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    *** Official Clevo P870DM/Sager NP9870-G Owner's Lounge - Phoenix has arisen! ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by NordicRaven, Sep 22, 2015.

  1. Spartan@HIDevolution

    Spartan@HIDevolution Company Representative

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    Unfortunately I sold my P870DM-G which had 980M SLI and got the same system but with a desktop class 980 GTX

    But as a safe overclock, I set +100 MHz for Core and +100 MHz for memory and the temps are perfectly fine

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    Good job! I knew you could do it. :vbthumbsup:
     
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    if it wasn't for your advice and tips, I would've never dared to. I did everything like you told me, even when putting back the CPU without silicon glue, I held it in place and locked it with the latch, went perfect :)
    I kinda bent the PCB a bit like it's not perfectly flat now due to me pushing upwards on the IHS with the blade, I was terrified that after all this work and patience and carefully applying almost a tube and a half of LCU, that I would turn on the machine with a dead CPU, but luckily it worked!

    Thanks a lot Doctor Fox
     
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    Pardon my ignorance you said you sold your P870DM-G that had sli and got another one with a cpu gpu.. but not another P870DM-G you mean the Sky? or is the sky the same as P870DM-G but eurocom has a different name like mythlogic calls it Phobos?
     
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    exactly, Mythlogic call the P870DM-G Phobos, Eurocom calls it the Sky X9 and X9E (X9E is the same but has Liquid Ultra from the factory along with the Prema BIOS and Prema VBIOS for the GPU), Origin PC calls it the EON17-SLX.

    Clevo is the ODM (original design manufacturer) who sells this laptop to many other resellers, then they either sell it with the original name P870DM or use a new fancy name to differentiate them from the crowd.

    it's the same exact system, same chassis, etc.
     
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    @Mr. Fox

    Tomorrow I will try to copy your settings for the 4.7 GHz overclock and see what happens. Since I now have CLU and a delidded CPU, I hope I can reach you and your scores :D

    PS: I ordered a new tube of IC Diamond to repaste the GPU as I saw from the previous IC Diamond application by Eurocom and how crappy it was, I am sure I will find the same surprise under the GPU so I wanna make it perfect
     
  7. Prema

    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    No worries that's my BIOS...I am just customizing everything according to the boutique brand. :)
     
  8. Terrablade

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    Thanks for the reply.. Is the Vbios for the gpu's also Prema?
     
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    @Phoenix Copy that. Do you know if I have to have both PSU'S connected to do the GPU upgrade or is it safe to do it wth just 1?
     
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    As I said earlier, if you are not doing any extreme overclock, you could do with just one.
     
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    Run GPU-Z, then take a screenshot, it will then show us your VBIOS version which we can then be able to determine if it's running the stock nVIDIA VBIOS or the Prema VBIOS
     
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    That is the stock VBIOS, reach out to @Prema to see of he can hool you up with the latest Prema VBIOS for the 980M.

    Before flashing remember to disable you AntiVirus and disable the GPUs from device manager then reboot and re-enable them again
     
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    @Prema can you hook this fella out with the 980m's Vbios pretty please?
     
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    Get a delidmate. Its a machine that does it for you.
     
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    Even when delidded your temperature is still that bad? Whats the delta you see between non delidded and delidded? You live in a furnace man!
    Whats your ambient?
    Your temperature even delided is around mine with only IC diamond and no deliding.

    Also for overclocking, I noticed lowering the ring ratio greatly improve stability at lower voltages. Ring ratio doesnt give much performance benefits anyways.
     
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    ambient room temp is 29C

    Lowering the Ring Ratio back to stock with a negative offset of -120 to -140mV didn't improve things.

    I guess I just have a sucsky CPU.

    When I have money, I will buy one of them silicon lottery 6700Ks that can do 5 GHz and be done with this joke! I've wasted too much time trying to fine tune it and did everything I could, repaste the CLU, Delid, you name it
     
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    I am running my 6700k @ 4.5 with -75mv.
    I'd love to over-clock it more but due to current limit (123A with stock bios for p750dm), I can't.
    Just waiting for godly prema to release his bios.

    For 6700k, you dont have to change the voltage of core and ring separately.

    What is your clock now and the voltage offset? What thermal compound are you using (inside and outside heatspreader)?
     
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    when you say you are running 4.5 GHz. is that on 1 core or all cores?

    I have Liquid Ultra inside and outside the heatspreader, idle temps went down big time but the moment I start stress testing the CPU, the temps go sky high

    Mind you, I never set the fans on full blast, I just put them on Auto and let them spin automatically according to the temps as I wouldn't wanna run my computer at full blast at all times
     
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    I am running All core, 4.5*4.


    And I use "overclocked" fan table using clevo stock hotkey 5.0.5.24.

    If you are using liquid ultra in and out, I am pretty sure you can go higher by just changing the fan table to "overclocked". The Auto fan table really sucks, doesn't it?
    But it's your choice of course.
     
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    you're right, now I set the core offset to -100mV and this time I set the fans on full blast, temps reached a maximum of 93C and an average of 85C, thank you so much for solving this great riddle of my sucky overclocker :)
     
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    dubai is a desert lol
     
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    48C temperature during summer, everything is air conditioner here even bus stops
     
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    admittedly Dubai is a pretty awesome place, I just don't think I could ever get down with the whole Muslim law thing.
     
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    Way too hot... very close to the same temperatures as Phoenix only more humid in Dubai being coastal. But, at least Dubai bus stops are air conditioned. That's definitely a plus. Thankfully, I don't have to use public transportation for any reason so I go straight from my air conditioned car to my air conditioned house and never have to pause outside long enough to be agitated by the hot weather. I spend less than an hour per day outside most of the year. There are about 20 days out of the year that the temperatures are actually somewhat nice in the coolest part of winter. The rest of the time outdoor life is somewhere between only tolerable and totally miserable. Given a choice, I'd live in a cold place like Fairbanks, Anchorage, Prince George or Edmonton. No need to use AC for benching. But, the rest of the family likes being warm... so daddy/grandpa, being such a nice guy, let's them have their way.
     
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    Have you set the 42x Clock at the CPU settings (not the overclocking one) on the BIOS setting?
     
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    All i did was disabled the overclocking feature and then pressed f3 to restore the default options... but i get those results
     
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    If you restored the default settings, its not the BIOS, might be just the turbo boost which is 4.2ghz by default, or maybe, some remanescent setting from XTU, which runs otside the BIOS?
     
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    i havent touched XTU.. so it should be the turbo boost then?
     
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    Hmmm, go back to the BIOS, change it to x41 or x40, on both overclocking tab and the CPU tab (and turn overclocking on). Then check it again.
     
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    and if it changes what should I do?
     
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    It should change. It should be exactly like you set. If it does that, everything is fine and you don't need to worry. Leave it at default again, or set it to your preferences and stay relaxed as it is working as it should.

    Of course, the gurus here will give you a better opinion if it happens to me to be wrong =)
     
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    I went default because on default i could encode movies at 25fps and when i OC'd to 4.2 it went down to 18fps so someething there if fishy :/
     
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    Hmm, check to see your RAID settings. The laptop uses software raid which takes up CPU resources. You should disable RAID for maximum performance.
     
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    It is because of any instability. Your overclock wasn't stable at 4.2ghzm
     
  39. Terrablade

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    in the bios section?
     
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    yes
     
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    Instability would lead to a crash, more likely the extra heat caused it to thermal throttle since video encoding is very power hungry.
     
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    I thought of it because on Prime95, when you're unstable, sometimes it don't crash at all, instead it start to miss some calculations. It happened on my 3930k a lot untill I found a stable voltage. On the 6700k I hadn't tested yet.

    But as soon as I have some time I don't spend gaming I'll try that to check the stability of my 4.3ghz on my Sky X9.
     
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    That tends to happen less often, if the CPU is throwing out rubbish data then a crash really is only a matter of time.
     
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    Sure! But still could be the case and it just hadn't crashed yet.
    But the Raid config sounds more acurate anyway.

    BTW, if you turn raid on or off on the OS drive, don't you have to re-install the OS?
     
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    Unless you use a specific tool to migrate it then yes.
     
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    Then it probably isn't the raid config, as @Terrablade just returned the BIOS do default settings and it returned to the speeds he was used to. Right? He didn't re-installed or migrated anything. Or did he?

    Oh and I love your profile picture! It looks like to me it is a british lordish one eyed evil virus who wears a fancy hat.
     
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    i just returned Bios to default that was all.
     
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    Raid setup shouldn't have that big impact with only 2 bin overclock. Something else must be the culprit.
     
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    ^Yup most likely. Rendering a video for an hour+, your cpu will be 100% the whole time, temps will continue to gradually rise if the cooling can't keep temps low enough then boom thermal throttling.

    Also, sounds like RAID is still having issues on this machine?
     
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    Not with the latest Prema BIOS from Eurocom, Prema has fixed it after I have tested over 30 diff. BIOS revisions to get it right ;)
     
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