*** Official Clevo P870DM/Sager NP9870-G Owner's Lounge - Phoenix has arisen! ***

But if that was the case, shouldn't it be worse with the BIOS on default settings? with the stock voltages the throttling would be much more agressive.

It is not the raid also, as he didnt had raid on anytime.

So if it works best with the BIOS stock, I still can only think that it wasn't stable at 4.2. It just hadn't crashed, yet...

 

Glad I got rid of my Raid to be honest. I had issues with it like 10 years ago and it left a bad taste in my mouth. I only tried it again because it's been so long and figured it would be great. Then I had issues with it (even though the BIOS is fixed now).

Just a sign for me to stay away from them!

 

Raid is something I only tried in World of Warcraft. And I don't play that for about 5 years now...

 

I don't think any game will load any different on a single 950 pro vs 2 in Raid. Single 950 pro is already fast.

 

That was actually a joke (I'm a terrible joker in portuguese, wonder in english).

I never used raid in my systems. I meant the raid on the dungeons on wow...

 

Ohhhh well that make's sense from a WoW player... Didn't read it that way!

 

Don't worry. I thought it was funny

 

Hauauahahhaa
Thank you! ♡

 

I have been a fan of RAID0 for years (since the M17xR2 days) and still use it on my Panther and Alienwares without any issues. I think the wildcard here is the involvement of PCIe, M.2 and NVMe rather than tried and true SATA. It's all new tech, so some growing pains should be expected while they work out all of the kinks. I do remember having trouble years ago with the XPS M1730 using RAID0, and that was caused by a buggy drive controller.

As technology is dumbing down in many respects with all of the crippled BGA crap being slopped out in a small form factor that barely has any space in the chassis, I think there are going to be some more things we appreciate that start going bye-bye in order to accommodate the lowest common denominators in laptop gamer-boy world. RAID0 might end up being one of those things that the decision-makers up in the ivory OEM towers arbitrarily decide that nobody needs any more.

That being said, one of the primary reasons I have always loved RAID0 is having a massive OS and storage volume and never running out of drive space. I always hated having part of my games on one drive and part on another, and having a big RAID0 volume let me put them all in one place. With 1TB and 2TB SSDs and 2TB HDDs becoming more common there is less of a compelling reason to use it for that purpose.

 

I love RAID.. As @Mr. Fox inhavr been using it for years. People swear you can't tell but I can. Just from the basic snappiness of the machine to the VM's I run with Micosoft Exchange and SQL server stuff to very large Adobe Lightroom database...

 

I don't see pci-e raid dying due to its use in enterprise environments and since the development is already done it seems like they may as well.

 

Just ordered a P870DM-G. I'm a bit nerveous, my main concern is the "wobbliness" of the screen. Does it "vibrates" while typing? Are the hinge solid?

 

http://prntscr.com/a9nhe0 anyone has any idea why one says 41 and the other 40?

 

Probably the most annoying part of the laptop in my opinion. I hate how the screen feels. Way too much flexibility. But I will say if you don't touch it like at all... It will become an after thought. Not gonna shake while typing.

 

Most annoying thing is the 5 year old girly hands made for keyboard. after 7 years of using a real 17 inch keyboard this is a pain in the butt.... for every 10 words i try to write i have to fox 9 and a half and then press control instead of shift or caps lock instead of letter a, and so on and so forth... Yes took me like 3 minutes to write this 2 lines. Grrrrr

 

fox/fix theres an example :/

 

yeah me and you had a discussion about this and I told you even after 4 months, I still make mistake in every sentence literally. But there is nothing better out there in terms of performance so I have to use this piece of crap keyboard.

 

3DMark GeForce GTX 980 [Desktop Class] (361.91) CPU 4.4 GHz-GPU OC Core 100-Mem 100 [W10]

 

@Mr. Fox @GTVEVO @ssj92

I just ordered a 4.8 GHz 6700K Silicon Lottery CPU (already delidded) from HIDevolution as the current one I have can barely hit 4.4 GHz stable

I must defeat Mr. Fox's benches

 

I hope it goes well , I will look out for you on that leader board.

Sent from my LG-H901 using Tapatalk

 

Hah, I hope you are prepared for a challenge, Mr. Fox is no easy target it's a bench off

 

I'll see you guys in the 4.8Ghz club soon.

Got my beast back:

 

Congrats bro. I will try to meet you guys there . 0.2ghz to go!

 

0.1Ghz for me

http://www.3dmark.com/3dm/10025059

 

Actually just took a typing test for a job interview today and I type around 100 wpm, ill see how the keyboard feels and my accuracy fares with it

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Did you delid? What voltage are you running it on?


Edit: I had enough of windows 10 after testing server 2016 on my VM for like 1 hour.

 

Have you had to use server 2012 through a remote connection? Pain in the rear end.

 

Nope, delided I should be able to do 4.8Ghz maybe even 4.9Ghz.

Don't remember the voltage it's been over a month since I've had this thing.

How's server 2016 compared to 10? Is it the same? It's taking awhile to release, I'd expect so,e decent changes from 10.

 

I refused to touch the normal version since I couldnt get my hand on a windows 10 enterprise LTSB copy yet. So far, I was running tech preview 3 server 2016 and I just didnt like all the UI changes and such. It feels overly cluttered if that makes any sense. I was running on it on a VM with no significant modifications though. I imagine I can make it work if I had to, but I kinda dont want to right now.

If I am using windows 10, it would be either LTSB or server 2016. The consumer version have way too much spying BS build in. Although I think data collection is automatically on for the tech preview. I am probably switching to server 2016 when the full version releases. I dont want to be a beta tester for MS.

I saw you made the change to 980 desktop too. Why is that?

 

@Phoenix can you buy it delided and with the liquid ultra on already or u have to do that yourself?

 

The GTX 980 is a higher quality card compared to 980M. I didn't like the fact that both my 980Ms died and I was seeing others having their 980Ms die on the forums as well. So I decided to go with a single GTX 980 for now until Pascal is released. So far I am happy with the results, it has just enough horsepower to play the two main games I play maxed out @ 4K.

I told myself no benching or anything for at least a week to make sure everything is running fine on this laptop. Haven't seen anything weird yet.

 

https://siliconlottery.com/collections/all

Not even a tiny bit itchy?

 

I'll admit, I did do a single 3dmark firestrike run, but that's it for now.

 

thanks dude

 

Just for those who are buying these CPUs, 1.424v vcore is very very high for a 6700k period. You may not want to run it 24/7 for various reasons.

 

no need to do anything, you add the processor to your cart, then you add the delid option on top of it, so you receive the CPU delidded and has Liquid Ultra between the IHS and the actual CPU die and gluled back with silicon as if it were brand new. Now when you receive it, all you need to do is apply Liquid Ultra or IC Diamond as if you were installing a normal CPU and you're done.

CPU = https://siliconlottery.com/products/6700k48g

Delid = https://siliconlottery.com/products/delid


Contact Details for that site:

Silicon Lottery
23501 Cinco Ranch Blvd Ste H120 #254
Katy, TX 77494

832-495-4505

[email protected]

 

thought so as well, especially no on air cooling, heck I'd be happy even if I hit 4.7 GHz with that CPU on a 1.3x voltage

 

I really want to use liquid pro/or ulra between cpu and heatsink but if I do, whole MOBO gets out of warranty in Korea.
It's their rule not to use it between heatsink and die/or IHS.

 

1.31-1.32v(VID of 1.26?v) gets me 4.6ghz stable here.

Edit: Make that 1.33v. Cine r15 just crashed right after I said that.... Murphy strikes again.

 

If 1.31~1.32 crashed by cinebench R15, I dont think 1.33v will be stable for 24/7 OC use.
I am pretty sure you will experience some blackout or BSOD.

 

1.31v works fine on games and everything else. Cinebench is pretty intense. As a matter of fact, 4.6ghz on 1.33v crashed again. My temperature is starting to look like crap, so I am gonna back off to 1.27v on 4.5ghz. It seems this chip doesnt scale well with voltage and most other skylake dont either.....

Skylake clock wall is real....

 

Cinebenc R15 is pretty intense. Yes but real world use is somewhat different from my OC experience.
I passed tens of times of cinebenc R15 but crashed with R11.5 and vise versa, and even if I passed both tens of times, laptop just crashed while real game use.

That's why now, to make myself clear that I am doing good stable OC, I always check linx 0.6.4avx 20 times. I do this "20 times" several nights by just letting it run and I sleep.
If it's okay for like 3-4 "20times"s, I use it with the voltage. And with this voltage, nothing made my laptop crash.

Edit : I passed 4.5 cinebenc R15 and R11.5 with -200mv but now using -75mv offset because of crashes.

 

Many games crash with high CPU overclocks. I can run Witcher 3 and Crysis 3 at 4.7GHz all day long, but those two examples are the exception. Most other games start behaving badly and become unstable above 4.5GHz. But, that's due to crappy game software coding and not an indication of having a crappy CPU or using wrong OC settings.

 

It is though, the CPU should be able to execute any valid code without issue.

 

THANK YOU TO ALL CONTRIBUTORS HERE! You all helped immensely as I was deciding on what to buy and from whom.
Y'all make choices easier (ok... Sometimes harder with all the info, but that's good too)...
That said, here we go!!! I've now "validated" my membership in this group by placing my order last night...
Here's my build... I wanted something with kick right out of the gate, yet with plenty of room for upscaling later. I also wanted to minimize the need to replace what I put in initially for a few years, and I think the only areas that will need to happen is the storage drive and the ram...
I also am in the process of moving, so ordered Comcast's 150Mbps, upgraded my modem to the SB6190 and got the ASUS RT-AC5300.
Here's my build:

NP9870-S Notebook

Components

- Tom Clancy\'s The Division for any Notebook purchase with GTX 970M or above GPUs.
- 17.3" Full HD IPS Matte Display with G-SYNC Technology (1920 x 1080)
- Guaranteed no dead or partially-lit pixels for first 30 days of purchasing
- Nvidia GeForce GTX 980 GPU with 8GB GDDR5 Video Memory [VR Ready]
- 6th Generation Intel® Core™ i7-6700K Processor ( 8MB Smart Cache, 4.0GHz)
- IC Diamond Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU
- Windows® 10 Home 64-Bit Edition Preinstalled
- Windows® 10 64-Bit Edition USB Recovery Media
- 16GB Dual Channel DDR4 SDRAM at 2133MHz - 2 X 8GB
- 512GB Samsung 950 Pro M.2 PCIe NVMe SSD - as an OS Drive (Primary Drive C)
- 1TB 7200rpm SATA2 Hard Drive
- Killer™ Dual Band Wireless-AC 1535 M.2 AC Wireless LAN + Bluetooth Module

I ordered from Sager directly, figuring the cash discount from others was nice, but would rather have the protection of the credit card company and prefer dealing with the "source" (no, not Clevo, lol)...

Also, Meaker has been quite helpful to so many hear, which I really take as a good sign of company responsiveness. I'll keep y'all appraised of how the experience goes overall, as you guys doing so helped me a ton!!!

Now the hard part... WAITING!!!

Any advice/input always appreciated, and anything I can help with, please let me know!!!

db

 

I would change from Home to Win 10 Pro. Remember you have to deal with this new Nazi Os from Micro$oft. The rest is a nice setup. You will love this monster.

 

@Barlaam

Understanding downgrade rights
https://www.microsoft.com/oem/en/licensing/sblicensing/Pages/downgrade_rights.aspx

"If you are a customer of a direct OEM, please contact your OEM for more information about downgrade rights"

The following OEM versions of Windows software are eligible for downgrade rights.

Windows 10
Windows 10 Pro includes
downgrade rights to:

• Windows 8.1 Pro
• Windows 7 Professional

 

Yup my desktop runs everything whether gaming or rendering @ 4.5Ghz 24/7 no issues.

My Sky X9 was fine at 4.5 even 4.7Ghz but I need to delid it to keep temps down

 

4.5GHz is never a problem for me either, but most games start getting flaky above 4.5GHz. I have found that those that can run 4.6 to 4.8GHz without causing Windows to become unstable are in the minority. Doesn't matter how good your settings are if the software or drivers are buggy. NVIDIA's drivers are worse than they ever have been and I have found that some versions cause BSOD with bugcheck codes normally only seen using incorrect CPU overclock settings, and the problems mysterious clear up when you go back to a GeForce driver that is not messed up. You cannot adjust overclock settings enough to correct sloppy software and driver coding. Fortunately for them, it doesn't make much difference for the people that are content with an an anemic CPU. Most games perform pretty much the same at 3.5GHz as they do with the CPU running 1.0GHz faster. That's especially true of the crappy console ports. There are a few games that take advantage of a powerful CPU, but not very many.

 

The same will happen if you play some games with an stable high OC on graphics. The graphics can be stable in everything of benchmarks and some games but not in every games you throw in.