*** Official Clevo P870DM/Sager NP9870-G Owner's Lounge - Phoenix has arisen! ***

Can you really run a single 330w ac adapter with the i7 6700K and dual 980Ms with the Prema BIOS? I'm talking full on load in games.


Maybe it was because my 980Ms were messed up, but my AC Adapters (both) would turn off. Later on before both failed even a single GPU (no-SLI) would turn off the PSUs so I guess on a properly working system, a single 330w adapter can handle everything, which is great then. No need to carry both adapters and the converter box.

 

Yes I provided an example above, remember you asked Mr Fox and I to perform a similar test with you and it pulled 375 watts when you was troubleshooting your system before it crashed.

 

I was able to do 4.5ghz with a +220/+400. That is with my absolutely max. As in, anymore the PSU will shutdown. I will try to get 330w adapter first I think. I will see what I can do interms of cost front to maybe get both at the same time, but I really doubt it.

 

With the stock BIOS it will not matter anyways because the CPU clocks will not hold as soon as the GPUs get involved heavily so you will not be improving much. Watch xtu and log your clock speed and current throttling you will see.

Once your cpu quits throttling your power usage will go up too so fyi you won't be able to do the same once it's resolved.

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So I pretty much need both, right?

 

If you want to chase numbers yes, if you just want it too work right and maybe chase numbers later then just the bios is needed but either way I wouldn't be able to own the machine without it after seeing the difference.

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Is this still an issue with lower voltages? I am presume the current doesnt change.

 

Yes even at stock clocks (CPU & GPU) the CPU suffers from current throttling due to the stock bios and ec firmware. The 980mSLI will see it more than a single 980m or 980, during my first tests of the P870dm-G (980m SLI) it would clock down to about 3.5 to 3.6 ghz when it should have held 4.0 ghz.

Below is a log from XTU at stock clocks, if you can follow the Core Frequency line you can see it move and I have placed yellow marks just directly above. You will notice Core speed drops when current throttling gets involved not allowing the CPU to hold full power when it should.

 

But if we flash with Prema this is automatically resolved?


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Yes with the prema firmware BIOS & EC it will be completely resolved, then you can push forward and use throttlestop to run any speed profile you wish.

 

Bro, I ordered a new Eurocom Sky X9 with a Desktop 980 GTX instead of SLI this time.

1) I have the 2nd adapter still from my previously stolen system, is there any benefit connecting 2 adapters now that I don't have SLI anymore?

2) With the stock settings and Prema BIOS since I will receive the system with the Prema BIOS installed by Eurocom, will the system throttle as you tested on my previous system or with a single GPU it would be fine? What I am trying to say is, if I leave it at stock settings is it ok or do I still need to lower the CPU voltage, increasing the Turbo Power Limits and whatnot and current...

 

From what I understand, the 200w 980 can take a decent amount of OC'ing with the single adapter and be stable..

 

Are you guys connecting the Phoenix to an external display at 144hz?
I'm using an ASUS VG278HE 144hz no display port but has DVI-D. Been a hassle trying to find one, stupidly bought a miniDP to HDMI not 1.4b+ and it only went to 60hz, just sent it back.
Anyone have this from CableMatters?
http://www.amazon.com/Cable-Matters...74710&sr=1-1&keywords=mini+displayport+to+dvi

 

With prema's bios and ec firmware it will not throttle so you should be good. As for two adapters I wouldn't get rid of it but it won't be a need unless you do some heavy overclocking pushing both the CPU and GPU then to have it on hand could be worth it. If you need to re-coop some money I am sure someone on here would grab it from you too, you never see the combo adapter + converter box on ebay because they go so fast.

 

Damn sorry to hear it got stolen, am reading from page 150+ of what I'm missed but haven't read about that...
I have Prema with Mythlogic mod and it runs great at stock, with Maxed setting in BO3 I don't go higher than 55C CPU and 60C GPU, voltage goes up to about 1.3V, is that high?
I'm reading some skylake overclocking guides to get ready and overclock, but this is what I'm working with now. Oh and no Windows 10 for me, I have a software that deletes the popus from W10 and the secret installation ( yes you read that right, you probably have 8gb+ of windows 10 on your machine ready to pounce).

 

I was hypnotized and robbed!

 

So it turns out I have enough money for both bios and adapter!!!! As long as eurocom sells the second adapter and converter at 275 cad which I believe is their price.

 

Now that is cold weather. I hope you get some good overclocking speeds.

 

Just be careful due to condensation when dealing with outside moist weather and quick temp variation

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If humidity is low outside which it is by -20 degrees it should do your rig no harm. Just make sure you let your rig cool down to outside temps before powering up.
I regularly used my good ol' Toshiba A100-491 outside while astrophotographing in the alps.

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Guess we have something in common

 

That picture surely shows current throttling of CPU.
Mine (not p870dm but 750dm) dont suffer from anything at 4.5.
But [email protected] it does suffer from current throttling.
I am guessing that the stock bios is not allowing the system to increase the current limit.

 

Bumping this, how are you guys rubbing multi displays at high frames rates?

 

Ha ha, that's great! The world is so small when it comes to hobbies!



Just for the sake of completeness: In a cold winter's night - and I mean really cold - you do your rig no harm using it outside, for astrophotography or benching alike!


P.S.: That's a setup of a friend of mine in Finland.

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Now we better stay on topic!

 

Cool, Me too..... @CaerCadarn Which Alps do you use? I use Zierberg in Oberösterreich and Weinberg in Southern Burgenland (not really the Alps but low light pollution and a great Southern view)


NGC 7331 with no Post processing


M 42 with Post processing help from a friend who is Waaaayyy better than I am at it.

I use my Laptops Outside in the cold with no problems, but I usually leave them overnight sitting on a heater before I switch them on again.

 

Sweet! Love being out there in nature with some gear...the adrenaline rushing through you the moment you realize that you depleted your car battery and no way to jump start it...far away from everyone else...

 

Hi Guys,
Vacation is finally over and it's back to the grind. I had a lot of catching up to do on the Thread, lots of posts in 3 weeks. @Phoenix sorry to hear and read about your recent run of luck. Hopefuly the'll catch them and remove some part of their Anatomy.

I finally had time yesterday to rip the XMG down and do the Delid, Heatsink Laping and repasting. Man what a Job....6 Hours of Sanding...The NSA would hate me because I've rubbed the Fingerprints off my Fingers. I will have to say that XMG/mySN did a good job with the pasting, no real problems and the Temps. were not that bad, but being an Engineer I can't leave things alone. I was however supprised at the quality of the factory finish on all the Heatsinks....Atrocious doesn't even begin to describe their surfaces (pictures below). Whoever it was that posted the link to the CPU spacer plate sometime around Christmas...Thank You...It's very nice and you will definately need it if you want to run the CPU delidded. After some measuring I've come to the conclusion that running the CPU delidded doesn't look like it'll work. The top of the CPU is about .5mm below the CPU retaining slide and the screw posts of the Heatsink on the Motherboard look to be about 2mm higher than the CPU and Retaining Slide. Since Copper is not the best thermal conductor I decided to use something better to replace the lid. I bought a 1 Oz. Silver Bar to use a conductor between the CPU and Heatsink. I sanded it down to 2.4mm thickness and polished both sides. It works great, it has a larger surface area than the CPU lid so it will bring the heat out a little faster. I had to trim 6mm from the length of the Bar to make it fit inside the Retaining Slide (Pictures in Spoiler Tabs). I used CooLabs Liquid Ultra between the CPU and the Silver Bar and also between the Silver Bar and Heatsink. I repasted the GPU's with Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut. The Sandpaper I used for Lapping was 400 Grit to Start and then 800 Grit, 1000 Grit, 1200 Grit, 1500 Grit and finally 2000 Grit. I could have gotten them even nicer If I had gone to the Lab and used the Polishing Wheel...but I was too Lazy. Was all the work worth it you ask?...Don't really know, I'm not a major OC'er so it really didn't need it but...the CPU runs about 12 to 15° cooler and the GPU's 8 to 10° cooler, plus the primary and secondary cards temps are much closer together( before and after temp pictures in Spoiler).

Here are the Photos. If anyone has any questions please ask. Warning..Lots of Pictures...

Spoiler: CPU & GPU Heatsinks

Here are some Before and After Temp Screen Shots. These were done using Stock Voltage and Automatic Fan Profile in the Clevo Control Center.

Spoiler: Before and After Temp. readings.

Even though it was a lot of work, If you are a serious OC'er (there might be a couple around in this thread... ) it is definatly worth doing.

 

Ha...@Prema, Don't laugh...Been there, done that... -15° lonely snowy mountantop, 5am...That's when I built this....

Spoiler: Telescope Control Center...

 

My Mythlogic build is in QA and testing phase. Should be receiving it by Thursday before I leave for myrtle beach. Very excited! I do have one concern... I keep seeing everyone bashing windows 10 for physics scores. I went back and forth between 7 and 10 since Mythlogic didn't offer 8... And went with 10 pro. Am I going to have subpar cpu performance with this choice?


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This is NBR, if we stayed on topic, we wouldn't be at NBR.

I was actually thinking about it, and I don't think I wanted to be using my P870DM out in the cold like that and risk damaging it. I used to use my Alienare M18x all the time though and it was still fine.

But since I feel like my P870DM will be MIA for a long time, I ended up ordering a small beater laptop. It's a Dell Latitude 6230 , i5, 8GB Ram, 256GB SSD, got it from Dell DFS for $251 shipped.

What scopes do you have? I have a Celestron C11 SCT on a CGEM DX Mount on a Pier. Second scope is a Orion ED80 CF on a Celestron AVX Mount.



Old cell phone pic lol

 

those lights on the Alienware look sick bro! No laptop this day looks so good! It really saddens me how Dell killed our beloved Alienware brand.

 

I was also able to get 4.5Ghz on the stock with no current throttling with SLI DISABLED. Do you have an SLI system or desktop 980?

NVM just noticed you're on a P750DM, in that case I'm not sure.

Honestly, unless you're benching, you'll be fine.

Yup the Alienware M18xR2 is still the best looking laptop in my opinion. My friend has mine now so I still get to see it.

Fun fact: I always arrange my keyboard lights in an ROYGBIV pattern representing a continuous spectrum for anyone into Physics or Astronomy.

 

All I have is issues with my current haswell cpu... I don't want any issues whatsoever with the new. I play some cpu intensive games and the last problem I want is cpu related. I hope I see zero throttling or else I may go crazy! Windows 10 better not ruin this experience for me.


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Can you recommend or even link a cool lighting profile for the P870DM?

I tried all red, tried the standard Sager colors which they put in all their ads, but it isn't anything that wows me.

 

From what @GTVEVO showed me when he logged in to my previous P870DM via TeamViewer, the throttling with stock settings for the CPU happens when SLI is enabled even though I had a Dual 330W Adapter. I don't know if it will throttle at stock settings when using a single desktop 980 GTX GPU.

Either way I am covered since my next P870DM is a Eurocom Sky X9 that comes preinstalled with the Prema Magical BIOS.

 

In your CPU intensive games you will not see a difference. Maybe 1-2fps MAX difference. This affects benchmarking more. GPU scores are actually better in 8/10.

My profile was:

RED for the outside lid cover

RED for the first zone (all the way to the left)

GREEN for the second zone (middle)

BLUE for the third zone (right side)

See how you like that.

Found a pic of it: @Phoenix

 

So wait this issue is only without the prema bios on windows 10? If that's the case I should not have issues since Mythlogic uses bios in coordination with the prema.

 

Very impressive
Do you happen to have an image of the silver on top of the cpu die to see the proportions ? Theres nothing to hold the silver in place right ? Just the heatsink pushing on it.

 

Okay this whole Windows 10 thing is being interpreted incorrectly.

The CPU current limit issue will be an issue REGARDLESS of your OS. It will happen on 7, 8, 8.1, and 10.

It's a BIOS issue not a OS issue. With the Prema BIOS you will be fine on ANY OS you choose.

 

Thank you for clearing that up. I read so much on Windows 10 I honestly had no idea what to expect. Cheers!!

 

Nice Setup, I don't have a Pier for mine, I have to travel to shoot. I have an OLD Vixen Super Polaris 115/750 Newton wih the Original Vixen Mount (ca. 1983 when they were still being made in Japan ) Guided with a homemade tracker and an Orion Starshoot Guide Camera. I have the Original SBIG-St4 Guider that came with it (and is still pretty damn good). My second one is a Photoline Q102/550 f/5,1 Sixtuplet Apo. on an NEQ5 Go-to mount. I shoot with a Modded Canon 450D Full Spectrum Camera. I guide with Stellarium, EQASCOM and PHD Guiding.

I took a Picture of the Bar on top but it was too out of Focus to use, I was shooting through a Magnifying Glass (Lupe) and didn't see it untill later. You are correct the Bar is held in place by the pressure of the Heatsink. The Bar almost fills the open hole in the Retainer Slide with a 2mm clearence on all sides. The Bar can't fall out because it sits below the level of the Retainer Slide about .5 to .75mm. If it somehow did shift it could only move max. 2mm in any direction. This shouldn't be a problem with CLU as it is also an adhiesive.

 

I used a mini dp to dp cable from Amazon, worked fine for the 144hz 1440 asus display. Startech brand

 

I have a cable matters mDP-to-DP that works fine for my BenQ. No issues with them so far.

 

would the future 6-8 core cpu be available for this laptop? i7 6960x, i7 6820k?

 

Wrong socket and chipset. Unless Kaby Lake has a 6-core CPU, AND uses socket 1151 and Z170 chipset, this laptop will never see a hexacore CPU. Since Cannonlake has been skipped, there's no guarantee that Kaby Lake will support it.

 

This is preposterous!
http://hothardware.com/news/skylake...all-windows-10-or-lose-support-from-microsoft

 

so you mean to say that this laptop can only take a 6700 or 6700K? That's kinda sucky that it's limited to only 2 CPUs and doesn't have any future upgrade options with regards to the CPU, heck we don't even know if it would be able to take the next nVIDIA Pascal GPUs so this makes it no better than a BGA laptop with everything soldered then.

 

Who said anything about only the 6700 or 6700K?

The i3 chips and i5 chips are all present and usable in the machine. I've no idea why one would WANT to, but they are present. There's never any guarantee of new chips on a socket. Intel has been purposefully discarding sockets for seemingly no reason (a chipset update should be all that was necessary) all the time. I understand the difference between SKYLAKE's chipset and Sandy/Ivy/Haswell/Broadwell because of extra chipset lanes and the separation of bclk and fsb etc, but that's one generation in five. No reason for so many sockets otherwise. Everybody knows intel does that crap.

I honestly don't understand why people claim desktops are that much more upgrade-able than laptops for that reason. You need a whole new motherboard, sometimes new RAM, a new CPU, etc anyway most of the time you want to change anything other than GPU and storage.

 

Very true, if one cannot upgrade to the next best CPU because it uses a diff. socket, then it makes a desktop no more upgradeable than a laptop.

In my previous Alienware 18 I had so many CPUs on it, started of with a 4700MQ, then a 4810MQ, then a 4940MX.

Now the best Skylake is a 6700K, I was optimistic that this would just be the best available CPU choice at the time of release and that later on perhaps there will be a 6900K or something or maybe a 6 Core or even 8 Core variant that we can upgrade to. Doesn't seem like a possibility after reading your post. Seems like we may need a new motherboard/laptop when the new CPUs arrive.

PS: On a side note, I wonder how does MSI guarantee upgrades for the next to generations of GPUs when we don't even know what form factor will the new Pascal GPUs come in and if it i possible at all to replace current 980s or 980Ms with the new Pascal GPUs.

 

Of course not. Enthusiast-class CPUs like the 4960X or 5820K use entirely different sockets. You've not seen P770ZM machines using 5820K chips over 4790K chips, right? Skylake-E (which will likely be 7000 series) will not be compatible with this board, socket or chipset. That's always been by design, and why Mr. Fox has been hunting for a X99 laptop. Haswell-E and Broadwell-E use too much power however, so even if you shoved one in a laptop and cooled it, the CPU alone could more than suck 400W+ on a 5960X just over 4GHz... not even counting the video cards. We need larger laptop PSUs is what we need.

MSI is a very large ODM and can likely ask nVidia about intended formats. nVidia already knows, and has already known for many months, how their cards are going to be. The public is not privy to that information, but MSI can at least find out whether or not MXM will be used, and if their machines need to be altered in some method to have them fit.