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    *** Official Clevo P870DM/Sager NP9870-G Owner's Lounge - Phoenix has arisen! ***

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    I'm benching in a cool location with assisted cooling. It's not AC cooling but enough to keep temps low. I'm sure @Mr. Fox will have done the same for his FOX-CLOCKS. ;)


    Here's +240/+300 on both GPUs and CPU @ 4.7Ghz. Don't mind the Physics score, I want to mainly compare GPU scores, combined and overall:

    http://www.3dmark.com/fs/7104420

    Here's +150/+400 and CPU @ 4.3Ghz:

    http://www.3dmark.com/fs/7103138

    Awesome, I will try this out. If it was just because of the PLL setting I can go back to a higher overclock.
     
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    that did fix it, but the temps reach 99C and throttles down to 4.1 GHz using the exact same settings that @ssj92 have. Seems like he won the Silicon Lottery
     
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    Are you referring to my 4.4Ghz settings I had posted earlier?

    Are you running fans at 100% and are you delieded?

    My CPU gets to the low 90s under normal conditions at those settings. The only reason I was able to bench @ 4.7Ghz with 78C max in 3DMark was because I had set-up a mini bench station to inject cool air into the laptop and also had the laptop fans @ 100%. Otherwise it'd reach 99C in a second under normal use LOL.

    I really need to delid this thing soon, I'll probably order some more CLU soon then do it.
     
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    no delid, just a u3 cool thermal pad and CLU + advanced copper heatsink. Even 4.3 GHz with the voltage you specified reaches 99C in seconds. -140mV offset on the core and setting it to adaptive I run at 44C idle and 80C max when benchmarking
     
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    Yes once you delid temps won't be a problem. Doing the delid was one nervous process for me, I even made sure I could get an 6700k from a vendor before I started. The layer on top of the cpu is literally so thin you can see through it

    Sent from my LG-H901 using Tapatalk
     
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    Has that been fully stable for 24/7 though? I'll have to try adaptive with offset if it makes that much of a difference in temps.
     
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    Always bro, temps are perfect fans rarely come on full blast, fan profile set to auto. I prefer stability over extreme speed.
     
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    Perfect, I'll give it a try. I will most likely stick to 4.3Ghz or 4.2Ghz on all four cores for 24/7. I need to be able to run a single 330w PSU with both 980m on full load. @ 4.4Ghz with my settings, the PSU would turn off in games and heaven after awhile lol.


    Anyone see the "MSI Vortex" at CES? Has a 6700K CPU and MXM 980 SLI.

    Now if only the Sky X9 gets 980 SLI. :cool:
     
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    For graphic score.

    I believe I was hitting around 24k with around 230/430?

    Either way, that is low. Are your GPUs hitting those clocks consistantly in benchmarks?

    My 3dmark username is something like tgi;pier or something. On my phone atm.

    Edit: Eurocom apparently run out of motherboards. Awaiting new mobo since my old one is not alive.

    I was able run 4.5ghz with +220mhz/+400mhz in games with a single 330w.

    2rd edit: Apparently 23k graphic score.
     
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    I guess it is all about perspective, as well. I remember the first windoze, 286 and 386, a Dos shell to try and get us a GUI, so that we would not have crapple envy. :D It was pathetic, but we suffered through it. When 3.0 came out, we thought we had died and gone to heaven, at first. :oops: It seems so strange thinking back on that now. I ran a small consulting company and used to have people pay me to install software and clean up viruses, because few people knew how to do it. ;) I guess I am just old and reminiscent. It really should not be as complicated as they make it, but it is much easier now than then. Still, it should work better than it does. Too much bloatware in the mix to make a stable OS. That is why I even think about Linux.

    I still remember the old Dos days. My first computer was a Dell 286. :eek: I will never forget when I unboxed it and turned it on. The blinking C prompt was luring me in to its snare, although I thought, what do I do now? :D I figured it out and had a lot of fun over the years. Gaming was a bit different back then. :rolleyes: I am kind of hoping to step into the new world and see how this beast performs. :cool:

    I was actually thinking about a dual boot with Linux and windoze a few years ago but never got around to doing it. I know Linux has value but it seems to be in different world. I m just processing the possibilities.

    Decisions.... Decisions... Thanks for the knowledge. :)
     
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    Hello everyone

    Could someone guide me to overcloak this beast with Intel(R) Extreme Tuning Utility ?
    i have single 330w 980 gpu
    want to have some fun :D
     
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    Don't think you were remotely close with those clocks to 24k GPU im afraid. Or do you have a different link somewhere for that?
    http://www.3dmark.com/fs/6917353
     
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    I didn't count that one either since it's a bugged run.
     
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    I was pretty sure it was bugged since I tabbed out of the demo section. Its fine, I just didnt remember exactly what clock/score I did the clocks on.

    Either way, I dont think that was exactly +220 core anyways?? Not sure what 820mhz correspond to but it seems like its difference from 760mhz.

    I will try rebenching once I have a chance.
     
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    When I see this I think, CPU score loss due to serving more GPU demands when on SLI. When non-SLI not as much GPU requests to serve so more CPU left over for minorly higher physics score.

    Do you really think the physics score is supposed to be exactly the same with 2 GPU's active vs 1 GPU active?

    Does it do the same with lower end GPU's, like 970m's or 965m's? Is it worse with 980 SLI vs 980m SLI?

    Update: Ahhh, stock speeds are too low...
     
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    Guys. These are not fine.

    Edit
    Example. Stock gpu should be about 19.2k up to 19.6k and higher.
     
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    Ya that stock is like 800pts low, so everyone knows my results that I did for you at the same speeds. Deffently a problem somewhere as I feel its the slave GPU but the only way to find out for sure that I know of is swap it in and see how it handles.

    +150/+400
    20160105_42_1062mv-150-400_16428.JPG
     
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    Ssj: stupid question coming from me, you turned off g sync and made sure the fps did go over your refresh rate?
    Sometimes g sync can be glitchy.
     
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    And here it is a higher overclocked run. Do not mind the cpu score.
    http://www.3dmark.com/fs/7120974
    Prema Vbios
    [​IMG]


    So yes, something is surely wrong....unfortunately....
     
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    May I ask whats the voltage and asic of the GPUs?
     
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    Anyone browsing and trying to compare numbers be sure to remeber that the prema partner shop machines are provided modified bios/ec/me firmware along with the modified vbios so numbers will most likely differ greatly from those running pure stock firmware.

    Sent from my LG-H901 using Tapatalk
     
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    Arent you worried about toasting those tiny VRMs?

    And congrats. :p
     
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    YES!!
    That's exactly why im not running at room temp. :D
    Thanks.
     
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    Hey bro, how come your bus interface says x16 and mine is only x8?

    My settings for the PCIe speed are auto in the BIOS but I noticed the first GPU is running Gen 1 speed and the 2nd GPU is running Gen 3 speed that's in the BIOS I mean, but now that I see yours are running both @ x16 makes me wonder. I am using the PREMA VBIOS for my Dual 980Ms and I have a Dual 330W PSU

    Also 3DMark11 is reporting the GPU clock is 540 MHz although I saw that GPU clock rise while running the benchmark

    2016-01-08_094455.png
     
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    Probably because he use different chipset (LGA2011) ;)
     
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    My cpu can run up to 40 lanes. x16+x16+8. Yours can only run like 20 I think. x8+x8+4.

    You can set them to both run at gen 3 speeds, but you still can not run at x16/x16. You can run pcie 3.0 though.

    Base clock is 1038/1253 with a boost up to 1127. I think your cards are close to this as well. So 540 up to something. Not sure.
     
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    ohh I just realized you have a diff. laptop, my bad, I thought something is wrong with my system.

    Even if I manually set them both to Gen 3, save and reboot, you can still see it says Gen 1 for GPU 1 and Gen 3 for GPU 2, doesn't make any sense to be honest
     
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    Can you show me where it says both of your gpus are different? Gen 1 and gen 3.

    If that is in fact the case, you would need to pull gpu one and reseat it then boot back up and make sure it reads gen 2 or 3. Gen one would for sure kill performance.
     
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    I have seen several laptop models with Skylake and Gtx980m that show gpu clock at 540Mhz. Older laptops with Hotwell and gtx980m showed proper GPU-z.
     
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    here:

    IMG_20160108_095318.jpg

    What do you think @Mr. Fox

    I don't wanna pull out any GPU and what not, too much of a hassle.

    what's even more surprising is why is GPU 1 @ Gen 1 and GPU 2 @ Gen 3? like the main GPU is running at a slower speed WTH
     
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    @Papusan Yes, but it's still running at the correct speed.


    @Phoenix
    Take it off of auto and physically set it to gen 3. Max Link Speed.
     
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    that's what I said, I tried that, then saved and rebooted, but GPU 1 was still running @ Gen 1 speed
     
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    Hummmmmm, i would pull it and put it back, but you can wait and see what @Mr. Fox has to say about it.
     
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    Miss my Panther 5 :cool:

    My laptop has no such thing, I have the 4K AUO panel, so no G-SYNC. Not even my GPUs are the G-SYNC versions. :p

    What does GPU-Z say for each GPU?

    Both of mine show up as PCI-E x16 @ x8 3.0 in GPU-Z.
     
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    Both of them are the same:

    2016-01-08_113620.png
     
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    That is actually what I was also waiting on as well....

    Edit:
    @Phoenix That is normal.
    That shows what the gpu is capable of doing while the right side shows your actual stats.
    Looks like 3.0 @ x8 to me, which is fine.
     
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    Okay then you are good to go. The BIOS must incorrectly report it then. According to GPU-Z both of your GPUs are running in Gen3 @ x8 speeds, which is exactly what this chipset supports (2x x8 PCI3).
     
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    What type of temps are we looking at? ;)
     
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    Thanks bro, I was just a bit worried at first, seems like the BIOS is just showing what it is currently running for GPU 1 since I'm not tin a game or anything so it's showing Gen 1
     
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    60 to 70/75
    Yep. no problem.
     
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    Well that's what the CPU supports, the chipset has 20x Gen 3 which it can split into groups of 4x with a combined bandwidth of 4x total at once ;)
     
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    Are you seeing power draw on this order of magnitude as well? Seems adding the MOSFETs increases how much power these bad boys like to chow down on. This was 1.200V also.

    [parsehtml]<iframe width="720" height="480" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/MDcV-PGNues?rel=0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>[/parsehtml]
     
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    Thanks.

    Indeed. Still plenty of time to get it back. :D

    Mine has never went past 747w, but will check to see if i have that much fluctuation in watts.
     
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