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naw, we dont talk about 1 core oc thats pointless. that 4.8ghz at 1.36v even beats my cherry 3940xm at 4.7 at 1.37 lol. well mobile gpu almost always the lower end i went through a lot to get that chip.

 

Here are some 4.7 and 4.8GHz benchmarks running on AC with @Prema's magic monster firmware. Don't be alarmed by the voltage. What you see is idle voltage. Under load it is in the neighborhood of 1.350-1.375V, not the high value.

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 (notebook) video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-6700K,EUROCOM SKY X9 powered by premamod.com
(1450/4000 GPU OC)



NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 (notebook) video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-6700K,EUROCOM SKY X9 powered by premamod.com
(1500/4000 GPU OC)


wPrime 32M and 1024M @ 4.8GHz


Cinebench R11.5 @ 4.7GHz


Cinebench R11.5 @ 4.8GHz


Cinebench R15 @ 4.7GHz


AIDA64 Memory Benchmark - 32GB DDR4-2666


AIDA64 Memory Benchmark - 32GB DDR4-2800


Almost high 14K physics score in 3DMark 11 on a i7 Quad is amazing. @Papusan is going to really like the wPrime and Cinebench results.

 

How you can do that with those cooling system =.=", but i have a question is core i5 have the temp lower than core i7 right or both of them have the same temp :-??

 

Don't get the core i5 CPU. Waste of money... get the 6700K and let that beast run like a banshee.

Sky X9 has a killer cooling system, and with Liquid Ultra it's even better. Add a delid to the mix and you're not going to have any thermal issues... especially not at a daily driver clock speed.

 

Iam intending to upgrade to core i7 few next month before i get the lappy, because now i not have enough money for that cpu =.="

 

Have you ordered? You might, either, hold off to order until you have it or, in the alternative, price the laptop without a cpu.

 

Have order it 2 day ago, now too late for do something because my bro bring it go back to vietnam on Dec 18 so if i change the order they will do that longer than i caculated =.="

 

You ordered the P870DM with the AUO 4K display and it shipped? What was the rest of your specs?

 

Why does Eurocom have the highest prices?
I've complied a spreadsheet with different quotes from Eurocom, Mythologic, Prostar, and resellers XoticPC, LPCDigital. I'm going with 16GB RAM, GTX 980 and the i7-6700k, 250GB SSD and 1TB HDD. With a 10% student I'm getting around 2.5k-2.8, all paid with an education grant which does not allow me to go too high. Eurcom however quotes it at 3.1k with discount, is it because of the cooling system you are talking about and the Prema mod (can it only be flashed on the Eurocom?). I have no experience whatsoever with Clevo laptops and have not talked to a rep by phone, might be able to get a bigger discount. Any thoughts on why they sell for more?

 

Depends what you are doing, if your games/apps don't use hyperthreading then it makes no difference.

 

They have the same cooling. The two that are Prema partners are mythlogic and Eurocom. You can always request a price match. Also, if you have cash that can be wired, that gives 3% with most vendors (check if this is in conjunction with the student discount). It is often the conversion rate they apply at issue.

 

The Sager special editions leverage their buying power to give you a nice set of parts above and beyond the stock config at excellent prices, don't forget to check us either

 

So, another person shopping based on web page prices?

Folks, please stop doing that. Pick two or three vendors and get an email quote for their best price showing the full configuration, then pick up the phone and call Eurocom. See if they will match or beat your best quote. If they can, great. If they can get close, ask what benefit you can expect from buying it from them for a few extra bucks. In the end, you decide, just don't assume anything based on web page prices. That's like shopping for a car based on window sticker... hopefully, nobody does that here.

Short Answer: Because they don't sell "ordinary" Clevos. They sell Eurocom products, that do stuff like this [ LINK].

In fact, they don't even want to be identified as a Clevo reseller. They are unique, as are a select few of their competitors. They support overclocking and doing things Clevo doesn't support and most Clevo resellers refuse to support (or cannot due to their business guidelines).

Having @Prema BIOS and vBIOS and not voiding your warranty by using them are pretty distinct advantages. Securing that level of amazing isn't free for Eurocom. Special firmware doesn't mysteriously appear from thin air... there are no Ex Nihilo creations going on here. I can tell you from my involvement that what has been accomplished has taken several hundred hours of labor modding, testing, modding, testing. People need to appreciate that and understand it's not like doing a GPU driver INF mod or tweaking a vBIOS with Svet's BIOS Tuner or Maxwell Tweaker. Heck, I've even had the system BIOS chip off the motherboard more than once to manually reprogram it because the mods didn't turn out as expected and bricked it. This is hard work, but fun and educational.

 

+1, What you said is the honest truth man,I to was like wow Eurocom's expensive.Everyone's experience differs and i don't expect anyone not to have a bad or good experience with any particular vendor.After a phone call and a few emails,I felt like Eurocom was literally giving the laptop away.

Sometimes you miss out more from not asking,than to ask and be denied.

That said regardless of prices(super great or ridiculous),its people like those vendors,this community and others whose responsible for those great choices we have.. KUDOS!!!

 

Well said, bro. +5 rep.

If people only knew how much work, they would not take the gifts of folks like @Prema, @svl7 or @johnksss for granted. We shouldn't take vendors like Eurocom for granted either. They are a huge blessing to us all.

 

Going to order my P870DM in 2-3 days.
Do I need Windows 10 to install drivers properly?
I have a Windows 7 license and wanted to either do a clean install or transfer my SSD with OS installed directly from my old laptop. But I've seen in this thread that I am going to encounter some problems if I decide to go with Win7, is it true?

 

Ei bro, exacly i ordered it 1 month ago, this is my full specs

 

They told me like a week ago that they hadn't received the 4K panels yet and had no ETA for me at all. -_-

I hope mine ships soon. Yours even has the GTX 980, they had told me they won't have those for awhile so I even switched to 980M SLI.

 

Maybe they have to much order to process.. Anyway just wait one week more and sent them a new mail.

 

Does mythlogic do discounts thru these boards?

 

Don't mean to interrupt anyone's questions, but when does someone post the give Mr. Fox and Prema a free rig petition?
Nice work gentlemen. If it wasn't for a new TV and Snowblower purchased this week I would have one on order. Maybe after XMas...
Thanks again.

 

Well, it depends on your configuration how much difficulty you may encounter. As long as you're not using NVMe SSD it should be really easy to do anything you want to if the stock BIOS has full CSM support.

I'm dual booting Windows 7 and 10 and everything except USB 3.0 drivers that I am using are the drivers for Windows 10. You will need to download USB 3.0 driver for Windows 7 from Intel Download Center, extract them to a folder on USB and browse to them during Windows Setup (same process as installing RST F6 drivers during Windows Setup) or your Windows 7 installation will not continue. I had to figure this out by trial and error because NOTHING in Windows Setup gives you a clue what driver it requires to continue. All it says is a necessary driver is missing and prompts you to install it.

If you are ordering NVMe SSD (which I do not recommend) Windows 7 has to be installed in a very deliberate way or it either will not boot, or the NVMe drives will not be visible. While the NVMe drives are insanely fast, I cannot recommend them (and would not personally buy them) because they will only function in a UEFI boot environment. Windows 7 doesn't particularly like that, and neither do I. I could not install Windows 7 to NVMe... had to install it to a slower 2.5" 850 Pro. My plan was to use one NVMe as a Windows 10 boot drive and the other as a Windows 7 boot drive, then but the two 850 Pros in a 1TB RAID0 volume as my "game drive" but that did not work out as planned. I could have done whatever I wanted to with ordinary M.2 SSD drives.

If NVMe supported Legacy BIOS I would recommend them in a heartbeat. It took me a long time, lots of trial and error, to figure out how to make Windows 7 work in UEFI with NVMe as a Windows 10 boot drive, and I'm not even 100% certain it will work with the stock BIOS. (I never tried it with the stock BIOS.) @Prema added a crap ton of features, including full CSM/Legacy BIOS support. Perhaps @Matrix Leader knows and has already installed Windows 7 on his machine with the stock BIOS.

If you choose to go with NVMe with Windows 7, you will need to install a Micro$loth hotfix for NVMe support.

 

Thank you, Mr. Fox!
I'm using an msata SSD, but I'm not sure about BIOS. You mean, BIOS on P870DM, my current laptop or both? My laptop is P150EM with stock BIOS.
But first of all, do I have to reinstall Windows at all?

 

You cannot use mSATA SSD unless it is an M.2 form factor. The P870DM has two 2.5" HDD/SSD bays and two M.2 SSD bays. NVMe is M.2 form factor, but not all M.2 SSD are NVMe. You can use either ordinary M.2 or NVMe in the P870DM. No conventional mSATA slots are available, and they are totally different physically than M.2. I do not know if the P870DM stock BIOS has full CSM support for Windows 7. It may, but I didn't see any menus for it and I never tried installing Windows 7 with the stock BIOS. I have no experience with the P150EM and my response was with respect to the machine you ordered, not your current machine. I would absolutely recommend doing a clean Windows install if you ordered a machine with no OS. I do not condone moving over a old Windows installation from a different machine unless it is identical specs, and even then I am not really a fan of the idea. There are some programs that support "deploy to new hardware" (Macrium Reflect is one that does) but I have never used that feature. I think you are just begging for bugs if you try that. Performance and stability stand to suffer. It won't cause any harm to try it, just don't expect much and then you won't be too disappointed if that does not work out well.

 

Windows 7 SP1 Genuine ISO which installs any edition of Windows you want (Home, Pro, etc.) that has the Samsusng 950 PRO NVME Hotfix + Driver integrated, didn't try it myself but that should work:

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B3osy_Ivg498LThsaGJoRnBtRFk

Other than integrating the NVME hotfix and the Samsusng 950 PRO NVME Driver, the ISO is not touched, so you will need your genuine product key to activate it.

@Mr. Fox

EDIT: Link removed as the install failed, even though I have integrated the Samsung 950 PRO driver and the hotfix for NVMe support, I wasn't able to see the SSD to install Windows 7 on it.

 

can u pass prime 28.7 with that voltage at 4.8? my 3940xm couldnt it almost always crash but any other stress test won't crash at all.

also if u turn off HT thats like additional 8-10c off under load. i wish we can toggle HT on/off within windows.

 

Mr fox one question,i want soon to extend the memory up to 32 Gb..
Its better the kingston 2400mhz or wait the 2666mhz version?

 

Get 2400 and overclock it to 2666 or 2800. Save the money. The 2400 memory seems more stable at 2666 OC than the 2666 memory does to me, especially 4x4GB. 32GB (4x8GB) of 2666 is not available for sale. The sticks I have are prototypes and they are anything but stable. They have required extensive modding with Thaiphoon Burner to be usable and they're still not as stable as the 16GB of 2400 overclocked. If you haven't read the review I posted at PremaMod.com, please do so. That is explained there.

 

Thank you for explanation, didn't think about mSATA compatibility somehow, you've saved me from a possible frustrating experience. Alright, I've changed my order to add an SSD, will do a clean Win 7 install on it, not sure if I want to upgrade to Windows 10 yet though...

 

My order from XoticPC finally hit phase 1. Now the waiting game...

 

Got mine from Origin PC today. The price difference really isn't that much more than any of the other dealers. Got a lot of free extra stuff too so I'm not complaining. Did the Fall Into Savings deal and got a $100 Amazon Gift Card, a choice of either Assassin's Creed Syndicate or Rainbow Six Siege, Just Cause 3, Star Citizen Digital Bundle, and $20 in-game currency for any Trion game, not to mention very good customer service. Not complaining at all. Now, the wait.

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I'm waiting for mine from mythlogic now. So far so good my only gripe is that most of these custom shops don't do even marginal Overclocks or tuning in house during the testing phase. MrFox Is there any chance you could do a simple guide with modified stock settings using prema and standard programs. While i would love to do a full overhaul I just don't have the money for replacement parts atm and just want to optimize from a stock build with diamond paste and stock cooling. I can understand if you don't have time, but it surely would help new comers like myself feel more confident =).

 

Overclocking is usually best left to the experienced end user, you do start to run into warranty issues when talking about ocing on that scale.

 

Just placed my order.
My config is:
i7 6700k
16Gb RAM (2400MHz)
970m SLI G-Sync
128Gb SSD + 1Tb HDD

Waiting has never been so painful.

 

Always the worst bit

Nice config

 

Can't decide Batman 2.0 or wingman or Phoenix... I really like the idea of 17" 4k Gsync but doesn't look like it's going to happen :/ anytime soon and it may not even happen at all. HDCP 2.2 is also a big issue for me but no one has the answer it seems. So I'm going to assume it doesn't have it.

So what to do...

 

was it corsair that made 2866mhz ddr4 sodimm ram at 64gb? also apacer had NOX ram at 3000mhz 64gb for laptop as well, although not sure if they are available for purchase yet.

 

Depends on what you want to do with it. If the primary usage is gaming, your better choices are Wingman or Phoenix. If you want a 4k screen and 4k gaming, you may be limited to Phoenix 980m sli, and even those are going to struggle.

 

The mxm 3.0B not support graphic cards with more of 100W power consumption? If i buy this laptop, and nvidia launches pascal descktop for notebooks, this isn't compatible in SLI? or B and C only refer to the size of the pcb but not the consumption?

980 desktop is bigger pcb but pascal wouldn't have to be by memory HMB.

 

Can't seem to get any decent overclock on the 980 core or memory, wondering more about the memory. Is it because of the stock vbios? What kind of numbers are people pulling without prema's magic? Also repasted with GC Extreme its at 60s mostly, sometimes 70s centigrade under load.

 

Actually... you were right, bro. It does have some kind of weird thing going on. As best I can tell it is a Skylake thing. I did some poking around on the web and it seems desktop owners are reporting similar nonsense with Skylake. Nothing I do can stop it. I did fix a serious throttling problem entirely that @Matrix Leader was having. It was making the Current Limit Throttling bar at the bottom turn yellow, even at idle, primarily because the voltage is too high.

After I thought about what you said I got curious, so I ran XTU full screen and 3DMark 11 Test #1 in Window mode and the 6700K does some kind of silly dynamic clocking like you saw in the video. That is even with C-states disabled in the BIOS. I have full access to CPU power settings, including ring and uncore, and no settings I can change affect that. It's not even close to using up the TDP available. If you use the @Dufus tool provided in ThrottleStop, it shows the error is EDP for Ring, but I've spent about 3 hours testing ring ratios, voltage and watts and I've arrived at the conclusion it was designed this way on purpose. The behavior is exactly the same stock or overclocked. Maybe @unclewebb can shed some light on it. What is really weird, CPU can be running full blast without GPU and nothing happens. Even a minor GPU load causes it, but it does not appear to impact performance (obvious with my insane benchmarks) in any way. It's like the CPU and GPU take polite turns having the power instead of competing for it in a dog-eat-dog manner and both using up all they want, plus a little extra for good measure (which would be my preference). While it does not seem to hurt performance at all, I don't like that. I had much rather have it exhaust itself and shutdown instead of compromising.

When you have time do some web searching. Some desktop owners are seeming to have it way lots worse than this relatively minor thing we've stumbled onto by accident. I think this problem may be a free at no extra charge " feature" from the panty-waisted energy conscious brain-dead idiots from Intel or NVIDIA. I think there is a chance it could be NVIDIA drivers also. Will see what @Prema says. I don't know if he has the ability to delete PWRCAPS from the EC or not. That's very similar behavior to what NVIDIA did to shaft me with 780M throttling issues, only it's the GPU(s) and not the CPU. I despise any effort using "dynamic" behavior to reduce power consumption... really pisses me off even though it does not hurt performance from all indications. Makes me wonder how much performance we are losing because of losers that like to use less electricity and are willing to sacrifice something to do that. I want to see thermonuclear balls-to-the-wall full-on extravagant power-gobbling going on in gigantic buckets full of excess all the time... stupid tree-hugger tech makes me mad, even if it is really fast.

Thank you for being pushy about it. Otherwise, I would have thought you were talking about the issue I already corrected, which is not this one.

Edit: Here's a photo for @Prema and @unclewebb. Prema is on vacation, so if it is fixable it won't be immediately. If it's made that way on purpose from Big Blue or the Jolly Green Giant, or the ungodly conspiracy of both, it may never be exactly how we want it with Skylake in a desktop or notebook. It is still impossible to deny what amazing performance this machine and the 6700K offers. 3DMark 11 physics scores that are dangerously similar to Sandy and Ivy desktop 6-core CPUs is beyond amazing for a quad core.

 

Thanks Mr. Fox for taking time to dig further and replicate the issue, this shows your true dedication to this project as its much appreciated. I should have mentioned the EDP findings as I remember this too reported in Ring, I questioned the throttlestop tool simply because of skylake being new and I wasn't sure if it was actually supported so its good to know that its a viable resource and I shouldn't have left out that key info. I will continue to dig and pass forward anything that I might find and listen in for any updates.

 

Big Display News!! This could mean 17" 4K is right around the corner, and these are touch screen! Hopefully they get G-Sync.

The new N series laptops come in two different sizes. The first, the N552, has a 15.6 inch display, while the larger N752 has a 17.3 inch screen. Both however come with the same 4k (3,840 x 2,160) IPS panel, with a 100-percent sRGB color palette.

http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/asus-n-series-laptops-get-skylake-cpus-4k-displays/

 

Hi, just one question
is P870dm using the same 30 pin edp connector for the auo 4k screen and the 1080P LG screen?
so basicly means I can upgrade the screen after market and the older P375 model can use the auo 4k screen right?

 

@sturmtiger - Not sure. Probably so. I don't have an older 30 pin eDP Clevo (or anything else with eDP) available to test that theory. My Panther and all 3 Alienware systems are LVDS.

@GTVEVO - I also reached out to @johnksss to see if he is familiar with this and knows what the deal is. The Alienware 18 has a similar issue with Haswell CPU throttling to 800Mhz under massive system load and I thought is was stupid Dell thing due to the inadequate 330W AC adapter, but maybe not... might be a stupid Intel or NVIDIA thing. What is so bizarre is CPU clocks are high enough that nobody would ever notice because framerate seems unaffected and everything is totally smooth. (At 800MHz it's not smooth, but thankfully that's not happening here.)

 

nothing?

 

Hi all,
After reading all the hype here about the 870, I pulled the Trigger today. Just ordered the XMG U726/Clevo 870DM-G from Schenker (mysn.de). Now comes the hard part....waiting......
Here are the Specs:
XMG U726 ULTIMATE Gaming Notebook
. 43,9 cm (17.3") Full-HD (1920*1080) Non-Glare IPS mit G-SYNC
. 2x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970M 6144MB GDDR5 SLI
. Intel Core i7-6700K | 4 Core | 8 Threads | 4,0 - 4,2GHz | TDP: 91 Watt
. 16GB (2x8192) SO-DIMM DDR4 RAM 2400MHz HyperX Impact
. 250GB m.2 SSD Samsung 850 EVO (MZ-N5E250B)
. 250GB m.2 SSD Samsung 850 EVO (MZ-N5E250B)
. 1000GB SATA-III SSD Samsung 850 EVO Series (MZ-75E1T0B)
. 2000GB SATA-III 5400U/Min Samsung Spinpoint M9T (ST2000LM003)
. External DVD-Multinorm-Burner Slim USB: Samsung SE-208
. Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 8260 (inkl. Bluetooth)
Processor Delidded and repasted

It was really helpful reading the all threads before making a final descision about accessories. Now if I can get my hands on the Prema Bios (when it's released to the public) it'll be an awesome machine....

 

Yes, it supports over 100W. The specs has morphed and it has more capacity than originally published. Nobody has enough information to answer the other questions. Will have to wait and see what the future holds. I predict it will be progressively gloomy for overclockers as the tech world focuses on making smaller pathetic crap that runs on batteries and has a slimy touch screen instead of being consumed by a quest for awesomeness.

 

@Mr. Fox - On the Skylake desktop CPUs, Intel eliminated the register that contains specific information about throttling. Usually when Intel does something like this, that register will be disabled in newer CPU designs. In this case, Intel is still using this register in Skylake CPUs but the data in the Limit Reasons register no longer has anything to do with throttling.

If you run the Limit Reasons program on a desktop Skylake CPU, it will report random and meaningless information. I think this information is gone in the mobile Skylake CPUs too. I plan to disable the Limit Reasons button in ThrottleStop when running on a Skylake CPU for this reason.

 

That's great news. I wondered if it was misinformation. Thank you for responding. I wasted about three hours tweaking CPU, uncore and ring voltage, watts and time windows trying to adjust the problem away without any luck.

The question I still have is why the dynamic clock behavior even with c-states disabled? I like my CPU cores to run at the speeds I tell them to run, and they do when the CPU is fully taxed. When it is not taxed and the GPU(s) have load they begin to fluctuate. I hate the way that looks, but it seems to have no detrimental effect on performance at all. For example, the 3DMark 11 Combined test tax both CPU and GPU and neither one throttles at all, but in the GPU-only tests the CPU clocks are never static, although with c-states disabled they are static at idle (which is when I especially want them to be static, so that part is good). I do not like dynamic CPU or GPU behavior at all, so maybe I'm just being OCD about the appearance of it and need to let it go.

Did you happen to notice the kudos I gave you in my review of this machine at PremaMod.com yet? You and ThrottleStop are mentioned on page 5.