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Especially when pascal is around the corner. I'm starting to hope it's not mxm so I'll have a reason to upgrade and give my zm to my brother.

 

I would be surprised to see a high end mobile pascal before Q4 of next year...

 

Stop making me eyeball the phoenix

 

Just an educated guess by looking at recent road-maps and their constant changes and push-backs...

 

Got it. I was just joking.Sorry if it came out wrong.

 

I must have missed the "came out wrong" part.
Even after reading your post again I can not even imagine how to take it in a bad way...LOL

Just wanted to make sure that people know that I am just guessing in this case.

 

Perhaps someone can provide you the source, but in regards to Skylake, I know I read that ALL Skylake CPUs for the next 14+ months are scheduled to be 4 core CPUs.

I cannot find an official note on this, so will stand corrected if someone knows otherwise.

 

I would also be surprised to see the flagship mobile pascal card out before Q4 of next year. We JUST got the 980(actually it's not even released yet), so I'll be getting dual 980 SLI in the Phoenix.

I doubt we'll see more than four cores on skylake, it would hurt their X99 sales.

 

It won't be out until GP100 is out at LEAST, that's for sure. I'm amazed we got the 780M so "early".

It'd be nice to see the dual 980 in those formats.

 

I'd be thrilled even with a Haswell option but isn't Broadwell E (x99) launching Q1 2016 and then Skylake E in Q3? (later Skylake Purley in 2017 with a crazy amount of cores, up to 28 IIRC)

 

I hope they give us at least one 6 core for this model during the Skylake refresh next year.

Skylake-E is sometime towards the Q4.

 

I'm not sure. I've heard through a fairly reputable grapevine that Cannonlake is likely getting a similar treatment to Broadwell, in favour of new nm processes. Even if it's only half true, I can't expect they'd go balls to the wall with a hexacore mainstream CPU yet. I'm expecting Cannonlake's successor to have it on launch with a new nm process.

P.S. Is the word I'm looking for Lithography? Or is nm process fine to say? I'm sleepy and have a headache so I don't care to think anymore.

 

Lithography is the technical term for the process. However you would say 14nm process for example.

 

Broadwell-E isn't much of an upgrade from Haswell-E. I'd be a bit surprised if they bring Broadwell-E to X99, didn't seem to work out well for Z79. Maybe they'll find a way to get skyake-e to work with X99

Broadwell-E will have the same format as Haswell-E, a 6-core with 28 lanes, 6-core with 40 lanes and 8-core extreme with 40 lanes.

I'd be surprised to see any more cores than eight on skylake-e. If AMD Zen is able to compete even a bit, maybe we'll get lucky with a 12-core extreme edition skylake cpu(X109 or X179?).

Right now Haswell-E has 18-core CPUs but those are only Xeons. The "up to 28 core" thing will also be for Xeons only again.

Xeons are great at rendering (I had a 10 core in my P570WM) but for gaming a quad-core or those 6/8-cores are more than enough, especially since we can overclock them.

That would be a shocker, 6-core on mainstream. They'd definitely want to bump up the HEDT segment to at least 8/10 cores then or it would hurt their sales and people would just go with Z170 with 6-cores.

 

Just to make sure we stay a bit more topic focused. In regards to the Phoenix, this will be a Z170 based machine. And for the foreseeable future this means Skylake based CPUs. Furthermore there are no 6+ core plans for Skylake or 2016 Xeon based Skylake.

If this is accurate, then the P870DM will just be a quad core capable machine as most likely this model will be phased out by EOY 2016/Start 2017.

Is this a valid analysis?

 

Like all other machines, yes. Models do not last very long, and if they do, they get "revisions". MSI's GT70 has been out for so long it's seen Ivy Bridge with Fermi GPUs, Ivy Bridge with Kepler GPUs, Haswell with Kepler GPUs and Haswell with Maxwell GPUs. But each board revision is obviously different.

On the Clevo side, they change the name slightly: P770ZM and P770DM are essentially the same computer, except one has a board change for Skylake. They use the same GPUs. Instead of keeping the same name with a different addition, they change the model name a bit. So for all we know there might be a new P870DM for the Pascal GPUs. Or maybe they'll keep the P870DM somewhat like the P570WM and just update the BIOS for it.

 

Skylake E will be 6+ cores, reportedly arriving Q3 2016. As far as I know, not going to be compatible with Z170, though.

Yep Skylake Purley is a Xeon line with as many as 8 freaking CPU sockets (each CPU up to 28 cores) and support for up to 6TB DDR4 RAM per socket / 48TB DDR4 total RAM in the 8S model!

 

that was to be expected, E performance cpus were never compatible with the Z chipsets / sockets for the "mainstream" model cpus...

 

I can view pictures even without a membership or logged in (incognito mode).

 

Is there any clue to an availability date ?

 

I wonder if laptop with desktop gpu will make nvidia 3d vision with external monitor possible? As far as I know 900 series mobile videocard don't support 3d vision, but desktop ones do

 

We're looking at November for a release date

Doesn't say 3D Vision here:

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/notebook-gpus/geforce-gtx-980/specifications

But it does for desktops:

http://www.geforce.com/hardware/desktop-gpus/geforce-gtx-980/specifications

So there's a chance it might not

 

Awesome thanks, Been waiting about 4 months (no gaming pc ATM) I suppose another month wont kill me...hopefully I wont break down and buy a P7X0DM.

 

Same here! I've been without a laptop for around the same time. Waiting this long is a first for me, but I know it'll be worth it.

I was originally going to buy the P750DM-G but now I'm set on the P870DM-G.

 

3D Vision on external monitors works on all systems with adequate connections including this one. It was always just the internal screen that had to be licensed.

 

XMG (in german forum) said possibly at end of october.

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Btw, they added the 4k no gsync screen in the configurator, its 288€ as upgrade. (they mentioned prices may not be final)

 

Displayport and no optimus running is the ticket

I had 3d vision running on my P570WM 980M sli setup through the displayport.

 

Don't worry, external 3D will work. Internal 3D won't.

 

I just thought of something could a thunderbolt connected egpu 980 connect with the built in 980 for external sli functionality?

 

Still needs a SLI cable, so no.

 

I see thanks perhaps I was being too devious here I was hoping perhaps a connector may be able to be added but I did not see how the actual internal 980 card looked like yet. However since I'm on the subject I think using tb3 sli could be applied with two external 980's then?

 

Not sure how that might work, but theoretically it could be possible.

 

Even with the 980m sli its going to be really powerful. Although no egpu packages have been finalized yet it does seem like Intel has plans of making it happen. I am also aware the bandwidth will be lower than normal pcie operations but tb2 was able to pull about 85% power from diy setups on single cards and tb3 is supposed to be double the bandwidth of tb2.

I cant even wrap my mind around having a full out desktop skylake and sli 980m's but my mind goes numb when I think about having the potential to dock my 870dm desktop i7 laptop with two AMD R9 295x2 cards.

 

Wonder if that would be possible using something like DifferentSLIAuto to SLI the 200W 980 with a TB3 powered 980 lol

 

Reportedly, DX12 supports asymmetrical SLI, even using a combination of AMD and Nvidia cards.

Hopefully we will see some Thunderbolt 3 eGPU enclosures within the next few months.

 

Im really excited folks I cant wait to see more of this one in action plus the new 950 evo ssd on the way geez with all this power comes great responsibility

 

950 evo...?

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The samsung 950 ssd rather..

 

Still need a bridge

Don't expect a whole lot from that, honestly. The tech is there, but it doesn't mean it'll be supported by nVidia (I'm pretty sure AMD would do it). AMD already can support iGPU + dGPU (you know, with their APUs) and Crossfire without a bridge using their XDMA cards, and can support SFR with current memory bandwidth/size requirements (SFR has been done recently with certain games, even using Crossfire bridges which shouldn't carry enough bandwidth etc; just most games need more bandwidth/size).

I think when Pascal and Arctic Islands come out is when we'll see things REALLY take off with Vulkan and DX12. And I'm hoping more people use Vulkan than DX12.

 

Yes, all the less reason to switch to W10

 

Exactly.

 

http://forum.techinferno.com/showthread.php?p=145625

 

Will it glow ?

 

not only that, but it will also provide 50% stable oc on ALL components and automatically mod any bios/vbios/firmware present to unleash all options

 

But will it run Crysis Assasin Creed Unity?

 

Oh, then I take two of them!!! The PremaMod Phoenix Tattoo magically enhances your OC skills. Just close your eyes and let the Phoenix shine....

 

That is awesome! And to even have Clevo agree to it!

Spoiler: Batreaction

 

Logo on boot screen, logo on lid, next it will be logo on palm rests too lol.

 

Logo on heatsink

 

Who's gonna complain about a Premalevo machine?