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What is the normal Temperatur during games and how loud is the Fans? i have a Alienware 18 and i want buy a 870DM.

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This laptop stomps around the Alienware 18 and draws circles around it.

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Clevo P870DM-G Review

 

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Praying for my P870DM to be ok. Still waiting an answer from eurocom. I am not a patient man.

@Mr. Fox Did you know about the unlocked multi 8 core xeon x79 processor and if so, does it work on a panther? That should be interesting. Apparently it can match a 5960x. I believe it is the e5- 16xx series. E5-1680 being the unlocked 8 core version. There is some post on OCN about OCing it. If that works, hell, that should wreck most enthusiasts desktop.

Also I saw the 4k display for P870DM for sale at something like 250-350 CAD on ebay. That seems too low....

 

Nope, never had any Xeon CPU before. @ssj92 used to have one in this Panther before I bought it from him, but I don't think it was an unlocked one.

 

Well, thats a shame. Luck with working on stuff with the hot air gun. I just used one this weekend and I thought it was much easier then using a solder on smaller stuff. Just its hard to hold on to smaller components in place. It might be due to my horribly impatient personality LOL.

 

That's pretty interesting, I wonder if the base clock hack would work on current xeons.

 

I think they both the same, when gaming. I actualy feel the 870DM is pretty silent to be such a gamer machine!

 

Samsung 950 Pro NVMe Driver v1.1

 

The 180W version GTX 980 is now available in some shops including the P775DM heatsink. I am thinking about buying two of them. To put them into the Phoenix I think it will be necessary to disconnect the heatpipes from the 980m heatsink and connect them to the new 980 180W version heatsink (which also needs to have the heatpipes disconnected.

Does anybody know how the heatpipes are connected to the heatsink? I guess they are soldered to the heatsink. Is there an easy way/trick of desoldering? Mr. Fox, any tips? I fear the pipes could be easily damaged...

I am looking desperately for a way to get 980 SLI in the Phoenix. I hate my 980ms, they have poor ASIC and I don´t want to mess around with them any more.

No news from CES so far regarding 980 SLI from Clevo

 

You could probably use a hot air station or an ordinary heat gun.

 

http://www.eurocom.com/ec/release(319)ec

"Eurocom is proud to announce that we will be attending the 2016 Consumer Electronics show to show the world the most powerful laptops and mobile servers. Eurocom prides itself on offering customers the most powerful and capable laptops and mobile servers in the world that are fully upgradeable and configurable.

Laptops with Intel Xeon processors will be there. Laptops with NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 desktop graphis will be there. Laptops with up to 64 GB DDR4 of memory will be there. Mobile Servers will be there. Laptops with NVIDIA GeForce GTX 980 SLI will be there. Come and see what the future of computing holds for you! "

I would wait a few days before buying anything.

 

First, the heatsink on the P775DM is unified, meaning CPU and gpu is combined together. This is not what you want. The 180W card may be compatible with the current 980m heatsink for this device. You should verify that first. If you must move forward, it often is a low temp silver solder (around 150-170C). If you aren't careful, you will damage the heat pipes, but if you are removing them, you would need ones shaped for your specific device. You want a fast heat source, not a slow, gradual heat source, to flash to the temp to melt the connecting material and prevent over heating those pipes which have a safety open.

 

I will wait. However, I have a gut feeling they might just have forgotten the "m" behind 980...

Regarding the P775DM1 heatsink combo (GPU and CPU) I planned ONLY to use the copper plate making contact with the card and using the P870DM heatpipes and heatsink. Thus one would need to desolder the pipes. I would not use the P775DM1 combo heatsink of course, sorry for using the term "heatsink", I meant the plate making direct contact with the card (GPU, GDDR, VRMs).

I compared both cards (980m and 980) and they have a quite different layout. The copper plate mounted on the 980m visually is imho too different from the 980 version. From visual inspection I would say they are incompatible.

I will wait till the end of CES and then maybe make an unreasonable decision

 

This is where you don't want to jump the gun. If there is no metal blocking the heatsink from sitting properly on the 980, then they likely intended switching to different thermal pads to close the gap. Don't jump the gun. Get pictures of the P775dm heatsink with the plate facing up. Compare that to your heatsink first! I don't know which version of the 980 will be in the sli setup at the convention. But give it a little time....

 

Well when I said it had more in it I wasn't joking and here is to prove it. I must stress again this would not be possible without the help of @Prema and his bios/vbios skills, @Mr. Fox for saving us all the trouble of testing, testing, testing becuase its rock solid stable along with @johnksss, Eurocom and @ unclewebb. Take note this is the first and only quad core cpu / 980m sli machine in the 18k range at this time and this achievement would not be possible without those individuals above.

Old was 17676 throw that away because the Eurocom SKY X9 is capable of 18k+ scores, my new score = 18248.

Link = http://www.3dmark.com/fs/7083955
Old vs New compare link = http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/7058318/fs/7083955

 

What´s the frequency and voltage of your gpus?

 

+340/+400 1200mv and to be honest it was still stable it just seemed to be out of power. At +350 it would try but then couldn't hold so the score was less with no crashing.

 

That´s insane man...

I guess high asic cards? No need for desktop 980 in your case

 

Not really that high honestly but I could be wrong, 73.4 / 74.9 you agree?

Oh don't get me wrong, lol when you posted your idea my mind started running and thinking for sure. The other side says I think pascal will be out soon maybe 6 to 9 months we will see it in mobile? I am not sure but its the good Angel and bad Angel on my shoulders shouting.

 

All this reading is getting me so excited! I really hope my Mythlogic build can perform like this. Seems it will based on all research I have done


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Hey guys I've ordered this model and it will be arriving soon, I just want to know if there is anything that is there anything I need to do with this laptop? Any precautions? I also heard a lot about this Prema mod and custom bios for overclocking? If anybody can answer these questions it will be really helpful to me. Thanks.

 

Read the thread! All the testing and time the members put in here is worth reading, including the fact that only Prema partners get that bios until it becomes public, which could be months from now (maybe even this summer)! READ!!!

 

I am trying! Reading 200 pages is hard work!
There has to be something that is absolutely needed software for overclocking for this computer, also is there software for changing the backlit keyboard LED colour?

 

Eurocom is a prema partner shop, in order to receive the bios and vbios you need to be sure Eurocom is aware you wish for this feature if you have not specified already. There is extra cost to extend the warranty.

Something to keep on hand that @Phoenix put together
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-p870dm-dm-g-drivers-mirror.786094/

 

If the multiplier is unlocked on the 16XX v2 then you should be able to overclock and it will work on the Panther 5.

Yes I had the 2680 v2 10-core CPU but it was fully locked. SO locked that my DDR3 2133 ram was forced to run at 1866Mhz.

If you mean Skylake Xeons, I think I remember seeing somewhere that they no longer work on the Z170 series chipsets and need the C series chipset now. If they can be BCLK overclocked on the C series that would be interesting but I don't think we'll see more than 4-cores.

Wait a few more days

 

Indeed, you would wanna upgrade to the latest driver when you get it, and let me tell you this, downloading them from CLEVO directly is like Mission Impossible! Those links will save you hours of painful waiting to download the drivers.

 

Has anyone figured out how to get the lights on the panel to be solid instead of breathing all the time? Any other tricks with the lighting?

 

hm, might wanna update to the latest control center version to have control over the panel lights?

 

Great job... score is awesome!!!!

Nope. I think it's made that way with no other option. I just turn off the LEDs on the lid cause I hate LED animation. Always hated it on Alienware, too. I wish it could be static.

While Fire Strike doesn't give any credit for the better CPU, your latest score is almost as good as my best on the Panther (again, ignoring the physics result, since it didn't get counted for much).

http://www.3dmark.com/compare/fs/5075905/fs/7083955

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Nah man. Dont doubt yourself. You are enjoying the hardwares now .

So how does firestrike weigh the scores? Some type of basic ratios or more complicated.



Not sure if this belongs here, but just wondering what would be a fair price of selling my x9 after I get it back from RMA? Its the 980M SLI model and I only got a 256gb SSD in there.

Can I at least get around 2600-2700 USD?

 

If anyone is going to be getting the 4K AUO display I recommend getting Windows 10. I just tried Windows 7 and 8 and I can safely say Windows 10 is the best at display scaling now. Some text and elements on 7 were extremely big when display scaling was set to 150 or 200%.

You can still use Windows 7 if it doesn't bother you, but it wasn't for me, at least not as a DD. I'll keep 7 for 3DM11.

 

Not sure it would be worth it if I couldn't enjoy Windows 7 every day without the display scaling being screwed up. I hate Windows 10 so much, LOL.

What if you set it to another resolution, like 2560x1440? Is everything still screwed up in Windows 7 set to 100% scaling?

 

That's strange he says that because in my experience, Windows 10 DPI scaling is broken.

test to see for yourself, do a 125% DPI scaling, everything looks nice and sharp, now, open up services.msc or computer management and notice how it is all blurry as if you were running a non-native resolution.

The only way to fix this inconsistency is to use the Windows 10 DPI Scaling Fix

You see, this was a problem with Windows 8 as well, but, in Windows 8, there was a setting under the scaling to allow the scaling to be performed the same across all displays which fixes that inconsistency, but with Windows 10, Micro$h4ft wanted to make it better right? so they removed the entire option and left people with this garbage inconsistent scaling across all Windows/apps

 

Try changing the hz when doing that to see if it gets cleaner looking

 

the refresh rate has nothing to do with the DPI scaling, Windows 10 has one big mess of a broken DPI Scaling issue.

 

So what happens when you tried it?

 

same blurry fonts in services.msc, computer management, and a few other windows

but the desktop/explorer is perfectly fine. that is exactly how DPI scaling behaves in Windows 8 unless you turn on the checkbox to make the size/scaling the same across all displays, which is a missing thing in Windows 10 so you'd have to use the Windows 10 DPI Scaling Fix tool

 

Ah, got it.

I was testing it out on here using windows 8.1/2560x1440P 120hz which seems to help, but still a tad too tiny and blurry.



Edit: Well damn, that came out better than the original. lol

 

I hate the way 125% scaling looks and it wastes far too much screen space. I will only use 100% scaling regardless of the OS. I have always hated that Alienware used 125% scaling as the default factory configuration and it was the first thing I always changed when logging into a new system for the first time. The way I look at it, if you need more than 100% scaling for text to be readable and look nice, the screen is too small or the resolution is too high for a small screen. That, or you need glasses to see well. But, 1080p and 1440p at 100% are perfect for my personal preferences.

Yes, Windows 10 DPI Scaling fix is good. Using that is part of my new OS setup for Windows 10.

LOL, yeah the screen shots are fine, it's only what you see on the screen itself that looks like crap.

 

I have a lenovo sitting here looking extra crisp at 3200/2880

Wonder why this is harder to do on gaming laptops.

 

Not sure... maybe because they know they can get away with it on gaming machines. I am probably not alone in that I am not willing spend a ton of extra money on a high dollar LCD when an average 1080p suits me just fine at no extra charge. I'd spend a few bucks on a higher refresh rate, but the ludicrous premium for a 4K notebook screen is not something that I'm willing to go for.

Perhaps Lenovo did something extra to make it look nicer than it would if left up to Micro$lop to make it right. Or, maybe it's just a really great screen they used.

 

2560x1440 is not supported (officially and unofficially[black screen] )

@ 100% scaling, you can use 1920x1080. It doesn't quite look sharp but it is usable.

You don't have the 4K panel right? 1080p @ 100% scaling on the standard 1080p panel looks good. I never needed to go above 100% on my Alienware 17, M18x or Panther 5.

On the 4K panel, if you do 200% scaling (sounds crazy but actually isn't as big as you'd think) most things look sharp. There are some apps and even some from microsoft like device manager that may look weird, but they are readable and usable.

On windows 7, the problem wasn't things being blurry. The problem was on things like title bars, the text was WAY too big. Even the minimize/window/exit buttons were HUGE. Otherwise it wasn't bad. Just annoying to me lol



I'll take some pics tomorrow to show different scaling percentages with non-DPI aware and high-DPI aware apps. @ 200%, MOST things, even the device manager looks fine, but I kind of like 175%. Sadly at 175% things aren't as sharp as 200%.

 

Yes, that is very annoying to me also. I know exactly what you are talking about, too. I've had the same experience with Windows 8/8.1 with QHD+ screens on XPS above 100% scaling. Below 100% scaling, text was miserable to try to read. I always ended up setting the resolution to 1080p @ 100% and forgetting about the high resolution feature. I'm glad if they fixed that problem in Windows 10.

 

Yeah it's not an issue in 10. Interestingly, if you select a scaling option divisible by 100 (100%, 200%, 300%) everything looks pretty sharp even non high-dpi aware apps. They may have some banding but that's about it. If you select any other scaling percentage (150, 175, 225, etc.) they do not look as sharp as the 200% or 300% even though everything is smaller. Really weird. If that wasn't the case, I'd be using 175% as I feel that's the sweet spot for 4K on this 17.3" display without loosing too much screen real estate.

 

I guess they bypass some of the fancy scaling and do it in a more direct manner masked to programs at 100% changes.

 

nifty lil tool, adjusted to 140% on my 2880x1620 res and finally everything looks sharp thx for that link buddy

edit: nevermind, after another reboot the blurriness is back even though the dpi fix is switched on also didnt help to switch it off, reboot twice then switch it back on again to a predefined value of 150%...weird

 

Who needs EGPU in a Desktop Laptop right? but nice option to have anyway isn't it?

http://www.razerzone.com/gaming-systems/razer-blade-stealth#razer-core-specs

Edit: Hope manufactures don't cheap out though and use this as an excuse not to give us powerful internal hardware.

 

interesting, about time standardized TB3 egpu enclosures showed up

 

My TB3 GPU power house is already here.

It's called "a desktop computer"