*** Official Clevo P870DM/Sager NP9870-G Owner's Lounge - Phoenix has arisen! ***

Hmmm...

Has anyone tried uninstalling the control center and using XTU?

Or do you need the CC installed for proper functioning for everything else?

 

I think that using XTU without having Control Center installed might give no problem.

Both programs have access to Bios settings, so, only installing them together might trigger the problem and then requiring a fresh OS install to clean it.

I corrupted my BIOS on a Gt72s with XTU and only corrected the problem after I used the MSI recovery function, after I found a way to initialize the BIOS trough a pendrive. It was SCARY.

 

Finally, after a three month wait! It has arrived last Friday. Although a little heavier than my AW17 R1 but it's much much faster, cooler and the sound is great!
Thank you @Phoenix for the driver mirrors and @Mr. Fox for the XTU settings and the delid instruction. To the guy who said one tube of CLU is not enough, no kidding!
Here's my highest 3dmark11 score with the stock bios/vbios: http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/10942707
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/10807670

Question: I have one unknown device though, when I look at the device manager and type the hardware ID for the unidentified device, this is what appears in the results: Insyde Airplane Mode HID Mini-Driver . But I have already installed the airplane mode driver which came from the Sager install disc. Anyone experiencing this? How did you resolve it?

 

Never had that issue

1) Download the version from my drivers mirror

2) Go to services and ensure the Windows Driver Foundation is running before your install the driver

3) Right click on the setup file and choose run as admin

4) let the driver install then reboot

 

@GTVEVO @Mr. Fox

Guys why is it when I run 3DMark I can see that the CPU clock down all the way to 800 Mhz in HWiNFO?

BIOS Settings:

All Cores set to 42
Coltage = Adaptive
Offset = -150 mV
Turbo Power Max = 130000
Turbo Short Power = 130000
All IA Current limits set to 250000
VR Limits all set to 640

Is it a must to use Throttle Stop? I mean why doesn't the laptop function as it should without the need for Throttle Stop? this is a huge throttle down to 800 MHz

 

I have an P170EM that I use at work on daily basis so I can give you an estimate... of course it's just my opinion and most likely I don't have the same taste in keyboards as you do but anyway... Here is what I have to say : I find my P170 keyboard more stiff then the one of the P870, you need more finger force to push the keys but does not mean it's worse the P870 or the P170.... To be honest i find the P870 keyboard more to my liking. I find the big centered fonts on the P870 keyboard more pleasing. You will lose the 10 steps illumination from the P170 and you only get 4 on the P870 so you will lose the ability to fine tune the illumination power but I feel that the max illumination on the P870 Keyboard is ok for a bright lit room and the min is ok when you watch a movie (it's dimmed enough not to bother you much, but of course that depends from person to person, it's very subjective). Can't really talk about the keyboard backlight brightness because the P170 was running at least 8-11 hours for 3 years now (and certainly the leds have lost some of the power/brightness ) and the ones in the P870 are brand new. The colours have a better representation on the P870 keyboard : I like to keep my keyboard on white and on my P170 the white is more like a very light shade blue and on the P870 is almost a clean white.
On my P170 the keys are not aligned perfectly, don't ask me why, probably because the keyboard aluminium backplate is not perfectly straight. I was complaining in the beginning to the seller but he did not change it... so i had to live with it. It's not warped or anything bad but when you look at it you can't notice that it's not perfect like it should have been.
I like a lot more the coating on the P870 keyboard compared to the one on the P170, it's soft silicon rubber feeling, very nice to the touch.( but it might wear faster)
My P170 keyboard had seed a lot of typing in these 3 years and i gotta say it looks very good and works very good and was very resilient to wear and tear... hope the P870 will behave the same...

L.E : The Clevo keyboards can't compare to the ones I had in my alienware M17x and in Dell Precision M6600 and M6700 when it comes to typing feedback, key travel and so on... but with the Clevos it is what it is... it's not like you can customise the laptop with a different one... so...

 

Fallout 4 drops to 30fps on 980m sli!?


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If you run it at stock is it still 800Mhz? Have you tried pulling out the battery, pressing the power button for 15s and then re-insert the battery?

 

Sure when you use a full auto explosive shotgun on a river and keep firing it in the river causing splashes for a long time. Also I had graphical mods running and godray on max. I tried to drop my FPS on purpose with stuff like that to test the absolute worst case frame time. Usually, the frame time is a perfect 10ish ms.

 

Thank you! The keys on my p170em arent aligned perfectly either, thats really annoying. My understanding is that the p870 keyboard is a 15 inch keyboard. Is it a big difference from the p170? If you have the time, can you measure it? If you type fast, will it miss any keys?

 

Yes, the keyboard from P870 is the same that it's used in the P751 15" laptop, and it's the same that it is used in the P771 17" laptop, and again in the P775 17" laptop.... it was also used in the previous 15" model named P750 and again in the previous 17" laptop named P770.... so it looks like this model is definitely here to stay
The P170 is 35cm x 10.7cm and P870 is 34.5cm x 10.7cm (give or take 1-2mm).... I can't say if you will miss keys but you will need some time to adjust like with every new keyboard... In my opinion in 1 week time you will be fine and well adjusted... but things might differ from person to person.

 

Yes to stop the power balance behavior you will need TS for now in some situations when very heavy GPU power is being used otherwise the feature cuts in dropping you CPU power to cover the GPU. @Prema is working this out as well in the BIOS/EC since all the current limits were removed and are no longer any issue so set your base in the bios and then engage TS adaptive with your base clock as your startup profile and you will be good to go.

But wait, with the @Prema bios it should never never never go below 4.0ghz since that is the base coded into the bios so if it is something else must be going on if the High Power profile is not activated setting min and max CPU at 100%.

 

To use TS I must replicate the BIOS settings on TS? Should I return BIOS to default settings and use only TS to set the values, or I just install it and it will read the settings I adjusted on the BIOS?

 

You don't have to replicate your bios settings but to be safe it's recommended that when TS starts a stable profile is set as the startup profile. This way you don't have instability at launch.

If done correctly and your power limits are high enough you then just use shortcut keys to switch profiles and you don't have to touch the bios at all during your day to day changes.

FYI if you do mess up just delete the .ini file in the ThrottleStop directory and you can start over.

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I really like this ideia. I'll try as soon as I get back home!
Thak you!

(I tried to give reputation, but it didn't allowed me again =/ )

 

Thank you it's always appreciated, please pass on to @uncleweb as he is the genius developer to provide the great tool for us to use by donation. Keep is informed.

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Welcome phoenix
Install the previous version of Control Center 5.0000.0.35
This latest 5.0000.0.36 caused variations fans without XTU
For me XTU + 5.0000.0.35 works perfectly

 

I'm planning on purchasing a P870DM and am intrigued by the Prema BIOS (being in North America, I believe I'd have to purchase this beast from either Eurocom or Mythlogic). If you're not an overclocker (at least I'm not yet), is there any advantage or disadvantage to his mods over the stock version?

Disclaimer: There's a lot ... an awful lot ... I don't know. So, if I've misspoken in any way, please feel free to correct me or point me to the appropriate source.

 

There are other advantages, like a better working BIOS and vBIOS with less to almost no throttling which will translate in better performance.

But its main advantage is overclocking indeed. But I feel that with a robust chassis like the P870 without Prema, its like having a sports car and never use it in a track, only being able to drive withim legal speed limits, or never spin its engine close to the RPM powerband.

Taking advantage of the sports car comparison, I like to think that other expensive gaming laptops are like expensive fancy fast cars, lets say, like an Audi RS6. Its a demon of a performer, but its luxurious, have room for plenty, its heavy and confortable.
But the P870 its a Nissan GTR. Its not fancy, its not luxurious, its not very confy even though it costs the same. So where your money is? It performs like a racing car. A Audi RS6 wouldn't even touch it on a track, and on most streets.

 

Whats the Mclaren P1?

 

Hahahahah

Didn't thought about it ;-)
I used the GTR because it have different offerings in the same price range but aren't as performance oriented. But the P1 compares only to other track beasts like the Porsche 918... wouldn't ilustrate my metaphor haha.

But, I don't know, A desktop with quad SLI 980ti, liquid OCed 5960x and a retractable wing on the case?

 

Thanks for the response.

As long as there is no disadvantage to the Prema BIOS, my tendency is to get it. If/when I decide (and have the knowledge) to overclock, then I'm all set. But the sales person at Eurocom seemed concerned about the fact that I had no experience with overclocking. It wasn't 100% clear to me why ... perhaps warranty issues, or pricing, or ? I guess I should find out.

 

I believe its mostly warranty. They must warrant parts that may get much more stress, even more if you're unexperienced.

 

That's probably it. Yet I'm pretty sure purchasing a i7-6700K doesn't raise any questions, and won't XTU allow me to overclock? Oh well ...

 

I never even knew there was a .36 version, I only have .35

 

It's listed on Clevo's Driver Download page for the P750DM, but on the P870DM-G page, it's still only showing the .35 version.

Not sure if it's an oversight on Clevo's part or if it is, in fact, not yet 100% compatible with the P870DM-G models.

I'm not willing to test it on my system. I'll let someone else risk their Clevo for that. And whoever that is, I thank you ahead of time for your service.



EDIT:

ACTUALLY, the Model P7xxDM/P7xxDM-G page now has ~1.0.38 there, as of 1/22/2016.

I have no idea if it's the same exact software or not though. I'm not brave enough to test that out on my system though.

 

Oh, but XTU is limited. You can do SO MUCH more on Prema BIOS! Not only to achieve stability, control throttling and such, but also mess more things up if you push it where you don't know.

And there is so many things there that few of us here in the forum know them all.

I for instance keep asking some people how some things work there even though I had some systems overclocked pretty nicely before.

 

Pretty much what he said. Working with desktop is different from laptop..

 

I have to wait until first week of March to get my Mythlogic machine back.... I'm so impatient and although I have a backup desktop with WoW and every console known to man I still want my laptop! Waaahhh

 

thanks for the links, seems like Clevo has already forgotten about their flagship model as it's been a while since there were any driver updates

I'll test that .38 version

Edit: nevermind, all links are invalid

 

Look on the bright side. You have more time to finalize your GPU config, even(if launched) 980 SLI

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Regarding the upgrade to Pascal... Are GPUs for these machines interchangeable in that way? If I buy the 9870-s today with the gtx 980 (desktop version) and the Pascal comes out in 6 months & is worth upgrading to, is it like old school "pop one card out, new card in, load drivers and off you go" or is it limited in some way? Could I switch to the "m" version in SLI config if I chose to, or again go with the "desktop version" of the new card without hassle? Or am I dreaming that these are plug and play/quasi a futures proof?

 

It's one of the most expandable machines you can buy. Nobody here can answer what the future holds though at this point. No details on new gpu's have been released to the public yet. Clevo is the new king of expandability though. I have learned over the years to not stress over what might come out. If I "need" a machine now I buy the best I can afford that's out now. If I don't "need" a machine now I either wait till I do. Chances are whatever comes out will be faster but may not be fast enough to spend the extra $ upgrading, who knows though - nobody. Except maybe Nvidia right now. The Phoenix the the machine right now and the 980 desktop card is an amazing card as is the 980m's when in sli.

 

Not for sure if Pascal will have compatible cards, but I would think that they would have an MXM card. So hopefully that will be an option you could upgrade in the future, if you want to drop the money for new graphics cards. Even if you get a 980 now, that is still going to be a powerful card and should last you a while before you would really need to upgrade though.

 

Yea, their servers are terrible. I can't connect to anything on their servers. Nothing but DNS errors for me. Doesn't' matter what drivers I click on.

 

Clevo/sager machines are using a standard mxm structure now (firmware and software) so if any machine can then they can.

 

Even if they don't make Pascal MXM 3.0 cards (which is unlikely, since Pascal cards will probably be the same size, if not smaller than Maxwell cards thanks to the new HBM stacked memory and lower voltage), having Thunderbolt 3.0 will pretty much guarantee External GPU housing support for the Pascal desktop versions. I think Intel is working on universal eGPU Thunderbolt 3.0 housings for Macbooks and PC notebooks/laptops right now. Plus you got Razer, ASUS and MSI doing their own thing too.

Either way, I think these Clevo's have pretty good lifetime ahead of them compared to most of the other laptops.

 

Nothing quite compares to being able to take it all with you in one or two pieces though (machine, PSU and mouse)

 

Yeah, totally agree. I find it really difficult to give any credit to a notebook that relies on something that tethers it to a desk. It's either an awesome laptop when used strictly as a laptop or it's not. If you have to tether it to a desk to get nice gaming performance from it, then it become a really crappy and crippled lame excuse for a desktop.

 

Just ordered my P870DM and I'm super excited for it to arrive. Ordered through the guys at HIDevolution and so far they have been nothing but helpful. I saw some of you guys talking about cases for this beast a while back, and after searching rather briefly online I'm struggling to find any that will fit (I'm only really interested in messenger style bags for now), I was told that the one I really liked the look of (The Mobile Edge Eco Olive bag for 17" laptops) is too small for the P870DM by the guys at HIDevolution , and figured I would ask you guys if you had any suggestions.

I shall be taking this laptop to work daily so I'd prefer a Messenger style, but am open to be convinced to use a backpack if its really good.

As always thanks in advance and I appreciate any advice that comes my way!

 

That depends on whose hands it is in. There is a place for those machines too, they do tend to suit different people.

 

Oh no no no! I have a bad feeling when 980sli is launched its going to be an oven of temperature issues. Pun intended. I'd rather sit that out and wait for Pascal. 980m sli will hold me over!!

 

No!, the P870 980 SLI is not going to be an Oven, it is going to be a Tornado of Performance!!

Celebrated by the screams of power from the fans, and the whirling hot winds generated out of the exhaust vents.

The Phoenix Rises to it's Peak of Performance, in The Tornado!!

Naming freely given, P870 SLI 980 freely accepted

 

If the MSI Titan with 980 SLI is an indicator of a thermal challenge, your bad feeling has merit. MSI certainly left something to be desired in that arena... far from elegant execution. Between the decision to go with a crappy BGA CPU and their GPU thermal problems, that sucker is quite a mess.

 

What GPU thermal problems? They run cool... where did you get the idea they are running hot??

 

From the reviews I read. Maybe they fixed it after the fact.

 

I didn't see any reviews where anyone complained about the GPU temps, link(s)?

So far all the owners reports are that the temps for GPU are low under load, as is the CPU.

***The Official MSI GT80S Titan (w/desktop 980 GPU's) Owner's Lounge***
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...itan-w-desktop-980-gpus-owners-lounge.785384/

 

http://www.notebookcheck.net/MSI-GT80S-6QF-Titan-SLI-Notebook-Review.157615.0.html

Maybe they received a lemon for review.

 

Please don't go messenger style. Especially with weight including a phoenix, it's power adapter and additional peripherals.
Get a good backpack instead. Your back will thank you.