*** Official Clevo P870DM/Sager NP9870-G Owner's Lounge - Phoenix has arisen! ***

No happy moments until it is released to us. Nothing excites me anymore other than having the actual Prema BIOS, until then its just teasers for things that are far from our reach and makes this a crippled laptop in terms of performance. Sorry to sound a bit harsh but I am not happy at all with my 6000 USD laptop.

 

This has been the process for many years now. Nothing has actually came out the box working as the buyer intended. (Well that is not totally true) Its only when you notice your laptop performing as someone who has unlocked it is suppose to. That is when reality sinks in that you did not get what you thought you were paying for..... And then the waiting game starts....

 

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/10694897

 

So, things are still looking good huh. Cracked?

 

70% of an overclocked phoenix 980M sli performance in 3dm11, i think i can live with that

 

Yes, it's looking pretty darned good right now. I am running a "firmware cocktail" (LOL) that will need to be sorted after @Prema gets some sleep. These all-nighters have been tough for both of us. Once he puts it all together in a pretty package I will re-test to confirm it's still working as intended, then switch back to a single GTX 980 to make sure we didn't lose any ground with that GPU. I will reboot into Windoze OS X and run a Fire Strike here in a bit.

Yeah, I think so, too. I never doubted Prema's hex editing talent, but I was starting to wonder if the hardware was borked. I'm really glad it's not, 'cause I sold two of my gorgeous 18" Alienware beasts to bankroll one of these bad boys and it would have been a real stinker to have sold them and not had something better to replace them. I really love that single GTX 980 desktop GPU, but I think I would soon miss the SLI performance. I've not been satisfied with single GPU performance for many years and I'm not sure I'd be able to cope with it now.

 

how far are you along with the phoenix purchase, btw? also make sure to post your config here for us to behold the new fox machine u might call it fox-nix?

 

Someone needs to give Mr.fox his dual 980 desktop option sooner than later.

For a moment there,i didn't read "Windoze" only read OSX

i was like what? wait a minute oh noooo

 

I am waiting for the money to come through on the sale, so haven't ordered yet. The buyer is from Europe and it takes a while for the conversion through PayPal, so it may be another week or so until I have cash in hand. The Aliens haven't left the mothership yet, and won't start their new life's journey until I've got the cold, hard cash. I intend to go with 980M SLI and no NVMe drives. Will be running everything in Legacy/MBR mode as usual. It's so much better than pure UEFI mode it's not even funny. I preferred Legacy/CSM before all of this testing and now I've never been more convinced of it. Having to enter the BIOS, turn off UEFI, flash, go back in, turn on UEFI... what a stinking pain in the butt... and for NO BENEFIT whatsoever.

I will also be shopping for the best deal possible, because I still need another 980M for the Panther and I want to pay cash for everything. That machine is too much of a beast to turn loose of it, even if it's not nearly as nice and as polished as this new monster. If I cannot do it, I may end up going with a single GTX 980 so I can still buy a replacement 980M for the Panther. I hate using it with one GPU... it just seems so wrong, LOL.

That's a nice thought, but I have learned so much in this exercise that the experience alone is priceless. The SMD soldering experience I gained was awesome, and I fully intend to use it. Even though it will never be all it should be due to power-handling limitations, I am determined to unlock the Alienware 18 BIOS as my stand against the new Dell BGA initiative that has completely ruined the Alienware brand. If I can do that it will be my parting gift to all Alienware 18 owners that want what Alienware has refused to give them... and, they deserve it. It's a terrible shame such a truly magnificent piece of hardware like the Alienware 18 is so horribly crippled by artificially engineered performance-killing limitations.

"oh noooo" is a good way to describe the pathetic piece of feces Micro$loth has vomited all over us with Windows 10. It is one horrible piece of crap operating system. Other than being better at Fire Strike than Windows 7, I struggle to find anything about it that view as adding value.

 

I'm sitting here applauding with a tear in my eye! Bravo and good luck with the purchase, notice my sig has changed, this machine is beautiful, clevo finally sexing up their laptops, I LOVE the sound! Still typing this on my x7200 though lol

You're a blessed individual, testing Prema's bioses is an honor indeed, I wish I could have helped this time again, but only knew of this things existence 2 weeks age or so!! Those screen shots.... Mr Fox, thank you God damn it

 

Thank you...

Yeah, the audio on this thing... outstanding! It's really a shame the audio is so horrible on the Panther. It impairs the experience of gaming with it, but it's hard to argue with overclocked hexacore CPU excellence when it comes to benching. I knew it was bad because Alienware's audio is pretty darned good, but this new machine has them all beat in the audio department.

 

I've yet to disagree with anything this man has said lol. Yep, miss my panther too, that 3930k in it, that's a real cpu, the 680m SLI was very capable too (but I say i7 920 is still the best cpu of all time) I look forward to 6 cores in the next clevo. But yeah the 3930k was a devil when it came to video editing, burning my blurays etc.

Do you thing skylake E will drop into this pheonix mobo? Let me dream

Mr Fox...go rest man, I can picture you and Prema, red eyes, tired, but happy. Looks like it'll take time before it reaches us, but it'll be worth the wait!

Oh and the audio on the panther? I dont want to talk about that crap, worst sound ever, almost rma'd it cause I thought it was broken. how can its predecessor the x7200 sound so much better?!

 

I will install my desktop driver mod and see if it is a little better, but that’s a nice score.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/9822634

 

Thats so nice, Whats the desktop driver mod you speak of?

What are max temps of cpu and gpu? Cpu is on CLU correct? Gpu on IC?

 

u can see the temps on the benchmark graphs: looks like low 60s on gpu and high 70s / low 80s on cpu to me, thats insane

 

I hate to be one of those short sighted people but Intel? skylake E ? same chipset,same slot same mobo in one sentence? i'd be threatened that the following day the world as we know it would end

 

Lol I know. They need to make their money. I can dream, futile dream though.

Ah thanks. Playing games at those insane clocks will be great, good temps. But that looks like 90c+ I'm seeing in the cpu and combined test. Am I seeing right?! Understandable at those clocks though. I'll be happy with 4.6ghz which will drop temps 5c I'm sure. I can live with that

 

Eurocom is running a 10% sale if the price is right get yours

Edit December 19-20 seems it ends TODAY!!

 

If I can achieve this with one adapter an the stock bios I can't wait to get the new and for my AC-100 box to arrive.
16234 at only 4.2ghz = http://www.3dmark.com/fs/6767282

 

1.253V to 1.274. Somewhere in there.

 

What?! This is possible with one psu!? Impressive

 

Instead of using the NVCVI.INF, I change the hardware ID to a bogus value and then add the hardware ID to the NV_DISPI.INF file, then it skips adding all of the unnecessary registry crap for mobile GPUs. I find it generally produces just a shade better results and it eliminates the need for the excellent SLI-on-the-Fly mod that Brother @johnksss taught me because desktop GPUs don't use the RmDynamicSLI registry keys. With Windows 8 or newer you have to boot with Driver Signature Enforcement disabled prior to installation or Micro$loth will try to protect you from the boogie man and cause the modded driver installation to fail.

And, yes... true to form... slightly better score with the desktop mod.

http://www.3dmark.com/fs/6873016

 

Got my Phobos 8715S by Mythlogic.
Providing You with the bios "Advanced" menu photos. Can sm1 explain me, what's this? Is it @Prema's RC0, or smth similiar? Or is it Mythlogic guys' own work?
No CPU and cache multipliers, no C-States switchers.

 

Thats very interesting.

 

@ inzer890 its their "Mythlogic-base" version which has extra features over "Clevo Stock"...the Prema Mod comes a bit later...

 

Wow on the msi SLI GT80s titan page 15 there's a benchmark with the 980's. These OC'd 980m's are practically the same! I'm so jealous right now lol

Who do I have to kill to get this bios!? I can't play with her right now, work in 5 hours

 

Waiting on PremaMod BIOS before I start benching. No point doing stock when I can already guess my score from the throttles I'm seeing.

Also, applied CLU on Die-to-IHS (both ends, thin layer on IHS), then IHS-to-Heatsink (thin layer on heatsink). Temps dropped by further 7C.

Small FFT Test 20 minutes: 86C peak temperature. (took 3 minutes for fans to kick in, which made me laugh for a while at how good the passive cooling in this system is)

Blend Test 20 minutes: 74C peak temperature.

Stock clocks at 4.0 GHz, no voltage modifications at all. High Performance power setting.

 

Can I install that BIOS on my Clevo or will it brick it

 

I can assure You, there's nothing worth attention. I finally turned off "overclocking feature" after couple of dozens of dead starts. It doesn't contain any of really needful tuning options. All the necessary tuning You may achieve via XTU. I've put x42 CPU multiplier for all cores, -140mv with undervoltage, also added 100 MHz to GPU and 150MHz to video ram. Quite moderate oc level, but total performance is above than sufficient as for me. The main advantage I see now is totally stable freqs while gaming, when "performance@ preset is activated in the Clevo control center.
The machine behaves great.
PS 6700K, 2x8 DDR4 Kingston impact 2400@[email protected], GTX980dt, 2x250 Evo 850 Raid0, intel wireless 8260ac, single PSU.

 

What I liked about it is you could have all those extra settings in the BIOS.

Wish it would work on my system as I hate my crippled P870DM-G so much. Wish I could sell it

 

The msi is the same way.

 

you can be more specific by way of example or screenshot?
so we can try this mod

 

Did you try clicking on the big "here" link in his signature?

 

@ johnksss

No, because on Tapatalk i don´t see signatures
But i will look after work if i back home.

 

Easy fix now that you know. Open in desktop view
plenty of hours and hours and hours of reading. lol

 

@Matrix Leader You just have to be a little more patient. Remember there is not another option if you want a new high end performance laptop per today. Everything else is useless in comparison.

 

If you really feel that way, then return it before this goes on much longer - past your return period.

You can always buy it again after the problems have been worked out and the EC / BIOS / vbios updates are available for your seller/model.

That's one of the problems with getting new models right at launch, you have to assume going in that it's not going to be pretty initially, and it will take time to work out issues with fixes that everyone can access.

That's why I am on the fence until the first models are through this process.

Sometimes problems don't get fixed, which is something to also consider before the return period runs out...

The last laptop I purchased at launch sight unseen was a Haswell laptop - huge discounts at that Intel Haswell Launch Presentation.

I had to return it because the BIOS didn't enable Virtual options, I couldn't run VM's, and I couldn't wait for a fix. I went through 4 Haswell laptops before I found one I stayed with for a long time.

That first laptop had a replaceable MQ processor, the later ones were HQ's, function overrode form in this case.

Don't feel bad returning it, you need to cover your needs before those of the many

 

Hey

Is Prema Bios Available yet for clevo 870dm ?

Many ppl around keep talking about it since 2 months

Is it worth all this (Prema Bios)

 

At this time it is in final testing, there was one last issue that was resolved this weekend so its being put through the paces to ensure its safe before releasing out to the sponsored retailers and owners. I am sure @Prema or @Mr. Fox and elaborate additional information if needed.

 

His bios is kind of in BETA. Wait for Prema's announcement.

 

Be patient, bro. Listen to what Brother @johnksss is telling you. He is 100% correct. Good things come to those that wait. The @Prema sBIOS and vBIOS will turn your sweet machine into a wicked monster, just like this one. To expect a stock machine to run extremely well is unrealistic. Even in their prime this was never the case for Alienware's finest. It's also not the case for the mighty P570WM. The M18xR2 and P570WM run like crap with stock firmware. Stock sBIOS and vBIOS firmware on notebooks is ALWAYS garbage.

Here's a new high score with the same CPU/GPU OC. Time permitting, I will do some AC cooled overclocking with higher GPU overclocks this evening.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/10697787
^^^ Better than 99% of all results and the GPUs are nowhere near what their max OC is right now.
This is just child's play to test firmware.

No screen shot necessary. It's too easy and that would be too confusing. Do this:

1. Open the Display.Driver folder
2. Find the nvcvi.inf (this is for Clevo) and open it in Notepad so you can change the hardware ID to XXXX (or any bogus value)
3. For GTX 980 change all 13DA to XXXX using the Replace All feature in Notepad, for 980M do that for 1617... save the file
4. Now, find the nv_dispi.inf, open it in Notepad. Use the Find feature to locate the first line with 13C0 (980 desktop hardware ID)
5. Highlight that line, copy/paste it in a blank line underneath the line you copied
6. Change 13C0 to 13DA (980) or 1617 (980M) depending on which configuration you have
   - change it in both places on the same line (example: %NVIDIA_DEV.1617% = Section044, PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_1617)
7. Repeat this process for every line with 13C0
8. The last line with 13C0 is under strings... copy and paste that one, change the hardware ID as described above.
   If you have 980M, simply add the letter "M" after 980. If you have GTX 980, just change the hardware ID

What you are doing is making the nvcvi.inf file not work for your notebook GPU and adding your notebook GPU hardware ID to the desktop nv_dispi.inf file. This will work for any GPU, just check your hardware ID in Device Manager to be sure you change the correct information. Those that have older 980M cards, the hardware ID is 13D7, not 1617. I believe the 1617 hardware ID is for the 980M G-SYNC video cards, but it may just be a newer hardware ID. Remember, if you have Windows 8 or newer, you MUST boot with Driver Signature Enforcement disabled or the driver installation will fail. Also, you'll want to run DDU first to remove all of the old registry entries that this mod is intended to eliminate.

 

This machine is deserving of one of the famous Hitler's Rant YouTube videos.
It'll be The aliens reaction to this bench score

 

Took your advise and the driver fails to install for me, the INF states the hash file is not present so I have to be missing something here.

 

windows 10 or windows 8?

 

Windows 8.1

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So I'm wanting to put in 32GB of ram
I'm considering between putting in 4 sticks of 8GB of Kingston Ram Option 1

VS
2 Sticks of 16 GB of ram of G.Skill
what do you guys recommend? And also is there a problem with going with a 2400 G.Skill? I thought I read it was unstable.

I was thinking of going with 2 16GB sticks because I think it would use less power having only 2 banks filled vs 4.

Option 1: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...e=Ripjaws_DDR4_SO-DIMM-_-20-232-149-_-Product

I'm trying to decide between option 1 and option 2, which is better?

Option 2: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B014R8JRRW?psc=1&redirect=true&ref_=oh_aui_detailpage_o05_s00

 

your inf looks to be correct also.

 

So i need only the 1617 or need i my SUBSYS to?
PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_ 1617&SUBSYS_77011558

 

Any thoughts in why it won't work? I have the driver signing turned off so I am stumped.

 

You specifically rebooted to turn it off, right?

I don't meant to pick at you, but it's not possible to turn it off without hacking the OS. You can use as much registry commands as you want, but you MUST specifically select to reboot with driver signature off to fully turn it off. And each new reboot afterward will put it back on, unless you do the process before each reboot.