*** Official Clevo P870DM/Sager NP9870-G Owner's Lounge - Phoenix has arisen! ***

It was correct when I took the screen shot, but the number of votes and percentages have changed since then.

There is more than option available because some people overclock for different reasons. The overwhelming majority either already overclock or want to learn how.

The multiple options allow them to have a better understanding of customer interests and skill levels as they relate to overclocking.

 

Still waiting for him to send me the money for it. I'm starting to have doubts whether he will come through and I may have to put it back up on eBay again. He says he is going to, but I am getting tired of waiting. Although, I am under no pressure and I don't feel compelled to hurry up and do anything at this point. It is just collecting dust right now. I still love looking at those three gorgeous beasts, but after spending a few months with the Sky X9 I have lost interest in using them.

A year's worth of crippled 780M cancer drivers from NVIDIA probably has something to do with that as well. Between their release of exclusively BGA turdbooks, Maxwell incompatibility and being forced to use UEFI to the exclusion of Windows 7, NVIDIA ThrottleMaster driver problems, and now the LCD bricking issue, I'm burned out on the unwarranted level of problems associated with being an Alienware owner. It used to be so much fun, but now it's just one thing after another... too much drama to be excited enough to want to fart around with them any more.

 

Still haven't heard from Eurocom about my laptop. @tgipier says their email support is fast but it's been a few days lol.

 

Well I've been trying to call them for the past 4 hours and all I get is this answering machine. Seems like they only have 1 or 2 guys

 

I dont know. I emailed them this morning at 9am and they replied on 9:48am. You are emailing support@eurocom right?

 

Yeah, their phone support can miss you a lot.

 

You can only fight so long on something before it drains you.

 

Even in 1080p my 980m is pulling 4gb of VRAM in GTA V, is it me or games lately are just vram hogs?

 

Yes that's the email address I messaged them at.

 

Yeah I dont know. Send another reminder? I mean I have received frequently very fast supports from them at that email.

 

hey there, trying to figure out best place to buy this beauty customized in the US... Xotic or maingear or mythlogic or maybe eurocom overseas or whatever... any suggestions anyone? I have only ever built my rigs and I will have this one for the next half a decade or more... also, do this places have Presidents Day sales, I've been waiting for a 4K screen to come for this model to xotic and now I've missed all their sales and they still dont have the upgraded screen... I have this year long waiting game for nothing to have changed...

 

I purchased from eurocom and I am located in the midwest, service was prompt and build time was about 3 days until it shipped out and in my hands on the 7th day if I remember correctly. The big difference you will find between the stores is the build time as some don't carry stock and don't order yours from the ODM until you pay so it will all depend upon if you wish to pay and wait or not. Next, I would always recommend a prema partner store (Eurocom, Mythlogic) I think HID Evolution will do it also but its all to help support the efforts going into their private bios/vbios to support overclocking and warranty.

You will should have a good experience from any store selling it on this forum with the main difference being build time, these are just my personal recommendations. The other store I could personally recommend would be prostar, they are not a prema supported store but my experience with them has been really good/fast and personal in the past.

 

I suggest ordering it from HIDevolution. If you email them, they will get you the Eurocom Sky X9 from Eurocom as they have good relations with them, with the Prema BIOS and all, and cover you under the great HIDevolution warranty which if anything goes wrong with your laptop, they will pay for shipping it back to them and then back to you so you don't need to worry abouot shipping.

Read my full review about them here:

HIDevolution - The Best Company I ever dealt with

Outstanding support from Eurocom!

 

Holy crap the keyboard ribbons are tiny and feels cheap. Actually the whole keyboard feels cheap.

 

Hey guys!

I'm finally with my Sky X9 here with me.

I'm having some problems though =/

It came with a 256Gb Samsung XP941 M2 SSD. Windows 10 (already regreted that) came installed on it.

When I tested the PC it was fine, then I brought it back home (in Brazil) and after a while I start noticing some things, like it taking a long while to boot windows AFTER I entered my PIN. I went to the BIOS and it seemed to not recognize the SSD, as it says there is nothing on Port 0 (where it is).

Also, on Windows, Samsung magician recognize my "games"SSD (a 250gb Samsun 850 Pro M2) which is drive E, but my Drive C whis is the XP941 can be read, but it don't know its AHCI mode, SATA interface and no information about it... Windows recgnize it ok once it boots after a while, Disk Manager also don't show anything strange that I had noticed.

I though about re-installing the OS but if the Bios can't recognize it, I might give myself some lots of headaches. So I though I should learn how to solve this prior to re-installing the OS clean.

Anyone knows how to deal with this?

Thank you very much!

EDIT: I didn't proceed with the installation yet, but if I try to reinstall windows, even though the SSD don't appear on the Bios, it DOES appear as an option to be selected for the OS install.

 

Oh, and when I'm waiting to find something, I decided to keep it like this for a while a play a little.

I'm AMAZED as I could get the 980m clocks around ~1300mhz (190core +350 vRAM), without any voltage increase (I think its the Prema vBios though, but MSI Afterburner won't allow me to increase voltages on the GPUs, BIOS: 1.05.03.EC v1, and vBios: 84.04.88.00.EC, device ID 10DE - 1617, and on CPU-Z it also says SKY GX9 Powered by Premamod.com ).


On Witcher 3 It outmatched my Desktop with two GTX 780 heavily overclocked (1215mhz core each, from 800 and something) by almost 15fps on the same game scene (I could achieve like ~90 fps with everything, including hairworks, on Ultra roaming around Skellige Islands). Even with no OC at all on both computers, the Sky X9 could get 10fps more, consistently. I'm deeply amazed and happy with this computer!!

Now I just need to figure out this ssd windows login problem.

Oh! I forgot to mention: The nights are very warm here in Brasil in the summer (around 27C) and my GPUs were both around 78-81C stock playing Witcher 3, and could get at 89C overclocked. and that were with system fans at maximum. I removed the air restriction on the backplate, and both cards temps were always close when playing, but alt tabing could get them with a ~10C difference which would quickly get warmer and close again once the gaming resumed.

 

I decided to keep my crappy GTX 980Ms (SLI) and abandoned hope for a desktop 980 SLI version.

I would like to repaste the GPUs and exchange the thermal pads with fujipoly sarcon xr-m.
Does anybody here know the thickness of the original gpu pads used by clevo? I can get the fujipoly with 0.5 or 1.0 or 1.5 mm thickness.

 

Ok, so I performed a clean windows install on the XP941 ssd. I formated the only partition windows was installed and left the other partitions that was on that SSD alone (I believe Eurocom might have put them there)
it was recognised perfectly and everything went well so far. It is loging in windows after the pin blazingly fast as it should.

BUT

I can't access my BIOS anymore. If i Press F2 (by "press" I mean keep spamming) during boot and Eurocom logo it does nothing and goes directly to windows...

 

It may happening too fast. Try a full power off/cold boot, or use the Windows option to access UEFI Firmware, which will shut down and load the BIOS for you. When you get in the BIOS turn off Fast Boot and it won't be as difficult to time the F2 key strike fast enough.

 

Promised to chime in and here we go:


Just to close up quickly, I reproduced your result with slightly lower voltage bump on Auto fans. But it wasn't enough to get it through 3DMark11! Will do some more fine tuning with full fans.
What sux my bolz is the crappy physics score! Dunno, if it is too low for stock settings - which I presume - but I assume you got yours on stock as well, right?

I will post further results in the P570WM thread. Feel free to drop by!


Edit: WinGoofs10 crappy Physics performance! Just forgot it for a second!

 

It was just that! lol

I spammed F2 faster and I got to the BIOS. laughed of myself after that lol.
Thank you!

then back to the SSD problems.

On the BIOS after the install, the SSD is still not listed anywhere on BIOS. The SATA Port 0 is listed as EMPTY. Even though now my windows is loging very fast without any problems.

I hadn't finished installing all drivers though, which I'm doing now.

Should I install windows again wiping all partitions? Or should I proceed and ignore the "empty" listing as everything seems to be working alright?

 

Also, on Prema Bios do I need to do the famous -150mv to the processor?
Because I tried -150 and -140 and it seems to be unstable (it is freezing and sometimes restarting out of nowhere... Now I'm trying -100)

 

@Mr. Fox

I have tested over 10 diff. BIOS versions with Prema lately, he is working on a fix for this

With my 950 PRO NVMe SSDs in RAID 0, the Windows Boot Manager disappears. It only comes back if I load stock BIOS

Stay tuned

 

According to @GTVEVO -60 to -80 mv offset is the sweet spot

 

That sounds great! So I should proceed the way I am until those are out. Right?

 

Just load stock BIOS until we get this fixed.

I initially though I had an issue with my Windows 10 USB Flash Disk

When I start the setup, load the latest IRST Driver, the NVMe SSD RAID shows up in the partition/disks list...I then do the diskpart/clean method and let Windows 10 installer create a 100 GB partition for C:

Once the installation starts and the file copying progress completes, then you see system will reboot in 10 seconds...

once the reboot happens, I am back to the initial setup screen? Why? because the BIOS was unable to create the Windows Boot Manager on the NVMe SSDs...

So what I did is loaded the stock Eurocom BIOS again, installed Windows just fine, then we are testing on how to fix this...

you see, when everything is right, you see a Windows Boot Manager in the boot options, but when you load the Prema BIOS, you see INTEL RAID instead, that is the issue....I don't know what exactly but there is no Windows Boot Manager....for now...

 

Mine is weirder then. Even though the XP941 isn't listed anywhere on the BIOS and the Port 0 is listed as empty, I still see the Windows Boot Manager as a boot option.

It is pretty fast right now. if the login issue doesn't happen again (maybe it was caused because I thought I didn't had Prema and set the voltages to -150, then the freezes and wrong boots caused it somehow??), I think I'll keep the Prema BIOS instead of installing the stock one (which I don't even have the files actually).
Also, I'm talking with Eurocom's support about that as well, but they take longer to reply on the times I'm at home haha.

 

I don't use any offset. I just set the right amount and then I have no reason to use an offset. You only need to do workarounds like that using XTU and a locked-down stock BIOS

I kind of doubt it. The @Prema BIOS doesn't have problems with 950 PRO NVMe. The problem is the drive, not the BIOS. In fact, that particular SSD had problems with RAID0 before Prema BIOS was ever released and the stock BIOS was the only available option. Samsung needs to fix the problem with a firmware update. Even with the stock BIOS they can randomly disappear in RAID0. I believe Eurocom and Clevo have already communicated with Samsung about it. There are some NVMe drives other than Samsung that have similar problems with RAID0 and they are being sold as "AHCI only" NVMe drives. As I have mentioned more than once, NVMe technology is buggy and is not ready for prime time, and if I were buying one of these machine my config would be ordinary M.2 SSD and not NVMe. The speed is awesome, but the hassles are not. NVMe is just a huge pain in the butt IMHO.

The stock BIOS sucks. Better to just run in AHCI until Samsung gets their act together with good firmware. Take it out of RAID0 and they should work fine. The newer BIOS base has other issues and is not suitable for modding. For example, you cannot disable UEFI and boot from DOS because Clevo removed the option. Since I stopped trying to use RAID0 I have had no major NVMe problems, but when I was trying to something was always getting screwed up and I was frequently reinstalling Windows because it would end up broken.

 

But the XP941 isn't NVMe, is it? I would be using mine as AHCI (if I had the option to see it through the BIOS haha). But looking for this issue, I found some forums with people complaining about this SSD on Asus and Asrock mobos as well. As you said this SSD is the problem =/
Wish I knew before choosing it. I would have choosen a comon a 250Gb 850 Pro instead (like the one I have my games installed).

BTW if the issue ever happens again, I'll switch them. I'll use the 850 Pro for OS install and the XP941 for my Steam library

 

I was actually replying to Phoenix on that answer. I am not familiar with the XP941, but I have repeatedly suggested avoiding NVMe. You probably did not see one of those posts where I said that. If you are looking on the SATA ports in the BIOS it will not show it if is using a PCIe port. That part is normal because it is not on a SATA port. It is on a PCIe port.

If everything is working correctly, I would not worry about it.

 

Well I never had an issue with the NVMe drives in RAID 0 with the stock BIOS....never disappeared or anything, ran them like that for many days

4K Random Read/Writes are about 5 MB/S slower in RAID mode than a single drive setup for these NVMe SSDs actually. The only reason I do it is because I have a large games library so it's best to setup a 100 GB partition for the OS and 750GB partition for the games and software folder and about 103GB for overprovisioning.

 

yeah he won't see the NVMe SSDs listed in the ports 0/3 but they are there

 

Oh, I actually saw the posts =) I just didn't thought this was a NVMe SSD. It isn't listed as such in the Eurocom's configurator.

Also I don't know which NVMe drivers I should install (or if should try at all). Because when I was trying to solve the problem prior to the fresh OS install I tried Intel NVMe drivers, 950 and 951 Pro drivers and none even installed (as they didn't recognized any compatible hardware)

 

They were having issues with the 950 Pro dropping out in RAID0 in the labs before the first machine was ever released. Samsung has had plenty of time to fix it. A newer BIOS might have partially fixed the problem, but fixing NVMe RAID0 and screwing up other things is not a good solution. Not being able to disable UEFI and boot from DOS is a huge deal breaker.

I think you are misunderstanding my comment. NVMe drivers are not needed if your SSD is not NVMe, but if it is running on a PCIe port it would not show on SATA ports in the BIOS because it's not using a SATA port.

 

Seems like the SM951 is an NVMe SSD unless they have 2 versions of it, one NVMe and one standard:

http://www.maximumpc.com/samsung-sm951-nvme-256gb-review/


Also, regarding the driver to load, many have reported that the 950 Pro drivers work even for the SM951:

Samsung NVMe Driver v1.4.7.16

Those drivers are to be used only for AHCI they won't work for RAID. For RAID you only need the IRST Driver.

 

Below is a picture of my BIOS main screen. What do you see if you open the menu for Offboard SATA Controller Configuration? Are they shown there? My NVMe drives are visible if I open the menu below that one, but SATA Ports 0 and 3 are "Not Present" because nothing is using those ports.

 

Sorry, sometimes my English fails me (not my main language =P)

Oh, mine is the XP941, not the 951. I tried those drivers but they don't install.

 

Open the Offboard NVMe Controller Configuration menu and look, these drives are visible there. If his are not NVMe, then he might find his on the menu above that.

 

This is mi

Where is that?

 

If you have the Prema unlocked BIOS, that is on the first screen when you enter the BIOS. The one labeled "Main" at the top like shown in the photo.

Off-topic: My office chair broke a couple of days ago. Just got one of these and man... totally awesome. My wrinkled old man bo-bo has never been happier.

 

Now you will not get any work done. You will be taking power naps. Lol

Sent from Mr. Spock through Tapatalk

 

The XP941 had two versions, one AHCI and one NVME.

Off topic: I'm still rocking my DX racer chair I got discounted off ebay

 

This is my BIOS picture.
The sata

Silly me! Was in front of me all the time.

The SSD is listed on the SATA controller configuration, even though the SATA Port 0 don't recognize it.

My Bios version is listed as 1.05.03EC v1.
Also, vBios is:
84.04.88.00.EC
It says Prema all over, but the version numbers are very different than yours (but as you test lots of Bios I thought it should be like this, just confirming)

 

That VBIOS version is a PREMA VBIOS

 

^Thats the release version of PM branded under eurocom. I am stilling waiting for the vBIOS, when did you get it from them and for what card?

I need some more storage now after running VM and downloading games. My plan of being cheap and using 240gb SSD was an epic fail......

 

Both came installed on my Sky X9. Bought it 2 weeks ago, it was delivered last Friday, and I traveled from Brazil to Miami to fetch it. Got back home yesterday

 

@Mr. Fox

After flashing over 15 BIOS revisions tonight....Prema finally fixed this big mystery! Booted just fina on my RAID 0 with 2x950 PROs just fine!!

This guy is a magician!

 

Would anyone be able to give me some OC configs that have worked well for them for the 980 desktop version card? I feel I need way to much voltage to run what I am without crashes. For long term gaming I am sitting at +130/+50 with +50mV

 

I would imagine the vram can probably be upped a bit more. Every videocard is different, so everyone's profile is going to be different. What is your ASIC?

 

My ASIC for my desktop 980 GTX is 71%