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Just dont get a 980 then. You cant sell it.

 

Funny you mention this because I had the 980 and am getting the swap to 980m sli.

 

Your choice. 980 is fine but is just glorified mid end card.

 

I can't knock the performance of the 980. But based on all I have seen the sli is the overall better choice. Too many gaming benchmarks point towards sli. I was afraid of compatibility but it's not nearly as bad as I thought.

 

Thanks, but what about the Phoenix(and other DMs) in particular? Are their GPU heatsinks affected by CLU? I thought they all use copper.
EDIT: Does it help over non-conducting pastes for GPU?

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CLU is one of the best paste.

 

According to Mr. Fox, applying CLU on GPUs was a bad idea on the Alienware laptops due to the design of the heatsink but on the P870DM it is fine.

With that said though, I only applied CLU on the CPU as I don't overclock so I just left IC Diamond on my 980 GTX

 

With the right heatsink yes you can't beat liquid metal but it has the obvious risks.

 

Guys with 6700k's.

What sort of idle temps are you seeing?

My CPU is unclocked and my idle temps are circa 40C. I have tried reapplying CLU twice and it doesn't seem to be helping. During an extended stress test through XTU the CPU with thermal throttle and reach nearly 100C!

Please help, maybe Im not applying the CLU correctly?

 

What voltage and clocks are you using?

 

Standard on both accounts.

 

So one side of me says to make sure you set voltage at -150mV as that will bring down temps. Almost everyone does that for these and has success with lower temps. You still will be able to hold clocks.

The other side of me says that's still strange you are getting thermal throttling because on my Mythlogic machine it would max out at 90c during xtu stress test and never thermal throttle while on stock voltage. That's with the CPU running at 45x multipler too.

But regardless tweak that voltage and try again!

 

Will try that, thanks.

By tweaking the voltage with XTU, will that be applied on system start-up?

 

So I've found with the BIOS .04 that I do not like the fan controller under load. Thinking is just too loud. Then I clocked with XTU and the profile of @Phoenix -150 and everything is fine.

 

XTU will only reset settings if the laptop crashes otherwise you will be good. My XTU settings remain in tact and I have a profile saved. I do prefer throttle stop over XTU however.

 

I am finding I have to run XTU every time I reboot the machine, so that it applies the offset, is this correct?

Seriously tempted to delid and reapply a paste like thermal grizzly, something that requires a little less skill!

 

Probably using TS over XTU would be better..........

 

Overclocked my GPU by 100 MHz for the core and 100 MHz for memory, max temp was 74C during 3DMark11.

This is with all cores set to x42 and a -150mv offset for both the CPU and Cache (Cache ratio left at stock x41)

700 3DMark increase over stock speeds

GeForce GTX 980 (361.91) OC 100-100 [W10]

 

Hey dude I see you are using a newer Nvidia driver?? Is that officially the new stable driver to go with? I was using 359.00.


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that's the latest one bro, you need to check the drivers mirrors thread, all drivers that are there have been tested:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-p870dm-dm-g-drivers-mirror.786094/

 

The only reason I ask is the latest isn't always the greatest! But if that is then score! Still have to wait until March 4th for my machine to come back but at least i know!


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yes very true, tested them all since 354.35 and finally we have a stable driver. Not only me, but even other users on every forum I visit have reported success with this 361.91 driver

 

Feels like Christmas day again Yay! Good stuff man. Would that be the same driver for sli?? I'm siked to get The Division and play it on my newely modified Myth. Cheers!!


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yes sir. Don't forget to use DDU to get rid of the old driver first, then after the reboot, when installing the new driver, choose custom, then select clean install

Also unselect GeForce Experience and install the latest one from here:

GeForce Experience

 

I currently have a P150SM-A with a 4910MQ OCed to 3.8 GHz and 980m. Upgraded the GPU recently but I am not very satisfied with performance. A lot of frame stuttering, the CPU seems to be bottlenecking and I'm not satisfied with the performance. Would getting a 6700K with the 980 see much of a jump? Are people happy with performance from similar specs? Just wondering about if it's worth the $3k last and if it will last me better / longer than sticking with M series GPUs or if I should just suck it up and go back to desktops and sacrifice convenience.

 

It would depend on what you're stuttering from. What throttling is in place for the old Optimus system, ect.

 

With a single desktop 980 GTX in my Eurocom Sky X9, it can barely keep up 60 FPS in the latest games so a single 980M definitely would suffer in the new titles at max settings.

Try lowering the graphics settings or upgrade to a Eurocom Sky X9 (AKA P870DM-G)

 

I have a P9870DM-G (just the stock Clevo with no Prema Bios or any modding whatsoever, although I might fiddle with Throttlestop next week) and I've been playing SW: Battlefront, Diablo 3 and World of Warcraft all weekend long at Ultra/Maxed settings for all three games.

On the plug, all three games run at 75 fps with G-Synch enabled. I've have no issues whatsoever. I'm also using the latest Nvidia driver. On the battery, they cap at 30FPS, but that's because of the power saver feature, which can be disabled.

Temps for both the CPU and GPU hang around 60C when the games are running and the crazy fun stuff is going on (Walker Assault in Battlefront is my favorite). The highest peak temp I've seen was 75C, which was for the CPU, but once the fans kicked in, it leveled out at 60C. The GPU was around 60 pretty much constantly. I don't feel any abnormal heat through the keyboard or palm rest sections. And the fans are not loud at all.

I have the 6700K with a single GTX 980 8GB desktop edition.

I'm never going back to desktops lol. At least not for the forseeable future. Evenually I'll probably hit agame that makes me lower settings, but right now it's Ultra everything at 75mhz/75fps with G-synch!

I'm going to install Witcher 3 next and get back into my campaign. But that game is HUGE so I gotta wait a while to install that sucker.

IMO - this is the best gaming laptop on the market. The only way to get more power would be a 980M SLI setup, but I I certainly don't need it.

Just my 2 cents! If you are a tinkerer type and like to OC a lot and fiddle with the BIOS, then get one with a Prema Bios, via these resellers: https://biosmods.wordpress.com/partner/

A stock Clevo is fine with me though. I got mine from Prostar, through Amazon.com.

 

Yeah I need to look into that.

Ah, I guess that's expected, though it does fuel my paranoia to pump that much money into another system when even with upgrades it's still the same 330W PSU and cooling and not enough for the most demanding games, might be money more well spent on a mATX build instead.

you've basically summed up my feelings in a nutshell. I guess I'm trying to think and decide if the convenience of a laptop with desktop CPU and hardware is enough for what I need for the next 2-3 years as the 980m is disappointing in terms of OPTIMUS and compatibility. I feel like it's a convenience cost as a mATX offers so many options to upgrade but then a host of issues with my busy lifestyle, more often than not involving travel.

 

Yeah I need to look into that.

Ah, I guess that's expected, though it does fuel my paranoia to pump that much money into another system when even with upgrades it's still the same 330W PSU and cooling and not enough for the most demanding games, might be money more well spent on a mATX build instead, which is impossible to carry around, more likely to get damaged when traveling, etc.

 

The Eurocom Sky X9E offers 660W PSU(2*330w), unlocked bios and better thermal performance.
http://www.eurocom.com/ec/configure(2,347,0)ec

EDIT: shoutout to @Prema @Mr. Fox and Eurocom for supporting them.
God I'm jealous of North Americans right now, wish AZOM systems had the funds to offer Eurocom's Portfolio in India

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At least with that model, with the MXM cards and options for a desktop 980 or SLI mobile cards, you would have some options to upgrade in the future. You aren't completely locked down in that regards.

 

I know this is a funny question and I have asked this before, will the Tesla M6 work in this beast?

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Yes, but being someone who threw down $2k for my P150SM-A from Xotic not too long ago, the upgrade path is still a bit bottlenecking, so I'm just trying to be a bit cautious before I give you (or someone else) another $2500-$3000

 

Any guides on here for de-lidding a 6700k, is it recommended?

Read about the temp decrease in doing so and really want to give it a go.

 

Look up the razor blade methods. Because of a thinner pcb, some have issues with the hammer/vice methods. There is the delid mate you could buy also.

 

I tried ordering the Delid D Mate but after placing the order, it said the payment method which I chose (PayPal) is not valid for the address I entered. I entered a freight forwarders address since I live in Dubai and they only ship to Europe. any idea where else can it be bought? Preferable shipping to United Arab Emirates or USA or UK

 

Oh, I completely get that it's not a cheap investment. I'd maybe price out the desktop system you are looking at getting. You'd still at least have your P150 for when you are traveling, then the desktop at home. Maybe it just comes down to a dollar amount? There are good sides to wanting a desktop and laptop, as well as wanting a 9870 as your only system. But if I can help with anything feel free to reach out to me directly.

 

awesome job man! did you use anything to hold the lid back on the cpu after, or just the liquid ultra and the heatsink to hold it in place?

 

Just the normal clamping mechanism. That's all it took. That way if I ever need to repaste the die I can just lift it off with no effort.

 

Would you consider delidding pointless unless CLU is used?

 

Removing the glue that holds the lid on does make it sit closer to the core.

 

awesome thanks. i'm waiting for this beast and that's what i'm about to do with it ^^

 

CLU is pretty much made for delidding and not for heatsink (in most cases).

As for how to delid and its difficulty? It was pretty easy for this chip compared to others... I just wedged a new cheap razer from OSH and started from the corners and pushed each side in until the corners gave away. Then I move to the next corner and repeat until you no longer feel the resistance of the sealant under the IHS from the corners. Then you start working on the edges of the IHS. No real cutting here, just a lot of pushing and patience.

EDIT: In case you want to see my method and the end-result.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...enix-has-arisen.781814/page-179#post-10155311

Do remember, you gotta lay that razer flat against the chip, or you'll just cry.

 

Hi all,

I'm a complete noob to this forum, but I'm looking to purchase a clevo P870DM, with a 6700k and a gtx980 and I have a couple of questions and this looks like the place to get answers. I am looking at the mythlogic model as it comes with the prema BIOS.

So firstly, in your experiences when overclocking, have you required a second power adapter?

Secondly, how well does the 6700k overclock without delidding it. I don't want void the warranty if I don't have to.

Thanks

 

The Eurocom Sky X9 comes with the Prema BIOS as well. Mythlogic's customer service sucks and they need a very long time to bulid/ship the system to you but it's up to you.

As for overclocking, it varies from one person to the other. Like wiht my 6700K, even if I bump down the voltage by -150mV, the idle temps are around 35-39C but once I stress bench it, it reaches 95-100C that's with a 4.2 GHz on all 4 cores. I wouldn't date to go higher personally. Delidding seems like a must for unlocking the true potential of this CPU overclocking capabilities.

 

Over clocking is kind of an art and no two chips will be exactly the same per say. I do not de-lid and I was able to game to my heart's content on 45x multipler with temps in the 60s-low 70s.

I have a Mythlogic machine so if you have any questions hit me up. And welcome!!

 

is that a 45x4 multiplier or 45 on 1 core?

what are your BIOS settings? Voltage (static or adaptive) voltage offset? IA current limits? Power? etc....

can you post screenshots of your BIOS screens?

 

Remember I'm waiting to get my machine back going from single 980 to 980m sli with no raid setup. Yes it's on all 4 cores at 45x and I was using voltage offset of -50mV. Sat and tweaked it with Mythlogic and a couple forum members.

When I get it back however sure I'll let you know my settings dude!

 

man how are you surviving so long without your machine?

When will they send it back to j00?