*** Official Clevo P870DM/Sager NP9870-G Owner's Lounge - Phoenix has arisen! ***

The phoenix weighs more than my textbook, and thats really saying something.....

 

And thats before the whole battery boost thing..... The poor thing needs to bleed its own battery to run the 980 SLI at full power since the single 330w adapter aint enough.

The only thing the titan got over the phoenix is the keyboard. Although the numpad design on it was.... interesting.

 

That's what it sounds like, a bad paste job on one of the GPU's.

Those review laptops get shipped around a lot and that's not good for heatsink/chip mating/thermal compound joins.

But, the CPU cooling isn't as good as the GPU cooling, it's not got it's own fan, and has long heatpipes to the exhaust heat exchangers, with the Broadwell and Skylake the problem isn't noticeable up to 4.1ghz.

As the GT80(S) sits, it's heavily weighted toward providing cooling and resources to the GPU's and the CPU is only as good as needed to feed the GPU's.

The lower TDP of the CPU in the GT80(S), 45w/47w is actually a benefit for feeding the power hungry SLI 980, more power for GPU's.

MSI enabled power from the battery in the GT80S's under GPU load, which is a bit aggressive out of first release. They can gain another 30w at least for laptop power from the wall with further tuning, which they say they are doing.

It's a miracle of design and tuning that the 980 SLI is fed from a single 330w power adapter and is performing so well.

With the higher TDP CPU/GPU's in the P870 we need a larger power supply, or 330w x2 "standard" tuned support, for SLI 980m as well as SLI 980.

 

Hmm backpack might work, any recommendations?? It will also be good when i travel back to the UK to visit the family. I just prefer the way that Messenger ones look.

Does anybody have any recommendations (I will likely be carrying dual power bricks, a couple paper pads , pens maybe a game-pad and headset) for backpacks??

Finally and completely unrelated , Is it particularly difficult to flash the Prema's bios to both the cpu and the GPU's respectivley yourself? I asked HID but they wanted A LOT more cash to do it for me. (I've flashed bios' before to desktops etc)

Thanks in advance!

Martin

 

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2) It's not about flashing the BIOS only, even Eurocom charged me $200 USD extra and that is for them to cover your system under warranty despite it having a non-standard BIOS because if you use the wrong settings, there is a possibility that you may damage something so it is only fair to charge a bit more for that BIOS and still have your system covered under warranty.

Try flashing a non-standard BIOS on any other system and you know your warranty is voided, at least this way, you have an option to keep your warranty whilst enjoying the awesome Prema BIOS

If you have a standard BIOS and any component fails, then the manufacturer bears the cost of replacement, (ie. CPU, RAM, etc).

If you have a non-standard BIOS, then the manufacturer takes no liability to replace the damaged component and Eurocom/HIDevolution would have to bear the cost so charging a bit more extra IMHO is only fair for them taking this risk.

Justy my 2 cents worth.

 

Well I already ordered it now so I guess the question becomes do companies like HIDEvolution do after sales bios flashing. I.e. you ship it back to them for this to be done??

 

That Everki bag looks awesome, but I definitely want linus' cat with it!

 

Did you buy a Clevo P870DM-G or a Eurocom Sky X9 from HIDevolution ?

I bought my Eurocom Sky X9 from HIDevolultion, they ordered it for me and at a very competitive, price.

what Eurocom is working on now you see, they want people to send the system in so they will flash the Prema BIOS for them? Why? simply because they don't want you distributing their BIOS to someone else. What they are doing now is a very smart system where the BIOS they send you will have your system's serial number injected in the BIOS. So only you can flash that BIOS and if you give it to someone else it might fail the flash or brick the system. Very smart way to protect their exclusivity of this BIOS.

The new BIOS system will be out in approximately 2 weeks.

 

That's the bag I have. I have seen a lot of reviews and this by far is the best.

PS: HIDevolution can order any accessory you want. Even if they don't have it on their site, just tell them and they will source it for you.

 

I bought the Clevo P870DM from Hidevolution, preferred them to eurocom. They offered the bios but said it would come branded by eurocom and I didn't want that (nor could afford the extra near 400$ to have the bios's applied) So i got the same specs but from HIDevolution instead of EC.

 

good choice. I ordered my system from them with a 3 year global warranty, their warranty unlike others, covers shipping both ways in case anything goes wrong. If it's a small part that needs replacement, they will send it to you if you want to install it youself, if it's something major, they will send you a courier to pickup their system and then repair it for you and send it to you back free of charge, that's if you have the global warranty. That can be added later also if you didn't opt for it now but it will cost a bit more if you add it later.

Let me know if you have any questions as I had the Clevo P870DM-G from them as well before the Eurocom Sky X9.

When you receive your system, I advice you to change the voltage to an offset of -150mV otherwise the CPU will overheat a lot when stresses as the default voltage is too high.

I set -150mV for both the CPU and Cache and this way the temps never go above 80C even while gaming and also prevents throttling if you add a little Turbo Boost Power Max value, when you get your system let us know and we will help you.

The good news is, you can always add the BIOS later so no need to stretch your budget now.

I hope PREMA will release this BIOS for the public soon as promised before then you won't have to pay other than a small donation. (if it ever gets released to the public)

 

good choice. I ordered my system from them with a 3 year global warranty, their warranty unlike others, covers shipping both ways in case anything goes wrong. If it's a small part that needs replacement, they will send it to you if you want to install it youself, if it's something major, they will send you a courier to pickup their system and then repair it for you and send it to you back free of charge, that's if you have the global warranty. That can be added later also if you didn't opt for it now but it will cost a bit more if you add it later.

Let me know if you have any questions as I had the Clevo P870DM-G from them as well before the Eurocom Sky X9.

When you receive your system, I advice you to change the voltage to an offset of -150mV otherwise the CPU will overheat a lot when stresses as the default voltage is too high.

I set -150mV for both the CPU and Cache and this way the temps never go above 80C even while gaming and also prevents throttling if you add a little Turbo Boost Power Max value, when you get your system let us know and we will help you.

 

I looked at the SkyX9E but the P870DM seemed to have exactly the same specs to it from what I saw, did I miss something? how is the X9E different?

Thanks with regards to getting the help I will certainly contact you when it arrives.

 

it's the exact same laptop but has Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra on the CPU for the thermal paste and has the Prema BIOS/VBIOS preinstalled.

I did all those myself and basically now my Eurocom Sky X9 is no different than the Sky X9E

What specs did you order yours with?

Please list them and preferably add them to your signature like I did

 

Yeah I had HID include the Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra stuff on mine too, didn't get the prema bios yet though.

 

great, so physically, you have the Sky X9e now, whenever you get some extra cash, you can pay for the Prema BIOS and have it covered under warranty. No rush, you got a great machine.

 

I don't want to be mean or anything but ..... quoting from the review "We have to criticize the temperatures as well. The palm rest is always conveniently cool at 27 °C (~81 °F), but we can measure up to 61 °C (~140 °F) under maximum load at the bottom. "

What palm rest? The laptop does NOT have a palm rest due to the keyboard placement..

 

Maybe they mean the large surface between the keyboard and the screen. You can make your bacon and eggs right there, while reading your email before breakfast. Just set Furmark to run the burn-in test and it's ready in a jiffy.

 

Could we get some biscuits and gravy with that? I also prefer sausage.

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It's also perfect for hot lunch on the go...

 

It might be hard to make a milkshake to go with that. Probably bad for the computer.

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I want a waffle maker on that!

 

I just got the Everki Titan last week and it's incredebile how much s#*t you can stuff in it....It'll hold the 870, PSU, Mouse, metal Mouse Pad, Logitech Keyboard, Cables and I still had enough room for a Xikar 10 and Xikar 5 Travel Humidor....Crazy...and it's comfortable to carry.

Spoiler: Everki Titan

 

How do I make a keyboard shortcut to set all the fans (both CPU and the 2 GPUs ones) on 100%?

 

The only fan control is through CCC. Its stupid, I know.

 

Function + 1 I believe

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As GTEVO said above ^^

 

Nice!!

Worked! Thank you very much!!

 

yes and to go back to automatic fan profile again, just press that key combo once more

 

From what I have seen that is standard, obviously the keyboard would be cool as is takes up all the vertical room where it is.

 

I finally figured out my problem with controlling skylake voltage, apparently I forgot to change the volt on the cache as well on TS and apparently core voltage is tied to cache voltage....

I am getting far better temperatures now.

 

Oh yes. I figured that after a post that @Phoenix made with his settings, and I used it as basis to find mine.

I'm running mine as a constant 4.1ghz, no C states, no nothing. jus 4.1 invariably. On my hot nights here, during 6 hours+ of witcher 3, the warmest it gets is high 60s C.

 

Well... as long as you can't rest the palm on that surface.... you can't call it palm rest... maybe food rest.... or coffee warmer? I am mean right now, I know, sorry.

On the other hand I cannot believe that they use/still use Furmark to stress test the laptop... and not some more realistic app/test like Unigine Valley Benchmark... the Furmark is brutal and has nothing to do with real life scenarios... not even the worse real life gaming scenarios.... but when it's not your hardware you can afford the risk to damage it

I can understand that they want to test the machine but there are better ways to do it, ways that can reflect real gaming scenarios, like rendering/encoding an 4k video, rendering in 3dsmax, gaming BF4 in a hot room (33-37C). I would like to see these scenarios and many more to have a true image of what the machine is capable of in terms of cooling and noise...

 

Can you please tell us what "warmest" means in C... for some warmest means 28C... for others means 40C...
When it comes to temps every digit counts so you really need to be specific in order for us to be able to extract an usable information.

Thank you !

 

Here is a weekend review I posted with all indicators logged. It should help provide answers to some questions such as long session gaming temps.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/index.php?threads/788278/

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I meant that on a 30C Night (its 30C in 3am in the night!) the CPU gets around 62 to 65C when playing Witcher 3.

Its hard to have the CPU temps right and very exact, because it changes a LOT as a agme is not a proper CPU bench or stress test because it doesn't offer the CPU a more or less constant workload as it does for the GPUs.

 

It's pretty reasonable though for temps I certainly count 30C at night on the very warm side

 

I know that you don't have a constant room temp and the game load on the hardware it varies but I really needed a point of reference... at least I do... because like I said... for some warmest means 26C for others 30C or even 35C.... and this difference does impact a lot for the hardware cooling...
Glad that the temps are so good, here in the summer, during the day is around 28-33 with AC on (it does not cope well with the big room and with the various electronics that generate heat) and when the AC is off, during the day it gets to 33C even 35C.... At night is a lot cooler.. 27C ish... So I shall be ok in the summer
Thank you for the feedback !

 

Sorry, I edited my post to be more understandable. My english sometimes fails me (its not my main language).

I meant that on a room temp of fairly constant 30C, the CPU temps fluctuates around 62C to 65C.

I meant that the CPU temps are tough to measure in gaming sessions because its worload its not constant like in CPU specific tasks, thats why it fluctuates and I don't have a more specific measure for the CPU temps.

But the room temp is fairly constant at 30C and the CPU got around 62 to 65C on its warmest readings. During most of the gaming sessions, it was bellow 59C.

 

Guys, I have the latest Control Center version 5.0000.0.35 and I have an annoying problem with it... quite frequently it forgets the level of brightness that I've set ( i tend to keep it pretty low)... any solution or workaround or shall i try and downgrade to an older version?
@Phoenix, I've reinstalled my computer (W10 Pro) and I am using XTU version 6.0.2.8 also and I did not encountered any issues so far with fan control... sudden ramp up or anything strange. I've played mostly WoW but for many many hours in the past 2 days... everything set to max...
Also I've used various profiles in Control Center but I am not happy with the fan control... I did not manage to keep the fan to a low speed when playing old games that only manage to used the GPU around 30-50% and the generated heat is low... any hints are welcome... If I choose the silent profile the fans are very low but the GPU gets to 88 and then the fan ramps up a lot even if I've set the fan to ramp up to 60% when the GPU hits 60C
I would have liked to keep the fans constantly at 40% (maybe 50%) and do not let the GPU reach 70C... or ramp up a bit when it gets past 70C

Thank you guys !

 

But don't worry. After you undervolt the CPU, you'll be fine. This laptop has excellent coolling capabilities.

You must only worry with the high standard stock voltages, as they will get it very hot.

To make my CPU stable with the -150mv (both on ring and on processor), I had to turn off C states, but at 4.1ghz its drawing 47W during loads (measured on throttle stop).

That is less than a 6820hk which strugles to overclock to those clocks!

To help with my warm nights here, I'm using those cooler master laptop cooling desks. Its not the U3 because It wasn't available on the store here, but the small one with the 75cfm fan. I'm loving it even though its smaller the the Sky X9 hahah. It doesn't chage much CPU temps, but it helped a LOT with the GPU temps, in which now I can easily maintain my +175/+300 overclock on both GPUs (without voltage increase) during all the gaming session and getting them all the time below 81/85C (first card/slave card).

 

I am running 1.21v for a 4.5ghz overclock and I pull around twice as much power as you. This just proves the mobile power limits for those chips are stupid....Honestly, I feel like the stock voltage for core is fine but I believe the stock voltage for cache is one thats a bit messy here.

I think what worked for me before with XTU is that voltage control tied core and cache together, but TS never did that because its not designed for skylake.....

 

And how are your temps? Is your CPU with CLU? (mine don't have it, yet)

 

Is there a reason CLU is used only for CPU and not for GPU?

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Most people don't clu gpu's because they are changed more often and it doesn't seem to make as much of a different on gpu's as cpu's.

 

And depending on the heatsink material it might corrode it.

CLU was made for delidded CPUs, to be applied only between the chip and the IHS. It might corrode a wide sort of heatsinks depending on their material and alloys. CLU is 100% metal.

It can be applied elsewhere and improve cooling, but you must consider if it won't corrode the materials, or if it will, at what rate.

Also, its IS conductive, so, if you let a tiny portion of it touch any circuit it will short and give you lots of damage.

 

I've made up my mind that I will be picking up the 980m sli version of this but do you guys think it would be more wise to wait for pascal?

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I'd wait till whatever is after pascal.

 

Pick it up now and upgrade later. We have no idea for sure when Pascal will be readily available for the mobile market. Also we don't have a clue how it will fair. Safe bet to get guaranteed performance vs awaiting hypothetical performance!

 

Thank you this is exactly how I was feeling but really just wanted to hear someone else was thinking the same

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