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There are smaller 980 cards though, just not the 200 watt one but perhaps the 180 or 150 watt cards could work. Nothing has been announced yet though except for the GT80s wtih dual 980s.

 

That might be the reason why mysn doesnt offer 980m sli I think.

 

I see

 

Even a fully unlocked GM200 card has trouble keeping up with the 980m SLI setup.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/8902908

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/5023396

They can even come close to 980s:

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/9404366?

Of course, that's in firestrike. Things are a bit different in 3DM11:

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/9905398

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/10548971

 

Hehe, my Desktop has 3 laptop GPUs XD

 

Guys is it normal that when I am using the battery my clock speed drops down to 2.29GHz even on the high performance plan?

 

I'm pretty sure both my M18x and my Panther 5 kept the CPU clock speeds under load even if I was on battery, I don't remember.

Did you try putting a load on the CPU and see what it clocks at?

 

Yep, that´s normal. The P7xxZM´s and P7xxDM´s do the same.

 

yup, no different

 

cpu core park, registry in windows seems doing the thing from the back. ms power plan has a lot of hidden thing basically you'll need to change each option to what it seems like its on AC to get the similar performance.

 

For anyone here running the Clevo P870DM-G with SLI 980M. What sort of issues do you have? Are you able to run using the laptop display and 2 external monitors?

 

All things being equal an SLI setup needs a fairly hefty advantage for a smoother gaming experience than a single larger card

 

I don't think I have really heard of anybody complaining about that. It is designed to run monitors and the laptop screen at once.

 

I would recommend intel AC at this point in time, carefree stable experience, plus you get BT 4.2 vs 4.1.

Although I still wonder what was the actual problem with the AC-1535 and Killer Network Manager interaction because using it with just the barebones drivers without the suite was a stable experience and my connection never dropped when put under heavy load which was downloading steam games while playing MP game and streaming a YouTube video. I can achieve the 100mbps down/up with both cards that my ISP provides at 1ms ping with both cards, so in the end its not a difference of performance but rather stability.

If you remember, I ordered and returned another AC-1535 to test out if it was a hardware problem and it had the same issue, so unless another part is capable of causing this that I'm not aware of, it is safe to assume that it was a software issue. Although if anyone can offer aid to a solution that can accommodate the Killer Network Manager it would be appreciated, as who does not want extra features that are inherently there right?

 

Yeah, SLI playable framerate is different from non SLI playable framerate.

 

Full video review here:

 

Morning everyone (or Evening depending on where you are),
I should be getting my 870 this week from XMG/mysn so I'm trying to get everything prepaired ahead of time so the setup will (hopefully) go smoothly. I've read the entire 138 pages of this thread (man, my eyes were tired) to try and get a leg up on the install process but there are a few points I'm still unsure about so I'll run through my plan and and if anyone sees anything wrong or knows a better way please chime in.

Here's my Specs.
XMG U726 ULTIMATE Gaming Notebook
. 43,9 cm (17.3") Full-HD (1920*1080) Non-Glare IPS mit G-SYNC
. 2x NVIDIA GeForce GTX 970M 6144MB GDDR5 SLI
. Intel Core i7-6700K | 4 Kerne | 8 Threads | 4,0 - 4,2GHz | TDP: 91 Watt
. 16GB (2x8192) SO-DIMM DDR4 RAM 2400MHz HyperX Impact
. 250GB m.2 SSD Samsung 850 EVO (MZ-N5E250B)
. 250GB m.2 SSD Samsung 850 EVO (MZ-N5E250B)
. 1000GB SATA-III SSD Samsung 850 EVO Series (MZ-75E1T0B)
. 2000GB SATA-III 5400U/Min Samsung Spinpoint M9T (ST2000LM003)
. Zusätzlicher externer DVD-Multinorm-Brenner Slim USB: Samsung SE-208
. Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 8260 (inkl. Bluetooth)
. ohne Betriebssystem
. ohne Microsoft Office
. Beleuchtete Tastatur DEUTSCH

1. Win7 Ultimate install: made a USB Flash drive and slipstreamed the USB 3.0 drivers, SP1 and most of the Security Updates into the package.
2. Ordered CLU for Delidding and repasting as XMG doesn't offer the service.
Here is where things become a little Grey...I've read the CLU can't be used on Alu. Are any of the Heatsinks in the 870 ALu? Can I use the CLU for Delidding, CPU and GPU Heatsinks?
3. Have lots of 600, 800, 1000, and 2000 grit Sandpaper to Lap the IHS(?) on the CPU and Heatsink faces. I was planning to span the IHS in my Milling Maschine and taking about .1mm off the foot (the side that lays on the PCB board) of the IHS to ensure better contact between the Prosessor and the IHS (I know...Probably not necessary but as an Engineer I hate to have things that don't work to their full potential...).
4. DL'd XTU so I can do the slight OC (ca 4.2 Ghz) and Undervolting untill the Prema Bios is released. Here is another Grey area for me...I saw the posts where Mr.Fox and Matrix Leader were working on a stable OC profile (42x4 & 43x4) but later said they were unstable, then came the build with something like 43,42,41,41x4 and couldn't tell if it was the definitive answer or not. Is there a stable profile floating around? I know I'll have to play with the UV a bit to get it exactly right according to Mr. Fox.
5. GPU vBios, I see there is a vBios on Premas website for the 970's but from what I gather it's not for the 870DM's. Is this correct?
6. Drivers.....This is where I'm really unsure about things. I've looked on the Clevo website Driver link posted here or in the Review thread and they are all for Win 10. I searched the Vendor websites for Win7 drivers and other than the Soundblaster Drivers I came up empty handed. Will Win 7 have the correct drivers in the install package for the WiFi card, SSD stuff, and Thunderbolt etc....
6.1 Nvida Drivers, There seems to be a problem with some Nvida drivers if I am understanding correctly, which Drivers function correctly with the 970 SLi?
7. Display OC'ing, From what I've read the IPS G-Sync display is OC'd stock to 75Mhz but can be pushed to 100. Where is this done? in the vBios or in the Nvida Software?

Sorry for such a long post but I like to have all my Ducks in a row before I start something. This extremely long Thread and how everyone worked together to solve issues was the deciding factor in the purchace and outfitting of my new beast.

Thank you all,
Rick

Oh well, for some reason the Spoiler thing on the Specs didn't work....

 

So, after a little more messing around with XTU, I've found that any change to the voltage +/- will cause a crash after being idle for a little, even if I quit out of XTU completely after making the change. I setup a static voltage profile and the same issue is happening. Really not sure what's happening, memory dump is corrupted and windbg can't read it, error events don't show anything useful. Pretty frustrating issue, I've seen some people have had sort of similar issues but can't find a concrete solution. Thanks for trying though!

I've also seen Prema mention that Metabox has a partnered with him for mods on select models, do I just shoot off an email to Metabox and ask them about mods for the P870DM? Or is there somewhere else I should be heading too?

Anyway, in spite of a minor issue this Notebook really is incredible, to anyone still thinking about it - you wont be disappointed! As others have mentioned, the speakers in particular are surprisingly good. Now I just gotta hope nVidia end up releasing a desktop pascal for notebooks too (definitely prefer the single strong GPU, but to each their own!)

 

I would speak to your reseller yes, they may be able to help you out.

 

OK, I have removed all reference to Alienware products from my signature. I'm selling my M18xR1, M18xR2 and all of the spare parts to buy a replacement for my broken 980M, a 4960X upgrade (both for the Panther) and saving any leftover cash to put toward a dual GTX 980 SLI Sky X9.

 

Depending on what the situation is, your reseller might not know how to help you, and it is possible the problem is a result of user error. After a couple hundred hours of trial and error tweaking, I have figured out a few things on this new plaform. I still have plenty left to learn myself, but might be able to help.

Can you please post a screen shot of your XTU settings with all controls visible, like this one below? I need to see everything you have set. You have an unlocked BIOS? The problem may be incorrect manual settings on menus that have no corresponding control in XTU, and there are a TON OF THEM. Have you changed any BIOS settings? If so, try resetting BIOS defaults and make sure your SATA and Boot Options are correct before you save and exit the BIOS.

 

Difficult to find one being sold with a 4K screen at a reasonable price for US customers (HIDevolution is the only one I could find).

I contacted Prostar and RJTech and they said 4K would be available in December, but I am skeptical

 

Supply could be a challenge, especially if demand exceeds what is available. I understand there may be some people that need 4K for a legitimate business purpose. I would discourage anyone that has not used a laptop with 4K display from buying one because you may not like it. I have used several laptops with 3K and 4K displays and I do not want one at all. They look very beautiful at first, but scaling issues and tiny 17.3" screens (or even smaller) make the experience miserable if you are not accustom to everything being skewed. You have to really jack up the scaling to make fonts large enough to read and when you do that Windows (especially Windows 8 and newer) really screws up the text on menus and dialogue boxes, causing everything to be truncated. The performance hit in gaming I also found more undesirable than the minor improvement in appearance. Increasing the scaling to improve text readability introduces even more issues and that defeats one of the main advantages which is having more usable screen real estate. You lose a lot of the screen real estate with higher scaling.

I'm not saying don't do it, only recommending don't do it if you are not 100% certain that you will be pleased with the outcome. And, for the love of God, don't do it only because it seems like a popular feature with your friends on Facebook, LOL.

And, this is not a reply to @StoreClerk about anything except for availability. He may need it... I don't know. The warning is a generic admonition for anyone reading it to be cautious about taking a leap of faith on 4K with your eyes closed because when you open them you may end up being pissed off at yourself. I have experience with 4K and will only choose 1080p for a display small enough for a laptop. I would only go 4K on like a 24" or larger screen. At least try to locate a laptop with 4K (any laptop) that you can use for a day or two first to find out if you like it before spending extra on the 4K screen. You definitely owe it to yourself to find out if you like it. If you do like it, buy it... buy two, or three. Just find out first before spending any money on it.

 

Mr fox is possible to install os on ssd m2 samsung sm951 in raid 0?
Because i ve tried but nothing.. It is possible only inside the hard drive

 

ATM, there is no firm ETA for the 4K screen for this model. The broad ETA is December...sometime. Hope it is soon...

 

Yeah I'm starting to think it won't be until January where systems with the 4K display will actually ship.

However if anyone needs the 4K display NOW, you can order from Eurocom. They have them. One of the members here already received theirs and I should HOPEFULLY have mine within two weeks.

HIDEvolution also has them but they get theirs from Eurocom anyways.

 

Hi
my P870 seems to throttle @ 80 degrees, how did you solve with this problem?
in witcher 3 the GPU reaches 80 which auto fan so the clock drops a bit
but the cores should be fine with this temperature
which really annoyed me

 

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 (notebook) video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-6700K,EUROCOM SKY GX9 powered by premamod.com



NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 (notebook) video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-6700K,EUROCOM SKY GX9 powered by premamod.com



NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 (notebook) video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-6700K,EUROCOM SKY GX9 powered by premamod.com

 

Yes, Windows 8 or newer. You have to install the drivers manually. Download the Intel NVMe drivers, Intel USB 3.0 drivers (for Windows 7) and Intel Rapid Storage Technology F6 x64 drivers. Extract all of them to a folder on your USB Windows installer thumb drive and that browse to the folder when Windows Setup gives you the option to install drivers. You have to install them one at a time. I haven't been able to install Windows 7 to NVMe. With drivers installed it will see them and access them for data, but my Windows Boot Manager has to be on a regular SSD or Windows 7 refuses to load.

If I buy one of these machines I won't be buying NVMe SSD. They are extremely fast, but way more hassle than they are worth IMHO. I like stuff to just work, and they don't "just work" for me without some degree of rigmarole, and I hate having to run in UEFI mode... like Legacy/CSM much better... no rigmarole or hassles to have to fart around with.

For stock clocks, take voltage off of "Default" and set it to 1.175V and that will "un-gray" the button to set Static. Click Static. Ignore the voltage reading shown in XTU. You just set it at 1.175V and XTU will show higher voltage. Don't worry about it.

If that doesn't help, please post a screen shot of your XTU main window for all settings so we can have a look. The 1.175V should be good for up to about 43x4, maybe higher.

Skylake CPU has "adaptive" clock speeds in gaming when the CPU is not taxed 100%. It will only run as fast as it needs to. If you run a benchmark that taxes the CPU 100% it will run 100%.

 

@Mr. Fox How high can a nice Overclock be on Gtx980 24/7? If you have the answer; Can you run a 3Dmark11 benchmark with this OC on gpu? Run as normal 4.3Ghz on processor. Thanks.

 

Yo @Mr. Fox , have you tried doing a direct comparison of Firestrike in Windows 8.0 vs 8.1 vs 10? I think 8.0 scores higher than them all but maybe that changed with the latest update. My plan was to do Windows 10 as the main os on the 950 pro, then i'll use a usb hdd to dual boot. Windows 7 for 3DM11 and Windows 8.0 for firestrike.

 

Hello,

I am a first time here! But I read a lot of items here! I recently bought a Sager NP9870-S. With an upgrade of 512gb Samsung 950 Pro M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD (Boot Drive) and 16GB HyperX CL14 Dual Channel (4x8GB). I may receive it before the year ends. I have a few questions regarding with laptops.

1. What is the safe temps for CPU and GPU?

2. I ordered with an IC Compound Thermal Paste, Sager is not offering CLU. Do I need to repaste it? I haven't got any experience with it and I am a little clumpsy.

3. Why Intel doesn't offer a chip with CLU as it's thermal paste instead of their stock paste? So that users don't need to delid the chip just to repaste it.

4. I want to learn about mild or safe OC'ing for both CPU and GPU. Is it possible with a 330w PSU and an IC Thermal Paste on both CPU and GPU?

Thanks in advance!

 

Why would they? Cuts into profit margins and its not like you are gonna buy amd.

If they want to fix the problem, they would just use flux-less solder like before.

 

Running my delidded 6700K with Liquid Ultra at 4.7GHz temps are similar to my M18xR2 at 4.5GHz. I am using ThrottleStop and my default profile is 4.5GHz and the temps are about the same as 4.3GHz on the M18xR2. I don't overclock my GPUs 24/7, but in benching at 1435 on core they are not going over 69-71°. I played Black Ops 3 the other day with the 980 running 1400/2000 and made a video of it. It's in this thread. Have a look at the temps in that video. The 6700K is the coolest running and easiest to overclock CPU I have ever owned. If it had at least 2 more cores and 4 more threads it would be totally off the hook crazy... for a Quad it's already insanely powerful. The three benchmarks I ran today were run sitting in my lap in my living room recliner. No AC cooling, just max fans and the sucker never once got hot, LOL.

I have not, but I suspect you are correct and it would be better with Windows 8.x. Fire Strike is one of very few benchmark that Windows 8.x beats Windows 7. All of my Windows 10 testing shows Windows 7 and 8.X both perform better than Windows 10 in almost everything. Windows 7 is superior at just about everything except Fire Strike.

 

This sounds awesome. Have no time to wait for an upgraded Clevo P570 if it comes. This is what I have been waiting for. The Norwegian online store have none of this in stock now but will be stocked again. The few that they had were out of stock immediately. I'm now waiting for a email response from the web store what they can offer. Finally something to buy .

 

Trust me. It is... very... awesome. You will love this machine.

 

Can guarantee you that I never listen to BGA people . This means 4.5Ghz OC 24/7 if everything goes according to my plan. Nice.

 

Try this 4.7GHz Vantage CPU test with a Haswell Blast Furnace. No stinking way! Not even 3920XM can touch this... I have never seen such a cool running CPU and full load voltage is under 1.350V at 4.7GHz. Again, sitting in my lap in my recliner, LOL. Nice!

 

Maybe if I have extra time I'll do a windows 8.0, 8.1 and 10 firestrike run and see on my desktop for comparison. I'm debating whether I should run Windows 10, 8.1 or 7 on my Sky X9. I was leaning towards 8.1 but I don't know.

 

Look forward to number crunching with new hardware

 

my problem was the limitation on temperature it can reach before throttle.
I want to know how to loose this limitation to maybe 90 degrees.
cuz the M980 can reach 80 degrees @1227mhz in witcher 3 (so far I only had problem with witcher 3, it can heat up the GPU like furmark dose, not even COD12 can do anything close to that)
with auto fan setting, I really don't want to use higher fan speed cuz it's too noisy.
it will reduce to 1189mhz when it reaches 80, which should be the base clock of this card.

 

I have the standard BIOS and I haven't altered any of the settings, not that there's much to change lol. Is the voltage just set too low?

 

I went as low as 1.1V for a while and I thought it was stable. Then all of a sudden when I restart, Windows took a very long time to load then when I launched XTU it said it has reset my settings due to instability. I think on the long run, this is not a very good idea to go that low.

 

Could you explain something please? Does 6700k in P870dm look like the one on the right after delidding? Don't you break heatsink geometry by that? It has been already asked and I've seen a post here that told that you actually leave the metal cover in place for exactly this purpose. If so, I don't understand how the contact between the paste and the cover is maintained.
Also, did I get it right that Intel uses some mediocre paste, and after some time it needs to be repasted (if so, how much approximately?)

 

Especially with laptops you usually put the lid back on because otherwise you create a gap that is hard to negate.
If you don't seal it again and therefore eliminate the black silicone sealant , you'll already create better contact between the die and the lid(called IHS). The spring that holds the whole CPU in place is enough to keep the IHS on.
I'd wager their paste needs re pasting just like you normally would for paste on the heat sink. Personally I'd check temps after a couple months and re paste if they got worse. But 1-2+ years shouldn't be a problem...

 

Hello. I'm new here. I read this 140 pages and can not find an answer. I have an Alienware 18 and want to buy a P870dm with 980. My question: How do the two differ in the volume while playing. The AW 18 is very quiet during play. Thank you.

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Thanks Mr fox, anyway i installed the os in a hybrid solid state for now.. I don't know why but i didn't found the m2 ssd in computer .. I can see it only inside the bios.. I have to activate something for use them as a secondary drive when os is active? Because in "computer" i have only the drive c and thats it.. Maybe i have to do something in the bios?

 

What OS version? Windows Setup cannot see NVMe drives unless you use the option to install drivers during Windows Setup. If you have them in RAID0 you will likely have to install Intel RST F6 drivers also, as previously explained. On the screen where it shows the drives (and the NVMe drives are not visible) choose the option to install driver (button) and browse to the Intel NVMe drivers and Intel RST F6 driver mentioned in my post. If you are installing Windows 7 you will need Intel USB 3.0 drivers also, installed in the same manner.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...enix-has-arisen.781814/page-138#post-10146989
check this video, there is a part with fan level recorded (12:23)

 

This is very quiet also, and runs cooler than the 18.