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    *** Official Clevo P870DM/Sager NP9870-G Owner's Lounge - Phoenix has arisen! ***

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by NordicRaven, Sep 22, 2015.

  1. tgipier

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    Whats with the 1.44v idle voltage? Oh well.... Whats the load Voltage? Is it that 1.14v thing?
     
  2. Sebastiao Liparizi Neto

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    Should I let the ring adaptive voltage equal the core, or I can leave it at -150 while the core is different? (now is -100 both, but the ring is at stock multiplier x0)
     
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    You said go stock and I did. thats what it shows... I did exactly that, loaded Bios default, ran hwinfo ran cinebench and those are the results.
     
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    I believe ring is coupled with core.(voltage)
     
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    @ssj92 @Sebastiao Liparizi Neto

    I tamed this crappy CPU finally! 4.4 GHz on all cores, -110mV for CPU (adaptive) and -150mV for CPU Cache (Adaptive), 115000 Turbo Power Max, 480 Power Limit for IA/Core, Ring, System Agent, 180000 Power Limit for CPU Power Limit 1,2, 3, 4

    2016-03-04_085918.png
     
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    Keep the ring at default speed, if overclocked, it will increase your temps even more, thus, set its voltage to adaptive -150mV and set CPU adaptive voltage to -115mV then follow the settings I did above
     
  7. tgipier

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    Ok, I am not sure then. Because your result is weird. Can you remember what clock speed and voltage is it running at when you are stressing all cores 100%?

    A default 6700k runs at 4.2ghz on single core turbo and when all core are loaded it runs on 4.0ghz. In your case, I am seeing all core at 4.2ghz.

    Your temperature looks ok though.
     
  8. Sebastiao Liparizi Neto

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    Great!

    I'll use that as reference!!!
    -110 and -150!

    BTW, it don't look like as a crappy sillicon at all! Why it is so bad?
     
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    All cores are @ 4.4 GHz bro, check the HWiNFO image again
     
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    because, it over heats like hell even though it's delidded.

    Wait till the next 2 weeks and we'll see how that Silicon Lottery does and if it is worth it at all. I will be posting this CPU for sale then
     
  11. tgipier

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    erhmm, @Phoenix, I was quoting terrablade's pic. Not yours.

    Congrats though. Canceling that SL order lol?
     
  12. Sebastiao Liparizi Neto

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    Oh! I forgot its delided! My bad...
     
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    Oh I don't see his posts coz he's on my ignore list.

    Not canceling the Silicon Lottery order! I am hungry for more speed! I want to achieve a 4.7 GHz or 4.8 GHz overclock and beat Mr. Fox then my dream will come true :D
     
  14. Sebastiao Liparizi Neto

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    UnityLightmap.png

    Baking lightmaps on Unity takes so much resources (HIGH to unlimited CPU affinity), that while 100% CPU load, my BROWSER sometimes gets slow and presents micro freezes!

    So I'm pretty sure it is a very good example of real life case of HEAVY CPU usage.

    These are my temps during the baking. Still hadn't applied your sugestion @Phoenix. But I will in a few minutes!
     
  15. Terrablade

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    this is stressing all cores 100% and the clock and voltage result [​IMG]
     
  16. tgipier

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    You are a game dev right? Cool!
     
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    looks very good brah, lower the other stuff I mentioned as well not just the voltage, (current limits, turbo power max, etc)
     
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    Hmmm, it looks like your clocks are throttling but your temperature is fine. Current throttling?
    Your stock VID is a bit high too....


    Alright, use other's power limit settings but leave voltages on stock. Run the same test again.
     
  19. Sebastiao Liparizi Neto

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    Yes! We're developing a MOBA with Air Combat (dogfight) gameplay!

    @Phoenix Will try them all right now.
     
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    Turbo Power Max should be a minimum of 115000, that worked for my 4.4 GHz overclock along with VR Current limit to 480 for all fields (IA/Core, Ring, System Agent)
     
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    Good luck! I miss the days of me playing ace of combat on console....
     
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    I think I just max it out for mine. I do temperature control with voltages. I dont like having more than one variable affecting temp/power/etc. It adds an extra layer of complexity in troubleshooting things.
    I try my best to keep things simple.
     
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    That's what I used to think, but today I discovered that if you minimize these settings like Turbo Power Max and VR Current limits, it helps a bit with the temp control even though Mr. Fox previously told me it doesn't hurt to have more the CPU will only use what it needs. It made sense what he said but with today's testing, this is how I was able to tame this garbage CPU
     
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    hmmm, well, whatever works! :) You have a known working configuration. Why it works? doesnt matter. Just keep it and dont change it if everything is working(temp,clock,etc)
     
  25. Sebastiao Liparizi Neto

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    Where is the IA/Core Ring power limit?

    Nevermind. Found it!
     
  26. Terrablade

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    -110mV for CPU (adaptive) and -100mV for Ring (Adaptive), 115000 Turbo Power Max, 640 Power Limit for IA/Core, Ring, System Agent, 180000 Power Limit for CPU Power Limit 1,2, 3, 4
    on 4.3 throws this [​IMG]
     
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    This looks pretty good actually!

    Try the same with -140mv on ring and core. For 4.3 it should be fine.
     
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    It wasnt -110 it was -100 on both.. ill try that -140 on both. leave ring oc stock right?
     
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    See what I mean. as soon as i star an encoding all hell breaks lose.... and look at that garbage. 18FPS... Thats just embarrasing. [​IMG]
     
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    Then use -150mv and lower your clocks to 4.2.
     
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    @Phoenix I just want to say I love you!
    Temps are even better!

    I'm starting to think at maybe 4.5!
    I'll stick with 4.4 for a while though...

    After I delid (if I don't end up damaging this thing) I'll try 4.7!
     
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    Ours gonna be multiplatform! We may have a year of development ahead (2 already passed).

    Send me a PM and I show you our prototype videos, and even a build if you like! <3
     
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    You will need to delid the CPU if you don't want it to overheat over stock clocks. Encoding and Rendering require time and since the CPU is pretty much @ 100% load it causes temps to gradually rise.

    My CPU can get into the high 70s - low 80s in my desktop after rendering a video for 30 minutes and that's an i7 5820K @ 4.5Ghz.

    If you run stock with an under-voltage, it should allow you to encode without overheating and you'll still get good performance.
     
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    For skylake CPU, core and ring voltage should be the same.
     
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    Nope, mine are different and they work fine
     
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    Was hoping anyone could help me. So i ordered the 770dm but ive been reading/lurking around the sager/clevo forum(bec thats what you do when you are really excited to get your new laptop but its not yet ready LOL) and i found out that some owners with the 870dm have a dead /bad 980m on the sli version. I was wondering if there is a way for me to tell if its a bad/defective card within a week? I will be receiving my 770dm on my 2nd week in the us and i need to know if anything is wrong so that i can have it serviced and still get it back on time before i go back to my country. The config i got is a 980m/6700k. Also any tips you could give/teach me on what are the things i have to do when i get the laptop.

    Tldr: want to know if the laptop i have is perfect as i will not have support/warranty when i get back to my country and i dont want to go through the hassle of shipping it back to my reseller(lpc) thanks!
     
  37. godfafa_kr

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    Well.. In skylake, Core and Cache (or Ring or uncore or whatever you call it) are linked.
    They should have the same voltage.
    If it works fine, I guess it works fine but you just dont have to differentiate their voltage anymore unlike the prior generation CPUs.
     
  38. Charles P. Jefferies

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    I had to remove a few posts since they dealt with private correspondence. I shouldn't have to tell you that private correspondence shouldn't be posted.

    Charles
     
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    you are totally right, juts say this:

    http://www.legitreviews.com/intel-core-i7-6700k-cache-overclocking-with-ddr4-3600-mhz-memory_170577

     
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    Guys, in this image, the Turbo Power Max is set to 4095W, how would that value translate into the value in BIOS? Like right now I have it at 130,000

    xtu-cache.jpg
     
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    Yeah that's why skylake is the easiest CPU to OC. Bravo :)

    I wish I had one of that bios :(
    can't get one for my p750dm-g.
     
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    130000 is in mW. So 130w. Yeah you are not going to go past 130w probably...
     
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    4.4GHz Core / 4.4 GHz Cache settings coming soon with max temps of 95C under extreme conditions, meaning for games and daily use, this would be perfect, please standby, the Phoenix is coming
     
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    Have you tried 4.4 core / 4.2 cache? Voltage could be lowered this way, since cache ratio wont improve performance much.
     
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    Ok, this one had me falling out of my chair!
     
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    @Mr. Fox @ssj92 @Sebastiao Liparizi Neto @GTVEVO

    4.4 GHz CPU / 4.4 GHz Cache Ratio Overclocking Settings for Skylake 6700K on a CPU that isn't a very good overclocker settings:

    BTW, Just using IC Diamond on the CPU for the below settings, with Liquid Ultra it should be even better

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    4.4 GHz Overclock AIDA64 Stress Test.png

    If you get any hardlocks/freezing even though the temps are not very high, just increase the offset voltage for CPU Core/Cache Ratio from -115 mV to -100mV
     
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    try to replicate the settings as much as possible in XTU
     
  48. Sebastiao Liparizi Neto

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    On the stress test on Prime 95 I did yesterday night with the settings @Phoenix sugested. The readings on my maximun power draw was 94W.

    And I expect no real life scenario to come close to Prime 95.

    It throtled core 1, 2 and 3 but not the 4 to 4.2ghz. And a throttling to 4.2 its still 200mhz above stock, I'm considering very good! And that was on Prime95 which kinda over abuses the CPU
     
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    You know HOW I accidentally found instability??

    I tried to unrar a file during my lightmap baking while all cores had 100% load.

    I would have never found that if not for that. Lowered from -115mv to -110. Ring is still -150mv but I still need to read that link few posts ago abou ring and core voltages on Skylake. I just woke up hahah
     
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    yeah I just set them both the same and increased the Cache Ratio to 44X, all is fine
     
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