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That's because it's not fully functional. The temp & power target stuff both have to work as well....
in that example, it still only shows 1126. With that voltage you should be in the 1500+ range min.
I'm pretty sure that card works it's just that i don't have one to sit and test for a few hours.

 

I will actually be putting each OS against each other and post results on this soon when I get my P870DM. I will do the usual 3dmark11/fs but also some other ones.

CPU > 7
GPU > 8/10

^Generally what we see, but I want exact numbers.

 

Huh? That was stock clocks just to show the voltage...

But here, all works as it should. Just hit apply at some random high clocks and it sticks.
I only make the Mods and leave the benching to the Pros :

Spoiler

 

No not really, significant changes would require re-certification and a different model number.

 

Good Deal!
So it should be able to hold a steady 1530/1453 through any bench or game. Nice!

 

Worth a good test at least

 

Would like to see if it holds a game or bench under windows 10 also. Since I don't have windows 10 installed at the moment.

I have to load up a game or two to test as well. i notice that when you raise the voltage you also lower the stock gpu performance, but gain on the back end with higher overclocks.

Edit: Justed tested 1.4V and stock is no longer stable for me.

 

Bu this is the problem. We need CLEVO owners with 780M SLI to chime in. So far, the only active 780M SLI clevo owners I know on this forum (and I mean "active" loosely) are n=1 and Mr. Fox, and Mr. Fox only falls into that category when he puts his 780M SLI into his P570WM (which we already know to have no issues) and even that to my knowledge is not often. I want to distinguish between a "some users' 780M SLI configs issue" and an "Alienware 780M SLI owner issue".

 

I installed W10 TH2 the other day and it's the worst performing Windows OS I have ever used. Even worse than the original W10 release. Nothing works as well as Windows 7. Every OS they have released since then does progressively worse in physics performance. It's a real shame. Graphics performance is a small fraction better, but the massive loss of physics performance hurts the overall score in 3DMark 11... anywhere from 1,000 to 1,500 points less in Physics test.

 

Nothing is as bad as the horrid gtx 880m. Absolutely the single worst gpu I have ever used. I remember beating my head against the wall asking Fox and others for help when I gave up... Tore into dell until they warrantied out my laptop for the newer 980m. I have only bought one Alienware... And went from a 780m through a 880m to the 980m all by way of warranty. 780m laptop my keyboard failed twice. 880m had gpu replaced 3 times... 980m has horrible cpu throttling. The only thing I don't blame dell on is the 880m. Shame on Nvidia for that trash of a card.

Ok end rant.

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I know of the 880M fiasco very well, yes. But this specific issue is with 780M SLI not being able to hold stock (or overclocked) on drivers beyond ~345.20, except that I (with my P370SM3) and P570WM owners don't have the issue, though some Clevo owners on Mr. Fox's youtube I've seen claiming to have the issues. I want to be absolutely certain of whether or not it actually does affect Clevo owners.

 

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/10691115

 

Did you get the power figured out?

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Hi guys, I've been reading this forum for a couple of years off and on now, but I've never actually made an account until tonight. I hope to contribute to this community in any way I can! Now, down to what this post is about. I've just bought the P870DM-G and it's been an amazing laptop, but I've run into a couple of issues and was wondering if anyone might have some insight or similar experiences. For some reason sometimes whenever my laptop sleeps and I wake it up, the Control Center app will crash immediately each time I try to open it. Sometimes it does it whenever It's been shutdown and I turn it on too... so far the only remedy I have found is to restart the laptop. Has anyone else ran into this problem? I'm running Windows 10 Home by the way.

 

No, not yet. Prema has done quite a few mods, but the CPU still loses clock speeds in extreme GPU load situations. Tests 1 and 2 it drops to 2.8GHz. Test 3 holds 4.7GHz, test 4 throttles it a little bit, combined test it does not throttle at all.

I also have an odd thing with the physics test I have never seen before. When it first starts the test stutters, almost like it is going to freeze, then takes off like a rocket. I am also seeing random momentary pauses, like only for a split second, kind of like a random jerk movement, in all of the other 3DMark 11 tests for some reason.

Try using a different version and that might help. Even try a Windows 7 version for Windows 10.

 

Thanks for the update, I have noticed the pause or jerk in the physics test also FYI.

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This power issue is only on the sli version? I know that's what you have, Fox. Wondering if it's ever apparent on other configurations.

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No, it was great with single GTX 980... outstanding in every way. The CPU throttling and stuff started when I replaced that with 980M SLI.

 

I'm sorry it's been such a hassle but if anyone can get it working properly it's you! Thanks for confirmation I'm so over excited for my build to arrive!

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Thanks for the kind words. Prema is doing the fixing and I am doing the testing. It's just a matter of figuring out what is causing it, then fixing that. It's not 100% clear what needs to be fixed. It might even be NVIDIA driver induced. The average user isn't even going to see it because the CPU only throttles with the 980M SLI overclocked, and then only in a high stress situation. It doesn't do it at all playing games.

 

I will, thanks!

 

Mine will throttle even at stock clocks see image below resulted in 3.68 ghz at one point. Highlighted is the current limit throttle and the test was on stock cpu and gpu clocks.

 

That's because you are using stock BIOS/EC/ME & vBIOS...

 

Vbios is not stock but all else is so understandable

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So you guys have tried dual psu? With no help to the issue? Why would that be??? That part boggles my mind.

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What I don't get is how dual psu will allow me to OC to my hearts content (based on what I'm told) with a single 980 and 6700k.. But doesn't help you guys? Please shed some light....

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Yes tried that with matrix and Mr Fox runs them too. Prema just has to continue to develop and test, its in there somewhere.

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Dual PSUs lets you go beyond the draw of a single 330W brick.

 

mine has always done that. along with running like it's locked at 30 fps

 

Here is my score using driver 354.35, reported CPU speed is 3992 MHz.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/9812559?



all I wanted when I bought this laptop was a laptop that runs at 4GHz stable, not 3992 MHz or below and this can't even do that. Not happy at all.

PS: This is with the updated EC firmware

 

Most CPU's BLCK are a bit off, and give a not quite exact frequency - like just under 4.0, 4.1, 4.2 for me.

When I am feeling OCD I nudge up the BCLK a tick or two to get exactly 4.0, 4.1, 4.2.

 

That's due to spread spectrum, the base clock is altered by 0.5Mhz down and back up again, this slight clock swing spreads the EM output of the machine over a wider band of frequencies. The overall EM noise of the machine is the same but the peak EM at any one frequency is reduced allowing the machine to more easily pass EM output tests. All motherboards do this pretty much.

 

You guys really love your Phoenix laptops - I've never seen a more enthusiastic, hardcore bunch of people who care how powerful their hardware is.

Wish small laptops got some love... :/

 

This is with every high end laptop coming from clevo or "cough"...er......ah....alienware

 

No, what I mean is that the Phoenix, Batman and Wingman have gotten particularly special attention from the NBR (power user) gang, for obvious reasons. I mean, this laptop has been out for about two months or so, and this thread is already about 65% as long as the W230SS thread (and that laptop is one and a half years old) and also contains some real technical detail as well. It's growing at a rate of three to four pages per day, too.

 

I know exactly what you mean. And this has been the way of the top of the line laptops since the D901C days and will continue on in to the future....

 

well, on the other hand, interest in the highend machines also drops off sharply once a new model comes out live fast, die young

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hummmm, still waiting on them over clocked 980 results before i give in. lol

 

on the other hand u have the P6 series laptops that seem to be quite the sweet spot for "mainstream highend" mobile enthusiasts lets wait and see how the p640 lounge fares once the machine is actually available and in user hands

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Very true, but two words (or should I say six words in two abbreviations) - 'BGA GPUs'. I don't care much about the CPU, but I am an overclocker and I have had to replace three motherboards (and paid for two of them - about US$470) because of failed or malfunctioning GPUs.

I have been personally affected by the fixed nature of BGA in my and I envy you P150/P370/P750/P870 users because of MXM. I could've spent that money on a GTX 970M MXM.

 

blame Dell for killing Alienware, that's why you have more power users in this sub-forum than any other with so much passion for performance.

Alienware - High Throttle systems

 

A number of us ex-Alienware fans have been railing on BGA feces since Alienware released their first BGA turdbooks and your problem is one, perhaps the greatest, vehement argument against such a flawed concept. Whether you are an overclocker or not, BGA is, by design and definition, disposable consumer-grade electronics garbage. When something needs to be fixed, you basically toss everything except the RAM, drives and chassis into a dumpster, then hope and pray that the replacement motherboard/CPU/GPU turd combo performs at least as well as the part that failed. It's an extremely retarded design for anyone that even remotely considers their self to be an enthusiast and I really pity the folks that don't care if their notebook is BGA and cannot connect the dots. It's terribly sad that some people think it is OK, and even more sad that everyone (BGA owner or not) is ultimately affected by such low quality and pathetic engineering standards. It seems that as of lately the bar is always lowered to accommodate the lowest common denominator (BGA, low TDP processors, absurd battery life expectations and thermally crippled platforms) and everyone suffers for it. I'm getting sick of having my stuff emasculated by the bottom feeders that care more about having something that is cute rather than something that runs well.

Your P570WM drops to below non-turbo clock speeds in 3DMark 11 Test 1 and 2 with SLI enabled? If that's the case, I will have to check mine because I don't remember that. If it does, then we're wasting time trying to fix it.

Edit: well, cannot test it on my P570WM since one 980M is dead. Darn it. I don't think it does with ThrottleStop running, but I haven't benched it in a long time. It's not very much fun to use with a single 980M... way too boring.

Maybe a fully Skylake-ready ThrottleStop would fix the P870DM CPU Current Limit Throttling, but the current version doesn't allow for very much control over the 6700K... almost nothing is adjustable. I think @unclewebb might be working on an update.

 

Ladies and Gentlemen, boys and girls, @Matrix Leader @GTVEVO and so on, and so forth, I believe Brother @Prema has discovered the problem and fixed the SLI Current Limit Throttling. I present you with a screen shot of what is hopefully the last of more than 100 UEFI firmware mods to make this bad boy run. Prema is going to fine tune it, then I will have to do some part swapping to test and be sure it doesn't screw up the GTX 980 performance. But, this is a happy moment right now. Let's cross our fingers and hope nothing upsets the apple cart.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/10694199

 

Absolutely FANTABULOUS! Wow.. But I never doubted him for a moment. There's something wrong with Prema, he's too good. Congratulations guys. Thank you, you too Mr Fox, love reading your posts. KEEP US POSTED ASAP!

And why the hell didn't you guys warn me?? The sound production on this pheonix is phenomenal, I thought I would never ever hear a laptop like this! Wow

 

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/6869931 Guys i wonder why my core i5 not run maximum

 

Wow that was fast much faster than I ever expected. Thank you and Great job to the both of you!

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No. It does not drop turbo, but it does that quick stutter/pause and then seems to not want to go above 30 fps until the last part of the test. Talking only about the combined test.

 

Amazing isn't it. I with you, was expecting another few weeks. It looks rock stable. Really hoping Prema explains to us what he did as technically as he can to we lesser humans. Got goose bumps

 

Also looks like the 980M might still be in the game until 980's get fully unlocked and stable.
Single card testing for those who can't run sli testing in full swing yet....