a habit I've formed a long time ago and been doing it since.

I also have a problem not being able to play a single player game. I require multiplayer, and involve my friends. If my friends quit a game, I quit it too. I guess it's the social aspect of games that I enjoy, more than the content itself. I've yet to try things like bioshock, skyrim, mass effect, etc. All these big names, never done.

Since I do windowed only, I can't SLI, I learned that the hard way when I invested in an Alienware 18 and realized that the SLI is pointless for me. When this phoenix was announced with the desktop 980, I was pretty ecstatic, and am working at selling my merchandise so I can get it.

I hope you keep working with this laptop that way I know that I'll have a great resource to use

 

Can someone with sli confirm the thickness of the pads are 2mm and 5mm like the 980? I'm about to put in an order for 2mm fujipoly 17W/mK. Performance pcs is going to check on a special order for me. If others are interested in this thickness, let me know (that is the max thickness for the 17W/mK pads).

 

Count me in that too!

Gaming was fun in earlier days. Now I play the games my girlies thought of! MASTER OF PUPPETS!!! MUHAHAHAHA!!!

 

I've had issues with mine but they've fixed them... It can be a fight though to get them to realize that there is an issue. My last RMA Sager had my machine for over a month and it took a lot of arguing and back and forth emails and phone calls to get them to actually fix it. Long story short though, its fixed now other than coil whine on one of my video cards that's both intermittent and annoying. I would say that my experience has been a mixed bag but for what its worth they did fix the machine in the end and Sager is huge. Smaller system builders are going to be able to take the time to make sure that machines work properly before sending them out in the first place. My machine would have failed QA at Mythlogic, I can tell you that.

 

P870DM?

https://twitter.com/LinusTech/status/667588164748337152/photo/1

Where is the 2nd gpu? Below the middle fan?

 

That is with the desktop 980. Look for the second mxm slot behind the middle fan!

 

If you are comparing web prices from Eurocom, I would definitely agree. They are high. If you did not call them and give them a chance to meet or beat a competitor's prices, that is more of a "shame on you" thing. If they refused that opportunity it would be "shame on them" but I doubt they would. That said, Mythlogic is awesome and I would not steer anyone away from them. They have a reputation of being supportive of overclockers, etc. I'm all about getting the best prices as long as quality and service are maintained and I would have recommended going back and forth between more than one vendor to get the best price humanly possible. One of them will want your money more than the other one.

The other thing to consider is how much is going to really be the same. I cannot say because I have no idea. I cannot imagine that Prema is going to just give them the Eurocom BIOS with another vendor's branding only because they are nice guys. I don't know any of their terms, and maybe there are players I have no need to know about based on my need to know basis, LOL. If I were @Prema, this is has been such a gigantic amount of work for both of us that no vendor would get it for free and it would be 6+ months before the public would get it for free. And, I would have my own "special" version for a few select friends and myself to dominate the competition. I think we could both buy two of these monsters totally maxed out on hardware configuration with cash if we were being paid by the hour, LOL. I can tell you from my exposure to it, this BIOS and vBIOS combo is worth $700 if you plan on keeping the machine for a while. It's so stinking AWESOME. But, this has been so much fun... and exhausting, too. I am very honored for being asked to help.

I had 5 kids, now grandkids. I know how that goes. We had 3 in diapers and two still drinking formula for a while, and flat broken, worn out, rode hard and put up wet is not an understatement. But, they're awesome adults now and I have grandkids. I always gamed at night after they were in bed until they were old enough to join me. We had as many as 6 computers on the home network and for a while every weekend was an all-night frag fest with my boys. I think they were the only kindergartners that had all of the Quake and UT maps memorized and used joyful exclamations like "Double-Kill" and "Headshot" to the horror of their teachers. That was years ago and I'd probably go to jail today for child abuse exposing them to such awesomeness at a tender age and they would end up in foster care because of the anti-gun idiots and their messed up agenda. By the time they were in Junior High they were kicking daddy's middle-aged heiney pretty bad in a lot of FPS games.

It's funny how we all have different levels of capacity for different things. I can focus intently for hours on something, but if I have to multi-task I go nuts, get grumpy and hate the world due to interruptions. But, I hate reading anything longer than magazine articles except as a cure for insomnia. It bores me to death, like watching paint dry, LOL.

 

That's the single desktop GTX 980. Right now only two 980Ms are available as an SLI option.

 

In that case, wanna borrow a case book from when I was in law school? Lol, j/k. Unless you only read one case at a time (Crim law and tort law was fun!!! True banana slip and fall cases (premises liability))!

 

I have been involved with legal matters for years and case law is something I do enjoy reading. Not so much for the reading part, but to have the upper hand. Legal practice (depending on what field) is much like gaming. I love tort law and being smarter almost always defeats the evil intentions of stupid people that are driven by secondary gain when they see deep pockets. A defense verdict when a loser/leech deserves nothing is priceless. A record-breaking award of general damages is priceless when shysters try to get cheap on people whose lives were permanently damaged by wrongful or negligent actions.

 

Those are the good parts... The pro-Corp spin can be updating at times though!

 

Does mythlogic get equipped with a prema bios from factory? Sorry I wasn't sure

 

So the 980 desktop can only be used in single config, not sli?

Can the smaller p75xdm use 980 desktop?

 

It depends on the version. The 200W desktop is different from the 180W. The 180W will be in the 775dm

 

Can you unlock the BIOS to 200w on the 775DM?

Or is the pcb hardwarely different so you can't do that?

 

It has less power phases. Realistically, there shouldn't be much of a difference between the two considering the overclocks that MSI machines have been pulling off.

 

Long time since I have had to hack hardware to fix a coil whine, but if you can isolate the component(s) that might be causing it, you can mute, dampen, change the tone of the whine by wrapping the component in silicone, foam, etc.

Sometimes pressing the component down against the board with/wo foam in between works quickest. I have found the variance causing some to whine vs other examples occurred during assembly. The components that whine were the ones not physically damped against the board.

I don't like to use the messy liquids, but some times you need that as well as the foam / physical brace.

If you have an SLI setup, you can run 1 GPU at a time to see which one is whining, if it happens with both individually, it might be a power supply component causing the whine - the power supplies are often noisy and need attention to reduce the noise.

Have you tried limiting FPS? Sometimes older games run away with FPS to ridiculously high numbers, limiting to 60-120fps as usable by your output screen(s) can stop that high FPS GPU whine.

If the coil whine is on the motherboard, try setting SpeedStep / Turbo off and see if that stops it. You can also change the Power Plan from Balanced to High Performance, that keeps the CPU clock high all the time, stopping variations that can cause coil whine from the motherboard.

 

I've already narrowed it down to the master GPU. It does it in 2D mode, goes away in 3D and it isn't always there. Its very strange. When it happens its nowhere near as bad as my 780 Ti (you can hear that whine across a whole room), its just one of those things that I'm going to just put up with. It does it on balanced more than high performance or power saver and since I usually use power saver at night to watch South Park on Hulu while I fall asleep (I set a 180 minute shutdown timer or 120 minute if I'm actually tired) and I use high performance most other times, it isn't a big deal. Its just frustrating with how many video cards this machine has been through that I have to deal with it at all.

 

Is your 2nd card usually in a lower power state? If so you could try to swap them and see if the usual states the 2nd card are in are less noisy.

 

@Prema BIOS mod is almost done. Looking good. Almost as good at 45x4 now as 47x4 previously.

Previous BIOS Mod - 47x4

Current BIOS Mod - 45x4

 

I'm not going to mess with it. I haven't cracked this machine open since Sager sent it back and I'm not going to unless I have to. This thing is too finicky and I've got 66C running Witcher 3 maxed out, I think I'll just leave well enough alone XD

Those benches are insane... I'm so jelly I might just have to go to

Spoiler

 

I have a question dual ethernet port using for?

 

http://www.killernetworking.com/technology/killer-doubleshot-x3

Can also be used to share wi-fi to other devices. That's something I've had to do in the past.

 

can you give me your exp from your P870DM because i just ordered the new one from HIDevolution

 

I haven't received it yet. I will write a review here when I do.

I ordered mine from Eurocom. Still waiting on those AUO 4K panels otherwise I would have had mine already.

 

So only @Matrix Leader have this device in forum?

 

there are a few others maybe they didn't review their units or hadn't had it delivered yet

 

I had one for about 48 hours to review from another owner and I was very impressed. With a bit of tuning and mods it is the best 980m machine out. With Primas bios it will be like lightning in a bottle.

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How about the heat, i read on notebookcheck site and i see heat on surface very high 68*C from the top left keyboard :-??

 

This was one of my biggest concerns too and one reason I choose the GT80 about a year ago moving from the AW18 with the same issue.
Honestly the keyboard or the heat from it didn't bother me and I didn't notice anything out of the ordaniary which was supprising. Keep in mind I didn't have the unit that long but I put it through quite a lot.

Below is a firestrike test everything stock with ICD paste and with the cpu current throttling. Impressive in my book for sure.





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notebookcheck uses default configuration, over volted, no delid, the review site is only good for general info not enthusiast info.

 

i think delid the cpu is danger, not have enough money for buy the other so under volted still the best choice

 

i see the throttling is the issue with any laptop now, the technology now not allow us make the better cooling system :/

 

The throttling issue with the p870dm is that the cpu stock just has too much voltage (typical of intel) and needs to be controlled with static voltage. MrFox and MatrixLeader worked this out on his machine so all cpu issues should be resolved by doing the same or using Primas bios once released.

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Oh i see that about the problem of @Matrix Leader solved :/, i ordered P870DM without OS so i wonder are their give me some driver dvd or i should go to their web download that =.="

 

Yes you will get a DVD with drivers to install so installing the os is a snap and the one I had was the same way.

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i concerning about windows 10 and nvidia driver, is it have any issue with P870DM? Because i read the alert in Matrix Leader topic with Nvidia driver can fried the gpu :/

 

So I know you guys always like MORE POWAR!!!

So how about running your Phoenix on up to 4 hours of battery. Truly a portable power solution if you need to have lots of juice on a long flight, or in the field. The power of this battery closely matches the DC output power of the charging brick at least for the 230 watt brick for the batman 2.0.
I need some specs for the Phoenix charging brick, and the battery. If someone could upload some pictures that would be great.

http://www.batteryspace.com/lifepo4...-19-2v-20ah-384wh-7a-rate-battery-module.aspx

 

I don't usually recommend win 10 because of the issues it can cause due to it being fairly new so I can't speak of it other than it does look good. I installed win 8.1 and didn't have any issues except with the latest nvidia driver throttling down so I rolled back to the version included on the disk and it was then fine. Just be sure to check the bottom ventilation once you receive your model to ensure nothing is blocked and run the fans in overclock or custom mode when gaming.

 

You mean block fan of laptop or the cooling pad? Or both of them?

 

It will make it much better and work flawlessly at stock or moderate overclock. Extremely excellent performance will only be had by those with @Prema BIOS. There are too many important CPU settings that are unavailable in the stock BIOS, which is the norm for laptops unfortunately. The goal is to have the EUROCOM SKY X9 break the mold and stop the legacy of lameness caused by crappy firmware crippled by the incompetence of ODMs that don't give a rat's butt about their products working right.

 

I think the issue I showed at stock settings with sli enabled not holding clocks due to cpu current throttling would keep me from saying it's flawless at stock. If the clocks would have held when gaming or benchmarking with both gpus and cpu running I wouldn't have posted the heads up.

It's a great machine but needs some tuning from stock if you and Matrix resolved it would you agree

EDIT:
I think I may have misread that you meant at stock clocks or a moderate overclock with your changes invoked. "It will make it much better and work flawlessly at stock or moderate overclock"

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The bottom laptop cover seems to have vents blocked. Do some searching and you can open up the airflow.

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i saw that mr. fox. 1.37v for 47x thats pretty amazing for skylake cpu. return of the high end era, unlike the BGA junk which they advertised as "push system to the extreme" at 3.7ghz LOOOLLLLLL. and when paired up with just a 240w psu "not recommended going over 37x multiplier" guess money went down the drain.

 

delid is pretty ok and imho worth every bit of it if you do it carefully. with CLU inside the IHS temp reduces greatly, we don't want CPU at 4.5ghz running at 100c now, 75-80c would be great.

 

Ice got that on my 4790k already... But the cooling on this is good...

 

1 month ago they said to me to wait until 20 of this month for the 4k aou display and 2days ago i recive the tracking number! can't wait

 

on 1 core please . Not on 4.

 

Well, they've only missed the mark by about 1.0GHz, give or take 100MHz.

This validation @ 4.8GHz was 1.362V, so not too shabby.

We are almost done with the BIOS for those that ordered from Eurocom. Probably won't need to wait much longer now. Spent some time with @Prema today fixing the screwed up Kingston HyperX 8GB 2666 SPD. So, we have 32GB now bootable up to 2800MHz and stable.

Here is a another video example without any G-SYNC/V-SYNC framerate crippling and a 1400/4000 GPU overclock. All very high settings as shown in the last one (except for the display changes shown in this one)
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Unfortunately, that's how some (i.e. Alienware) measure CPU overclocking. I haven't been interested in single core CPU performance since the first dual cores were released.