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It depends upon the vdroop programmed or level used which alters the requested and actual affect under load. In my case those are correct values. This is also partly why the idle voltage is so much higher.

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could u answer my question please?

 

I believe you might find this named as VR in the prema bios. Do you need to change it, not necessary especially if you aren't passing 4.6ghz otherwise you are always under the required voltage with maximum stability. Does this answer your question?

 

It does thank you... Do you know if I need to change anything in RING if im trying 4.3 or 4.4? these cinebench scores are pitiful and the temps are horrendous... Im not getting it... Only thing im changing is in the processor area. setting core to 43 or 44 and changing adaptive to averride and setting betweehn 1.15 to 1.2 and nothing improves

 

well wait, kind of.. theres 3 places with VR settings once you enable them.. so you put the values on all 3 or?

 

My Lord... I put 1260 on the VR thats under Core/IA and i get this garbage

I think im destined to fail at this :/

 

Did you make sure to increase the power limits in the CPU configuration page? Make sure you CPU is actually running at 4.4Ghz during load and not just idle.

Something tells me it's not voltage but the power limit.

 

Not helping that guy anymore, he's on my ignore list

 

It depends on what you are adjusting and what part you wish to alter at the regulator, core or cache. You are getting into damaging territory so be aware as you are altering power delivery and allowance.

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Very kind of you...

 

Yup power limits were increases to 130000.... but as you state as soon as i start loading something hwinfo doesnt show it at 4.4 it drops

 

Yeah, higher vcore leds to slightly lower VID. I think I misunderstood your sentences....

 

If you set your voltages to adaptive, it will scale automatically and will be easier to maintain it low, relatively to your frequency.

So, set it to adaptive, and set it to -150 on both ring and CPU, and on that, start with the multiplier x40, and start increasing untill a problem happens (either temps gets too high, or it becomes unstable, what happens first) then go back to the previous step that had everything ok.

If you do this while not on adaptive, the procedure would be different. On Skylake, as it scales voltages in its own way, its harder to do it with a fixed voltage (because it keeps scaling it nevertheless, and also the core clock speed, when not on adaptive). So, try it the easy way first.

 

Restore BIOS defaults then...

In the BIOS change:

Overclocking Feature: [Enabled]
IMON Scaling Support: [Disabled]
Vboost Enable: [Disabled]
RSR: [Disabled]

Turbo Power Max (mW): 250000
Turbo Time Window (s): [1]
Turbo Short Power Max (mW): 250000
1-Core Ratio Limit Overide: 44
2-Core Ratio Limit Overide: 44
3-Core Ratio Limit Overide: 44
4-Core Ratio Limit Overide: 44
Platform Power Limit 1 (mW): 250000
Power Limit 1 Time Window (s): [1]
Platform Power Limit 2 (mW): 250000
CPU C states: [Disabled]


Ring:
Ring Max OC Ratio: 44
Ring Voltage Mode: [Adaptive]
Ring Extra Turbo Voltage: 1150
Ring Voltage Offset: 0
Offset Prefix: [+]

Processor:
Core Max OC Ratio: 44
Core Voltage Mode: [Override]
Core Voltage Override: 1150
Core Extra Turbo Voltage: 1225
Core Voltage Offset: 0
Offset Prefix: [+]
Core PLL Voltage Offset: 0

CPU VR Settings:
PMON Slope: 0
PMON Offset: 0
PSYS PMax Current: 2000

Ring VR Domain:
VR Config Enable: [Enabled]
VR Current Limit: 1400

Core/IA VR Domain:
VR Config Enable: [Enabled]
VR Current Limit: 1400

System Agent VR Domain:
VR Config Enable: [Enabled]
VR Current Limit: 1400

If I didn't mention something then it stays on the default setting.

 

More red than the red sox's

 

Hello ahanganu,

This should provide some assistance http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...p870dm-g-from-fhd-to-4k-picture-guide.787821/

 

Lower:

Core Voltage Override: 1150
Core Extra Turbo Voltage: 1225

to

Core Voltage Override: 1125
Core Extra Turbo Voltage: 1175

But ultimately your CPU is overheating, you need to play around with voltages. Make sure fan speed is set to 100%.

 

when I tried changing the IMON offset from 0 ot 1400, it says invalid input range, are you sure it's not the VR Current limit that needs to be changed?

 

Dude, look at your voltage....

You are at 1.44V!!!!!!!! for 4.4ghz!! I seriously recommend you turn it down ASAP. You are having temperatures troubles.

 

PS: I just tried those settings and reached 99C within seconds of running AIDA64 and throttled down to 3.9 GHz

 

Yes, those are high voltages.... whats your voltage in hwinfo64 @Phoenix?

 

You guys are pretty lucky you have the laptop guards in place, because it looks like some would have burnt up a fully unlocked version pretty quick....

 

I said many times that I can't understand what you're doing. You're not helping us.

I tell you to try somethings you reply something completely different. I admit I completely understand @Phoenix decision, and mind you, he is one the most respected and helpful members of this community.

It is becoming very hard and stressful to try to help you.

I don't know what you're doing, what have you tried, what you have done while mixing or not other people suggestions.

What I do know is that the feedback you're providing of what you're doing had so far never reflecting the step by step instructions many of us tried to provide you.

It seems like you're trying to reach a high clock completely skiping the steps to get there, as if it were a cake recipe. If it WERE a cake recipe, every computer would have come overclocked from factory and they would profit from marketing it. But they don't because it is so complicated as to not justify these profits. And that's why not everyone does that. And if not properly done it can and will damage your system.

I warned you once and I will say it again in a good heart: you will end up damaging your CPU like that, and maybe the motherboard or other components of your system.

 

Yes VR Current Limit, I fixed it thanks.

That's idle voltage, it's lower on load, but that person will have to fine tune voltages on their own. Every chip is different and those settings are not recommended for 24/7, they were some old bench settings I had saved for 4.4Ghz.

Phoenix, you should stay at your settings for 4.4Ghz that were already working. I wanted to make sure the other person's performance was fine, which it was. However, unless you keep temps under control, those settings are not recommended for 24/7. The other person needs to fine tune their voltages. Those were some old settings I had wrote down for full on 4.4Ghz benching. I kept my CPU @ 56C max during that bench with those settings and I wasn't even delided.

 

1.312, gonna lower that now, need to work more on these settings trying to tame this crappy CPU until my Silicon Lottery one arrives

 

I understand and i told you i did your method and was still the same... started from 40 all the way to 43 and nothing.. it was always the same. Cinebench didnt even reached 10. As soon as i started encoding, poof high temps... I told you this already. I have to try all suggestions.

 

So tell me please, what happened from each increase in the multipliers?
at what multiplier the temperature raised?
What multiplier did it became unstable?
what were the voltage readings in each multipliers?

What were the other power settings besides the -150mv on CPU and Ring?
C states were enabled?

 

I would imagine 1.312v be ok with an delidded CLU based CPU.

Still pretty high on a IC diamond based un delidded CPU.... I think he should start with 4.2ghz and go from there....

Make sure you dont OC the ring, it not really worth it and its an extra point of instability in testing.....

I had a similar problem where raising the core ratio affected the cache ratio which forced the higher cache voltage which happens to be synced to the core voltage and it ignored all voltage controls.

 

I decreased the VR current limit everywhere from 640 to 480, temps are better now, let me change the adaptive voltage from -100mV to -110mV. Things starting to look good

 

As long as the temps are good, I would just call it a day instead of trying to find the lowest possible voltage. You never know what instruction set may crash it on a voltage thats stable for everything else....

 

Yes that's why I told him to play with voltages.

I don't know if he is even using 100% fan profile or anything but I personally always make sure temps are low.

Honestly 4.2Ghz on all cores should be good enough and doable. It's probably best for now.

 

Yeah, honestly, its better for himself to play with it and figure out. Every CPU is different and he should really understand what he is doing instead of following recipes.

 

Yes when i did your method only thing i changed was the offset in core and ring, the 200000 on the power limits and turbo at 42 temps where ok when doing cinebench but it didnt even go past 7.8 as soon as I started an encoding temps raised to the 93's, so i did not have anywhere to go from there.

 

Ok. First of all, go back to stock and run the exact same thing. Whats your temp and voltage? We need a baseline first.

 

Yes let us see everything at stock, voltages, temps and the cinebench score.

 

I'm having a hard time figuring this power limit, if I set it to 400, the CPU throttles to 3.5 GHz, if I set it to 480 for IA/CPU/ring/system agent, it doesn't throttle

do power limits have any effect on temps or is it just the CPU voltage that is directly related to temps? Would lowering the Turbo Power Max from 130000 to 80000 decrease temps as well?

 

It probably shouldnt matter until it start throttling. Which would lead to lower temperature.

P=VI. So to change your power consumption, you need to change your voltage or current. And thats what those limits do.....

 

You want me to go stock and run cinebench and then do an encoding and show you the results on temp and volts?

 

Just tried x44 with -100mv. didn't even tried another voltages and it worked pretty well for me.

I don't know the tmeps for heavier taskas like baking lightmaps though... I'll give it a try.

(Ps.: No CLU and no delid)

 

That looks about right.


and @Terrablade yes. Just cinebench r15 is enough.

 

If you do an encoding with that setup your temps will go to the moon. thats whats happening to me... it reads fine with cinebench until i do an encoding :/

 

I'm using the exact same settings @Phoenix sugetsed me with his screenshots a while back, but with adaptive at -100 instead of -150mv. On -150 it booted, but was unstable during a lightmap bake trial. Now I'm baking at -100 just to test stability... I may Try prime95 but Prime WILL reach 99C and termal throttle the thing

 

I dont use Prime 95, way too unrealistic.

 

I'm baking a lightmap as we speak right now.
it uses 100% of all the CPU cores and threads...

 

I am more concerned about voltage than temperature.

 

AIDA64 System Stability test for 5 mins is the best IMHO

 

Start here and study till your hearts content.
Click on a score marks then click on XTU settings for a specific mhz rating. Then try to set yours just like it. If you throttle, then you will need to have the bios ec update installed.

This is the last page. You can work your way backward to get an idea of where you should be and where you can be.
http://hwbot.org/benchmark/xtu/rank...-9&cores=4#rankBy=teams#start=200#interval=20

 

Me neither. I don't use it to check temps, just stability untill it thermal throttles.
(although I did on the 3930k, but it have liquid cooling)

 

My temperatures are geting around 96C during a lightmap baking.

I will check how it gets during some gaming and maybe get it back to 4.3ghz which were just perfect. Its not termal throtling though. yet.
Or I will get it back to 4.3, or test other voltages, like trying -125mv or -140 and check for stability.

It seems I'll have a good sillicon after I delid! =D

 

Heres stock results