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I was thinking more or less just to OC the gpu's and leave the CPU at the base 4ghz. So If I can get by with one that would be great. Also If I were to get the adapter and use 2 psu's are there any drawbacks? Is it going to be compatible out of the box like that?

 

No drawbacks other than lugging it around, just plug and play. Adding it later is always an option so nothing to loose really either.

 

I see on GenTech an option for an additional PSU but nothing about the adapter. Is there a specific kind? If you happen to have a link to where I can buy one that would be great!!

 

RJTEC.com sells it too as its the same that goes with the P570WM.
http://www.laptoppartsnow.com/j01150mclac12.html

 

I would check with GenTech to see if it is included with the addtl adapter. Most resellers have that as an option.

 

Thank you very much! I may just get this just in case I decide to play with the CPU down the line. Still haven't fully decided on Clevo vs the MSI but I really, really like the 6700k CPU over the mobile one. Going to be hard to pass that up.

Do you know how temps have been? Looks like they do a great job with the build to avoid thermal throttling and overheating.

 

Do a search for @MrFox posts. He has a review. I'll see if I can dig up a link.

 

It comes with a 330W brick. If overclocking both you'll likely run out of power quite quickly on a single brick with 980M SLI and a 6700K.

Didn't know that 440W from the wall was the limit. Good to know, thank you.

Temps are amazing; especially if you do a little "modding" like delidding your CPU with liquid ultra and using it between the IHS and the heatsink. Or removing the dust filter from underneath the laptop. Or both. Or even lapping the heatsink to a mirror sheen. All should help a bit, and max fans should keep it great for even daily 4.5GHz usage unless you live where I live =D

 

I would appreciate that! I always like to read his findings.

 

Yes temps are the best I have seen in a laptop to be completely honest on the CPU, Mr. Fox has some really great official reviews that I would highly suggest checking out. Its a good read if you haven't already.

The GT80 does an exception job on the GPUs with the "Silent Choice fan" but the 870 isn't far behind hear either. Both are very far behind any worry with GPU to put it to rest.

https://biosmods.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/sky-x9/

 

Got it... https://biosmods.wordpress.com/2015/10/21/sky-x9/

 

I will probably just OC the GPU's but I guess if I have the adapter with 2 330w psu's there really is no reason not to push it further. I will have Gen Tech do the repaste with IC Diamond as part of my order.. as I do not feel comfortable doing it myself ( although I have before on my Alienware).

 

@GTVEVO... jinks!

 

If you want the full espresso I would suggest to purchase from a supporting company if you don't have any ties. If you do thats ok but you will have to wait longer for bios and vbios unlocks. FYI

https://biosmods.wordpress.com/partner/

 

I would advise you to get comfortable with that stuff for these machines. If it's your first Clevo, you'll be in for an extremely nice surprise with the ease of access of the machine.

I still remember my D900F requiring NOTHING but pressing 3 clips to remove the keyboard.

 

I feel like that link just opened up a whole new can of worms vs what I had specced out on Gen Tech :/ Especially because going through a similar build I am already at 5000 dollars. Is there any real good reason not to go with Gen Tech?

EDIT: Scratch that.. long long day for me.. I was under Canadian not USD. Anyways my question about ordering it through one of those vendors vs Gen Tech remains. Aside from Bios stuff is there any reason not to go through them?

 

LOL , No not at all. Gentech is great and they do great things so I wouldn't ever say do not to go with them, I am sure they will make you very happy. We just want you to be aware of the efforts involved and I encourage individuals to support those efforts so improvements can continue and the individuals can be recognized as they deserve.

In the end it is your choice and I don't think anyone is looking down so no worries, I just feel its right to let individuals know the benefits attached.

 

it's up to you. You can OC some of the components using XTU or throttle stop. Otherwise the Prema based BIOS is the way to go. Just be warned that it's been about a month since the P870DM release and the Prema BIOS will only be available thru Prema Partners at this time.

There's also the possibility of voiding any Gen Tech warranty using a unapproved BIOS.

You may want to send those Prema Partners an email seeing if they can do a price match. It wouldn't necessarily hurt. Just my $0.02.

 

So the MYTHLOGIC Phobos 8715S is what I'd be looking at from their website if I went with them for Prema based? Just wanted to make sure in case I go this route.

 

Yes

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Throttlestop has no influence over Skylake, due to removal of FIVR. Only Haswell and Broadwell can be overclocked with it.

Yes, this is always an option.

 

So this will come stock just like the one from Gen Tech aside from a slightly different chassis design? Only this will have the better bios which I can OC the CPU from? Seems I have some more options for storage which is nice. Just making sure I get all this right... I am looking to order sometime this week.

 

I dont know what you guys are talking about fallout 4 having bad SLI. It works fine on my setup.
As I said before, 980M SLI makes more sense if you can afford it.

 

Just sent you a PM

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Yup, and so does Just Cause 3

At release some games don't come with optimized video drivers or SLI profiles, and it takes Nvidia/Developer a release or few to get it all out.

There are few games that don't work with SLI, and all development tools eventually support SLI - even U4 / U5 will support it. This is my belief, not a fact, it's based on observations of what was said during U3 non-sli support times and what eventually happened - it's not guaranteed to happen this time, but I think it will, at least for some games.

Windows 10 DX12 supports multiple GPU's as well, who knows how that will work out.

Even in a game that doesn't support SLI, but does support Physx you, can assign Physx to the 2nd GPU, and offload the 1st GPU for better fps.

The 980m single/SLI in the PM870 hasn't been tuned / OC'd like the 980/6700K by Prema / Mr. Fox - so comparisons aren't valid yet. My GT80 SLI-263 benchmarks higher Total, GPU, and Physx than what has been reported so far, which can't be correct - so waiting for tuning to fix it all up for best performance.

I'm waiting till the best tuning for vbios/BIOS/EC are done for both 980 single and 980m SLI PM870. I know the 980 OC has already been done, but it's early days, and I expect to see more improvement over time.

Even though I saw GenTechPC's posts:

"Confirmed P870DM won't have SLI GTX980."
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...enix-has-arisen.781814/page-172#post-10153982

"Clevo didn't changed their minds, SLI GTX980 as never planned for P870DM."
"As far as I know it's not possible, what I understand is because of the GTX980 PCB."
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...enix-has-arisen.781814/page-174#post-10154177

I really hope there is a 980 SLI PM870 configuration coming down the road too

 

From the pricing I am hearing for single 980, it might be completely not worth it. Especially if it is clocked down to 980m level like I think it is. No way a GM204 can keep the stock clock at 120w. GM204 relies tricks for its power consumption, I doubt that clock switch shenanigans will work when you are running it at a constant pace on games. So either heavy throttling on the GT80 or just a low clock bios.

 

I wasn't talking about the GT80, please don't mix up the threads

This is the PM870 thread, and my quote said PM870, not GT80.

 

I know, just the only laptop that comes with its GT80. So its probably clocked down to fit the single 330w adapter and the cooling requirement of the GT80.

 

You don't know anything of the sort, noone does, it isn't shipping and noone has seen it - specs aren't released.

Please wait until it comes out before probably guessing

The %'s I estimated were based on the PM870 benchmark results posted for single 980 and SLI 980, and based on the improvement we have seen from stock BIOS to Prema BIOS/vbios on the 6700K / 980.

For the GT80S 980 SLI, there are no before/after, or any posted benchmark results - nothing to extrapolate from - it's a complete unknown

 

Mythlogic is a custom builder while the others like Xoticpc, Powernotebooks, GentechPc etc are Sager resellers. A custom builder buys all the components and builds your PC from scratch while a reseller mostly sells you pre-configured laptops that are made by Sager. But since they order large quantities they get discounts and some are passed on to the customers. Special requests and some modifications are probably done in house but mostly the laptop is built by Sager. Resellers price match and give you the best prices while Mythlogic has the best QA testing and will be slightly more expensive.

 

I have been configuring my laptop on Mythlogic's site so far.. but was also looking at Eurocom. Not sure who to order from between the two.

 

Let me send you a PM.

 

Mythlogic was at or below other vendors prices when I quoted out a PM870 980 barebones, and they are also a Prema Partner so they will provide the Prema BIOS/vbios/EC updates when they are available.

They did mention something about not all the BIOS will be unlocked for full warranty support on complete builds... a fine point everyone should verify with their supplier before purchase / paying for it.

Get a clear statement of what it takes to get a completely unlocked Prema BIOS/vbios/EC and full warranty support, and what is provided by default.

In my case I spec'd a pre-binned / delidded CPU from another vendor, memory and SSD as well, to be used in the build, my warranty for the CPU / memory / storage wouldn't be through the builder, so that makes a difference too.

 

They currently are around a 100$ more than the others such as Xoticpc etc. (for my specific config which is quite basic) i.e without the cash discount. With it, the figure is around 180-200$.

 

I hope this bios will come very soon can't wait

 

You could ask for price matching.

The XoticPC / GentechPC / etc aren't Prema Partners - I wouldn't want to get this laptop without Prema's tuned unlocked BIOS/vbios/EC's.

Prema's BIOS/vbios/EC will be the base from which most/all discussions will be made here - sharing those settings to get the best performance will save a lot of time as well.

https://biosmods.wordpress.com/partner/

 

Devs need to work with them, it's not nVidia that magically makes it work with no help.

Unreal Engine 4 and Unity 5 are BY DESIGN not intended for multi-GPU, and will NEVER support AFR SLI at a base level. Their tech does not allow it, just like SMAA does not support temporal AA in multi-GPU. The only way to get them working is to not use the tech that is dependent on multiple GPUs, and there's no way to know whether or not a dev will specifically ignore that tech in a game just for multi-GPU support.

DX12 supporting multiple GPUs doesn't mean anything for us.

They have been OC'd to hell and back in the P570WM type machines; we know the limits. Unless these machines somehow pull a ton more heat from whatever got hot and limited the 980Ms in every single other machine to date (which I doubt) then we already seen everything.

BIOS/EC tuning shouldn't make much diffference here. That's more for the CPU side of things.

 

Mythlogic does not price match as they, unlike the others, are a custom builder. They add more value to the product and hence it is only logical they charge for it. I still did ask them and yeah this was their reply.

 

vbios... BIOS/ vbios/EC tuning.

How about we wait and see what comes out of the Prema/Mr. Fox 980m SLI testing?

 

$100-200, sounds like a fair price to pay for a fully burned in and tested laptop.

It's always good to ask if they can make the price a bit better, giving them requirements and a budget, and their reply is fair too.

Maybe you can find alternative components they offer that have a better price vs what you can get yourself after they build it? Or, buy the storage / memory components on your own?

Then again, it's nice for Mythlogic to test / burn in all those components and find / fix / replace the infant mortality failures before you take delivery...

 

I personally am totally fine with the extra $$ as I would any day chose a laptop that is thoroughly tested and benched over one that is one among thousands made in an assembly line. No matter how big the firm, there will be issues and I dont want my laptop to have issues after a while. A hand assembled and tested laptop is any day preferred. I personally am buying from Mythlogic. Just having them refine my requirements and arranging funds. Once ready I am good to go.

 

@Mr. Fox

Did a test with GPU Performance scaling On vs OFF, all stock clocks and settings, texture mode set to high quality instead of high performance, results are:

GPU Performance Scaling ON=



GPU Performance Scaling OFF=

 

I am looking to get pretty much the same setup as you. 6700k with 980m sli. Anything I should know? How is it overall with gaming? Are you running win 10? Pulling the trigger this week for my purchase and I am coming from an Alienware 17 with 980m.

 

After reading through the full 200 pages multiple times and taking notes.. I have put in my order for the Clevo P870DM-G.

Thanks to all of you for the sharing of knowledge and information.

Specs below. I can't wait! My current laptop is 5 years old and the graphics card just recently suffered complete failure due to a power surge that seems to have killed it.

MYTHLOGIC Phobos 8715S Chassis (Clevo P870DM-G)
Mobile Display: 17.3" Full HD (1920x1080) IPS Matte LCD ( nVIDIA G-Sync Tech 970/980M)
CPU: Intel Core i7-6700K 4.20GHz, 8MB Cache, Quad Core Processor (91W) (Unlocked)
Thermal Compound: Free IC Diamond Thermal Compound
System Memory: 32GB (4 x 8GB) , PC4-19200, 2400MHz DDR4 SODIMM
Video Adapter: nVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 8GB GDDR5 nV GPU Performance Scaling + Desktop Class
m.2 Slots: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB m.2 SATA III 6GB/s Solid State Drive
m.2 Slots: Samsung 850 EVO 500GB m.2 SATA III 6GB/s Solid State Drive
Hard Drive: Crucial MX200 1TB SATA III 6GB/sec 2.5" 7mm Internal Solid State Drive
Hard Drive: Crucial MX200 1TB SATA III 6GB/sec 2.5" 7mm Internal Solid State Drive
Keyboard: Standard Backlit Keyboard - NON Chiclet
Network Card: 2x Killer E2400 LAN + Intel Wireless 8260-AC
Bluetooth: Integrated Bluetooth 4.0
Operating System: Windows 7 Professional

 

Yeah, I know.

But they already tested it, in prior machines. P37xSM-A, P37xSM, AW18, P570WM, GT80. They've all tested with Prema vBIOS. We know what 980M SLI is capable of already. It's not new, unless as I said, the machine somehow has magical heatsinks that can draw away the heat from the stuff that causes shutdowns beyond a certain point... and even then, for long-period running, it's likely to build up heat and shut off after maybe an hour or two under the overclocks. We've hit the limits of the cards already. We know what they are.

VR SLI and AFR SLI are two very very different things. VR SLI can have them render the game the same, one for each eye. They don't need to depend on each other. In fact, since each GPU would be rendering the game on a separate screen, and the scenes need to be slightly different from each other, so rendering the game separately should have no issues... except a huge CPU load, of course.

No, you don't understand. Engines being designed to not support SLI is a very different thing than a game that says it has no support. I forced SLI on Betrayer because it is Unreal Engine 3, and it gave me a small boost in performance. Unreal Engine 3 supports SLI; any game that uses it should support SLI unless the devs ROYALLY screwed up (like with Arkham Knight). Just Cause 3 for example needs patching by the devs, but the ENGINE doesn't lack SLI support. Unless somebody uses an engine (like UE4) that doesn't support SLI and purposefully leaves out all the tech that doesn't work with SLI, it won't support SLI. Let me ask a question: can you find me an ID Tech 5 game using Megatextures that supports SLI? Because Megatextures, its base rendering design, doesn't play nice with AFR SLI, so no games using it exist.

Yes, that's right, but even using PhysX, a fully OC'd 200W 980 will likely smoke a 980M offloading PhysX. This is why I SPECIFICALLY want SLI 980s, and I've never once said I wanted that machine with SLI 980Ms. Even if I have to use the GT80's watered down 120W 980s for SLI.

DX12 won't ever allow SLI where it couldn't work unless the GPUs can use SFR... and no nVidia GPU can do so (in games which need a lot of memory data exchanged in/out quickly). Pascal will be the first time nVidia has a chance to create GPUs that can support SLI for engines that don't use AFR SLI. AMD can already do it with Hawaii and Fiji. I don't know if Tonga supports XDMA tech. In other words, 980M SLI, DX12 or not, will never work EVER for something like Unreal Engine 4. PERIOD. The card was not designed to work with it at a base level, despite nVidia hyping up DX12 over and over.

 

So, what's your point?

If it is, that you are frustrated that Clevo won't be offering an SLI 980, I understand.

I feel the same way, the 980m SLI has already been done, the 980 single isn't fast enough, and now with no SLI 980 to upgrade to, what's the point?

 

Clevo P870DM-G Review

HIDevolution's Warranty!

 

My point is that almost all your prior points are wrong.

We know what 980M SLI does already.

We know SLI support is dwindling, and the single GPU may indeed be better more often than not.

We know many games are coming out on engines that don't support SLI.

We know DX12 isn't changing a single thing for any existing card from team sloppy green today.

We know PhysX delegation isn't much of a benefit considering the huge extra power boost from the 980. It's not like we're considering single 980M vs 980M SLI, in which case the SLI config is neutral or beneficial alone, and thus a good choice.

We know what 980 OC'd does already.

The only thing we're waiting on is mobile 980 in SLI config.

 

I am willing to wait and see what the results are on the new hardware.

If you have already written off the PM870 unless it offers SLI 980, why are you even posting here?

 

I already listed the possibilities. Older heatsinks weren't the problem; the P7xxZM models proved this.

You can wait and see, but as I said, unless something short of magic shows up, we already know what it does.

I haven't written off anything. If worse comes to worst, two 120W 980s stolen from a GT80 Titan should work. Hell, might even work in mine. I'm posting here because I have knowledge to offer. To take your knowledge back at you, why are you posting in any thread on the forum unless you want to buy the laptop it's talking about?