*** Official Clevo P870DM/Sager NP9870-G Owner's Lounge - Phoenix has arisen! ***

We don't have any idea when the P775DM will be "released" we just put them up as we get the pricing for them

And for the screen it should be the same one (G-Sync) as the other 17" G-Sync

The LG LP173WF4-SPD1 (We double checked our stock of P770DM)

So that will be eDP

 

Wow... The P870DM is a lot cheaper than my 9377! With the options I want it's only 3600 including the warranty.

I'm shocked to see that it's even offered with a 230W adapter though. Sounds like a disaster waiting to happen.

 

Ethrem, what is the config you "built" for 3600, and was the USD/EUR/CAD $ ?

I configured it as a 980m SLI w/6700K, 2 PCIe 512GB SM951's, 32GB 2x16GB memory, dual power supply (with 2nd dual set), and 3 year warranty.

$6185 USD

 

6700K, 32GB DDR4-2666, 2x250 EVO, 2x1TB 7200 RPM (pretty sure those are the same Hitachi Travelstar drives I have now, not sure why nobody labels them for what they are, they're great drives - maybe Hitachi still hasn't recovered from their deathstar history) 8GB 980 (sick of SLI issues), 3 year warranty, 330W PSU.

I don't need the ridiculous speed of the new SSDs so it would be a waste of money for me.

The only thing I don't like is being forced to use Qualcomm's Killer trash.

 

Ethrem, configured here, and they let you pick a 7265 - for me that's far more problematic than the 1525

http://www.eurocom.com/ec/configure(3,336,0)ec

 

Ethrem, the killer combo works perfectly for me.. Wi-Fi has always been perfect for me and although Bluetooth was not really working however new killer suite has fixed that problem.. No issues with Wi-Fi and Bluetooth now...

Sent from my LG-H811 using Tapatalk

 

Ethrem, 3600 EUR? Cause I just built the same configuration as you spec'd, and it came out to be $5071 USD

http://www.eurocom.com/ec/configure(3,336,0)ec

 

Eurocom is too expensive. If I had issues with the Killer I would just buy a dongle. I have never had issues with Intel LAN or WLAN. It's a personal preference. There tend to be a lot less issues with linux when it comes to Intel chips.

Anyway I just wanted to price a build that is closest to what I have. My 9377 was 4800. Not that I'll be able to afford a new machine for a long time but I can dream

EDIT: LOL at that price from Eurocom!!!

 

Ethrem, wow, that really is a big difference. And, not sure, but Mythlogic is in Canada, and there is no choice of currency, so that price might be CAD $

Quoted out a 980m SLI w/6700K, 2 PCIe 512GB SM951's, 32GB 2x16GB memory, dual power supply, and 3 year warranty - $4,563.60 (CAD$ ?)
https://www.mythlogic.com/configure.php?id=182

 

Pro-star and XoticPC have some of the best prices in the US. I'd suggest people check them out... Mythlogic is a Prema partner (get a Prema bios without worries), but a premium charge.

 

I didn't realize that they were in Canada but even still they're a lot cheaper than Eurocom.

I don't know though... Exchange rates to USD put that system at basically 3500 so I'd bet their prices are USD because that would be a real steal.

I wouldn't hesitate to get another machine from Xotic. Can't say anything about Prostar. I can say though that you don't get the full Prema BIOS last I heard even with Mythlogic and flashing the full version voids the warranty. Maybe that's changed now.

Either way, Mythlogic and Eurocom have their pages up and Xotic doesn't so we can't compare yet lol.

 

They are in Michigan...

 

I've heard really good things about xotic! Plus they have good nbr presence for Q&A and some troubleshooting. Meanwhile, of the three North American distributors (Sager, Eurocom, and Pro-star), they are the cheapest to purchase from. Meanwhile, there are certain aspects I don't like of them. But either they or Xotic has my next purchase, whenever that may be...

 

I was pretty sure they weren't Canadian but thanks for the confirmation lol

I had a really good purchasing experience with Xotic and they have been great about getting issues resolved post-purchase as well which is where most companies fall off. With that said, resellers have limitations that system builders don't have. System builders have more flexibility for parts and such. Its also nice to have a reseller in your corner when dealing with Sager about warranty issues.

 

Things really are quickly moving to 16GB dimms now, 32GB with the option of going 64GB later is pretty sweet.

 

Its a nice perk but I've honestly never come close to filling my 32GB I have now lol.

 

Ethrem, the Mythlogic customization page had reference to Canada and US, I guess they get a lot of Canadian clients

https://www.mythlogic.com/contact-mythlogic.php

CORPORATE HEADQUARTERS

MYTHLOGIC Corporation
3990 Varsity Drive
Ann Arbor, MI 48108

Local: 734.274.2266
US toll free: 800.735.2515

Hours: Monday-Friday: 12:00PM to 6:00PM EST
Saturday-Sunday: Noon to 6:00PM EST

 

Most resellers have Canada warranty and shipping options. I know Xotic does too and they're in Nebraska.

 

Ethrem, Eurocom is getting good marks in other threads on price... I wonder if there is something wrong with the pricing on one or the other site.

I hope Mythlogic can deliver at the much lower price and it stays the same at release

 

Eurocom has always been the most expensive, they just are likely to make great deals when you buy a top end machine from them if you know how to negotiate.

 

Yes, we can ship about any where in the world for the most part.

 

If you price it in Canadian and convert to USD, Eurocom is fairly priced, sometimes even cheaper.

Don't use the USD currency option, its way out of whack. Current FX rate is around 1.3 yet Eurocom uses 1.14 - not sure why.

 

But if you are buying from the US you can't pay in CAD so you have to use USD. They don't allow paying in CAD for US buyers anymore.

 

Ramzay, thanks for checking, I knew it was something like that

 

ssj92, so just configure and challenge the conversion factor they have in place at the time? Negotiate the rate/quote, as Ethrem suggests?

Likely will order from somewhere local in the US, but as new models are listed someplace, they don't always list in the US yet.

 

Yeah, pay in USD. Just use the current FX rate instead of their wonky one, and tell them that's how much you'll pay in USD. If you're buying a decently-priced system (aka not a cheap model) they'll probably agree to it, otherwise they'll lose the business to another seller.

Haggle, in other words.

For example, their base Clevo P750DM is listed at $2000 CAD, which is currently around $1500 USD. If you choose the USD currency pricing option, it'll list it at $1754 USD. Just get a quote, and contact them, offering them $1500 USD.

 

On any automatic conversion like that they would always be conservative so as not to risk loosing money.

 

Using 1.29 instead of 1.31 is being conservative. Using 1.14 (and adding $250 USD to the cost) is not being conservative - that's just being completely unrealistic/out of touch.

Unless they have significantly increased costs whenever they sell in the US of course.

 

Yes, they could simply update each week and keep a 5% margin (Euro is +9% and Pound is +2%, btw). It's rather puzzling, as well; they're loosing a heap of potential US customers because of this.

 

That's the big issue. I'm Canadian, so I don't personally care about the price difference. But they're losing customers because of it.

 

Even the price savings isn't worth customs being allowed to clone my drives. Also, extra time and money in shipping (unless also purchasing the extended free shipping on cost). But, going abroad, because of laws in place (patriot act and subsequent), they are allowed to check all data on any drive...

 

Yeah security concerns are one thing that I really don't like. It's a good thing is so easy (and fast) to nuke SSDs. Sager gets upset with me because I wipe out my machine when I send it in and they have to reinstall Windows but I don't want any of my personal data being available on anything I ship out, whether it is going down the street or crossing state lines. Who knows what can happen in the middle.

 

If I didn't have a chance to back up, I just say I'm keeping my hard drives. I could care less what they want, it's my property. We're definitely on the same page here!

 

If you want to send I a machine then take a backup, nuke it and put the original image back on. No laptop company will get annoyed if they are shipped the machine with a factory image/fresh install.

 

Sucks when you don't have a spare machine to back it up though!!! (No-boot scenario or different type interface (m.2 drives) than your other machines have). There are certain times it happens that a backup and nuke isn't possible. If that's the case, then it is fair to keep it. Otherwise, I do agree, backup and nuke. If you do reload for them, I always recommend a nuke on return before restoring the original image.

 

I don't image my drives, I just make a backup folder on my desktop and drop in anything I want to save. My biggest thing is my steam library which luckily is literally a drag and drop operation. With that said, they should have images that they can restore themselves for testing and then dump them after. If it wasn't such a pain to pull the second mSATA I would pull the drives instead. I just run an ethernet cable from the laptop directly to the desktop and its all drag and drop from there. Since I don't store anything sensitive on my HDDs I just format those, put them in a RAID array, format them again and then break the array and with the SSDs I use secure erase.

 

I consider any case docs as sensitive and all of my writing as either sensitive or intellectual property. Sources for writing are a mixed bag, but I don't consider nearly as sensitive. I don't currently have a desktop (game getting a desktop replacement laptop), otherwise that wouldn't be too bad...

 

Well I wasn't going to build one but I had the money and it had to be spent (disability backpay) so I built a 4790K with a 780 Ti last year. I don't have a monitor though so it's strictly for gaming or when the laptop is out since scaling sucks on my TV.

 

Interesting, could you post a link to this fact?

 

A warning to gamers:

Writing this got me the thinking about the AUO 4k 100% Adobe RGB option for this laptop; this panel will appear laggy and prone to ghosting on high fps or other fast-moving games (and movies?). Unless AUO is lying and they've under-reported their display's capabilities (uhuh ).

Don't care about games and work-stuff will do fine, but movies are a different matter. Well ... don't like action movies anyway, so ... wth . Not going to fork over the resellers' markup, though; +$125 is my limit. Gotta have some principles, after all, and an after-market swap is fine.

 

It was true before when extreme editions came clocked at speeds the non extremes could not overclock to all the time. Now a days they are binned but to a lesser extent.

 

When i asked about it sometime ago,they said, since they charge CAD tax it comes to nearly equivalent USD.Example 2000CAD +13 -14% GST PST.

 

That doesn't make sense, since they don't charge tax on exports. Only Canadian customers are charged tax.

For example, if a US citizen buys stuff in Canada, they get the sales tax they paid refunded to them at customs when they re-enter the US.

 

Thing is when you pay in CAD it ships out of the US Center and not their CAD Center.Hence you Being a Canadian would pay 2000 + internal tax.And a U.S customer using CAD to pay would only pay 2000.Still doesn't justify the prices though

 

I'm assuming you meant "when you pay in USD it ships out of their US centre"?

And it indeed still doesn't justify the price, and still makes no sense with the whole "sales tax" thing. If paying in USD means it ships out of the US centre, Canadian sales tax have no bearing on price.

 

either way paying CAD or USD,once the destination is U.S it ships out of the U.S center.IMO they loose out on lots of good business.

IF tax is the real issue,Could have just added 5% to the CAD to USD converted price since the lowest taxt in canada seems 5%.Because i'm thinking,Leaving in a 13% tax area would result in you paying more than someone leaving in a 5% area and i don't see the logic in all of this.

Still Love their quality of service though and their openness to negotionation.

 

Question to the ones, who sell this beast:

Did you check the noise level yet?

 

I'm curious about that too. Clevo has been making strides in getting their cooling noise down though and with the massive intake surface area under the machine it shouldn't be near as bad as their older machines.

 

It is what I heard through a proxy from an intel employee. I can give you no physical evidence other than the fact that many users get 4960X chips to clock far higher than 4930K chips on average.

 

Yes I can imagine it's got to do with ideal doping ratios at the center of the wafer, I just have never heard of it before but it would make sense,