*** Official Clevo P870DM/Sager NP9870-G Owner's Lounge - Phoenix has arisen! ***

I just ordered the G.Skill RAM 2800MHz 64GB Kit as well. They will run fine, you just need to change the XMP profile to Custom and choose memory profile 7 in the BIOS. If you don't, then they will run @ 2133 MHz I think

 

If you have software that eats a lot of ram it could be faster. It won't be worse. For gaming it's not worth it.

 

@Mr. Fox

Hey bro, do you think such heatsinks can be installed on my 950 PRO NVMe SSDs in this laptop chassis or they are too big?

 

Note that those heatsinks are already modified to be shorter in that picture.

 

You're not going to find CLU anywhere nearby here. Best to order it online.

 

The clearance between the m.2 drive and the keyboard is around 2-3mm at the most and from the looks of it, the modified heatsinks from the picture have at least 3-4mm height so in my opinion the moded drive will not fit. You could cut the fins even more and it might be able to fit but that calls for testing... cut a little more... test it... cut even more... test it.
In the end if the fins are too short the little added temperature bonus might be too small... but on the other hand you can't really estimate unless you see the results... it might make a small but noticeable difference...

L.E : If the fins will be in touch with the keyboard, it might, at times (when you work you SSD hard) heat up the keyboard and you might not like it... just a thought.

I am pretty happy with the temps of my m.2 500Gb 850 Evo. It runs as a system disk and also has my 2 main games that I play so it reads and writes constantly. In idle i see around 33-35C with 25C room temperature and while gaming around 40-42. The middle fan does a fine job cooling the area and the m.2 drives.. and it's in the 1st m.2 slot.

L.E 2 : I should have mentioned that I am not using an any kind of extra/external cooling for the laptop and my bottom cover is not moded

L.E 3 : Thank you for the rep @Phoenix, I could not do it via PM so I am writing here

 

I doubt it will fit. Not much space between the SSD and keyboard. Bear in mind, those little heat sinks get saturated without any air flow available to cool them off and they may actually store heat and have an effect the exact opposite of what you are shooting for. A hot piece of metal does not help anything and may trap more heat than using nothing.

If you are concerned, use thermal pad thick enough to reach the metal plate on the bottom of the keyboard. You could stack them up a few pads, or just use one thick thermal pad, and let the keyboard double as a SSD heat sink. That would likely be more beneficial than the example you are looking at.

I don't use anything at all for NVMe cooling and I have no issues with the drives getting hot. At least not as far as I can tell. Everything seems fine to me.

 

yeah I have the thermal pads and even without them I have no thermal throttling. I was just asking because I am a curious George and like to know everything

 

It will definitely tune down the temps but it will also add heat to the keyboard and I can't speak for other people but I for one like my palmrest and keyboard as cool as possible

 

How far have people managed to overclock the 1080p panels? And does anybody with the AUO 4K have any thoughts about how the extended color gamut looks compared to the 1080p panels? Lastly, does anybody know how limited the Mythlogic BIOS/EC are compared to the full Prema BIOS/EC? Thanks!

 

Yes, it certainly might do that. But, then again, it might be cooler than thick copper storing up heat and making hot spots above the drives. The plate on the keyboard is thin and large, so it might actually dissipate heat effectively and quickly enough to produce little or no discernible difference in skin temps. One would have to try it and see how it turns out.

I've seen multiple reviews and forum posts talking about hot M.2 SSDs, and because of those complaints I checked numerous times and never noticed the NVMe drives in the Sky X9 to be profoundly warmer than my 2.5 inch SSDs or mSATA SSDs in other machines, so doing nothing might be just fine.

 

From what I have read so far people managed to overclock it to 100 but some pointed out that the image gets a bit darker at 100.... so probably 85-90 it's a safer bet... although can't comment on what the display life will be in the long run with this massive overclock
I did not overclock mine, 75 seems good enough for me... ar least for now

 

Is there a sub 50$ backpack that can be used to carry this baby comfortably? Doesn't need fancy pockets, just a basic one would do.

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I've heard that there may be post-application problems with CoolLaboratory Liquid Ultra (CLU) that's been applied between the CPU's IHS and the heat sink. Has anyone found, for example, that carrying/moving the laptop around leads to the CLU leaking/seeping from between the IHS and the heat sink? Or, could there possibly be an issue with a CLU application, if the heat sink does not exert a sufficient amount of pressure on the IHS?

I know a lot of the people in this thread have applied CLU (or have had it applied), and I don't remember reading of any problems; but, since someone mentioned these issues to me, I thought I should check. Oh, and I guess hearing that you haven't had any problems would also be good to know.

 

I believe this is purely a misunderstanding and lack of experience with the product. CLU will not leak or seep once applied in my experience with any application unless you plainly use an excessive amount and cause it. I have used it several laptops which I move around frequently and during checks or reapplications of the product there was no leakage or movement of any kind. Inside the IHS I would suspect the chances would even be less if used correctly as it contained and surrounded with very little clearance. With CLU once its applied to something correctly it sticks too it, it likes to be joined with copper surfaces in other words.

Please notice I use the word "Correctly" many times, you can't use a product incorrectly and then place blame and with this product if used incorrectly it will cause harm, this is the difference between CLU and conventional non conductive material.

 

@HakunaMatata @Mr. Fox @jrsx2689

HIDevolution now offering the Prema BIOS on their P870DM laptops for free and are also upgrading existing customers who bought the laptop also for free (but existing customers have to send in their laptop to HIDevolution for the upgrade)

See: http://www.hidevolution.com/hidevol...uilt-to-order-desktop-replacement-laptop.html



They will also be adding the Prema VBIOS for free for the 970M, 980M, and 980 GTX

These are the features of the Prema VBIOS:

• Power throttle disabled
• Over-voltage slider enabled and adjusted (up to a maximum of 1.2v)
• Activated and adjusted thermal slider (to keep it cooler if desired)
• Core overclock slider limit raised
• Power consumption meter activated
• Fixed 3D voltage base-line in order to stabilize OCs and voltage-match both cards in SLI systems (based on average ASIC)
• Thermal protection @ 92c (once*91c are breached the system throttles volts and clocks in order to protect it)
• Protection against Furmark and Kombustor GPU burnout (AVOID those software even with stock vBIOS)!

 

Yes, you are right, we need some numbers

Like I said earlier the m.2 SSD temps are very good in the P870.
I tested the same m.2 Evo 850 in the P751DM-G (in the 1st m.2 slot, the bay one) at 26c room temp, in idle is around 51-53C and while gaming (better airflow, fans spinning faster) it gets down to 47-50C. The bottom cover of the P751 has holes directly under the m.2 and it does have direct fresh air intake but the temps are not as great as the P870 ones.

 

What is the throttling point of these NVMe SSDs anyway? 60C?

Mine never reached more than 50C even when benchmarking

 

According to this review ( http://www.techspot.com/news/62580-samsung-ssd-950-pro-m2-performance-preview.html) for your Samsung m.2 950 NVME model the throttling starts at 98C.
Usually it throttles when you copy big/huge files (or lots of medium ones) from another nvme drive, everything happens at very high speeds that heats up the drives controller pretty badly... this is the shot version of how to heat up my NVME drive for sure
If you will copy the same files from an external usb3.0 drive the NVME drive it will barely get warmish

 

98C? I never even come close to that

Temps of the Samsung 950 PRO 512GB Right after the SSD Benchmarks:

 

Speaking of SSD's, heat... I just found something worth reading, an interesting Google study about SSD's
http://www.digitaltrends.com/computing/google-ssd-study/

 

The SSD benchmarks although intense are usually short, most likely do not take enough time to raise the temp of the NVME driver high enough...
Start to copy some big files over and over between the nvme drive and watch the temp raise... and stay ready to cancel when the temp hits 90C
There is also the possibility that the airflow of the P870 is so good that the drive will never reach 90C let alone 98C to throttle... but I can't test it because I only have an m.2 that is SATA

L.E :In P870 we have pretty good active cooling for the m.2 drives and the NVME that were usually tested/reviewed by various sites (that throttled) were tested on desktop motherboards with no active airflow (from what I have seen) resulting in the very high temps on load.

 

Cool. I hope this means we're closer to a public release of the Prema Bios for ALL Clevo P870DM laptops.

 

Now I have an additional $200 available for upgrades! Woo hoo!

 

I don't think so

 

Wow nice! And this is after i bought my laptop last week! Well lets see if i can send mine in after i come back after 3 weeks.

 

oh you bought yours from them as well? Awesome! Now you can send it in and have it upgraded for free! Their BIOS is the Prema BIOS but with HIDevolution branding/logo

time to unleash your beast laptop

 

@bloodhawk

BTW Bro, don't forget to also tell them to upgrade your GPU to the Prema VBIOS!

 

Is there is a custom vBIOS for the desktop 980 ?
Im actually working on something that might not need me to send it in. Thanks to a friends Sager NP9870. Obviously wont leave his unlocked.
But if the need be, ill definitely send mine in, just gonna be out of town for close to a month.

 

Yes, these are the features of the Prema VBIOS:

• Power throttle disabled
• Over-voltage slider enabled and adjusted (up to a maximum of 1.2v)
• Activated and adjusted thermal slider (to keep it cooler if desired)
• Core overclock slider limit raised
• Power consumption meter activated
• Fixed 3D voltage base-line in order to stabilize OCs and voltage-match both cards in SLI systems (based on average ASIC)
• Thermal protection @ 92c (once*91c are breached the system throttles volts and clocks in order to protect it)
• Protection against Furmark and Kombustor GPU burnout (AVOID those software even with stock vBIOS)!

 

Wow, nice!

Ill get in touch with the guys over at HID once i get back.

 

New here ordered from Mythlogic on the 20th of Feb. does anyone know how much the Mythlogic BIOS differs from the Prema Bios. They say its based off of it but not the same.

 

be prepared for a long wait till you get your system and crappy customer service.

 

It's very similar, they are a Prema partner after all.

 

Hello All,

So I recently purchased the NP9870-G from Sager and I think I have a problem. I might not, but I just don't know. I am looking for assistance form anyone who has the 9870-G.

I was changing the lighting settings of the keyboard and the "logo" part (back of the monitor) and I set it to breathing. I then changed it to custom to stop the breathing. My problem is that the "logo" part is still breathing. I tried changing it to other options (flashing or wave), but the "logo" part will not change, it will stay breathing. I uninstalled Control Center (and restarted) and installed the latest version from the Clevo site.

Does it always stay breathing? Can I change it to solid lights only (no effects)? I just don't remember if it was solid when I first turned it on.

Any help is greatly appreciated.

 

I just checked mine as you posted this, it's breathing

 

Oh I already am figuring that out. 14 "business" days in and its only in step 4 In Build Queue. I emailed them this morning (before they opened) asking a few questions and I did not receive a reply until 6 (when they close). i know this system will be a beast, but i think this is the last time I order from Mythlogic.

 

Mine only stays breathing too.

 

1) I had a friend who had ordered a P870DM-G from Mythlogic (Mythlogic Phobos 8715S), he then made a mistake by flashing the latest stock Clevo BIOS thinking it was better only to discover that now his BIOS has 0 customization options or overclocking options. So he thought no big deal, he contacted their technical support thinking they would send him the Mythlogic BIOS. The head of tech support named Josh started asking him lots of questions regarding his order number, serial number, name of the person who paid for it, etc. It was like an interrogation. He then explained that it was a gift so he doesn't have the order number but he gave them the serial number and even a screenshot of it from the actual laptop.


After 3 days with no response, he calls Josh who was very rude and seemed annoyed as to why he was calling him. Then Josh said that they need time to send him the BIOS.


1 week later, nothing, so he emails again.... no reply for 1 weeks, then he emails and calls, he was given the same BS about they need time to compile the BIOS in a package that he could install......


2 weeks later, nothing, then he finally gave up and is still running the stock CLEVO BIOS 1.05.02


I know the guy personally he lives here in Dubai as well.



2) Before purchasing my Eurocom Sky X9, I thought of getting a Mythlogic again, I called their sales team and some dude answered who didn't have an upbeat tone or showed any interest to my business as a potential customer, I felt like I was talking to a robot.


I then asked how long would it take from the time of order till you actually ship the system, he replies, 15 business days. I'm like whaaaat? why so long? he says we are swamped with orders.


Apparently they have so much arrogance now that they have so many orders/business coming through. I for one will never want to deal with this company EVER,


Then I ordered my Eurocom Sky X9 but not through Eurocom directly, but through HIDevolution as they are good partners with them, so they gave me a discount as I am an NBR member and actually even got the system for me cheaper than if I would have bought it from Eurocom directly.


This way, I got the Eurocom Sky X9 with the PREMA BIOS pre-installed AND covered under warranty, along with the superb warranty/support of HIDevolution and fast shipping / excellent quality checks, the best of both worlds really. See:


HIDevolution - The Best Company I ever dealt with


Ordered a Eurocom Sky X9 through HIDevolution


HIDevolution's Warranty!

 

Something similar happened to me.

I was thinking about Mythologic as well. Wasn't even considering Eurocom because of their higher prices.

But when going to sign in to Mythologic website to place my order, the website had a problem with my data.

I onpened a ticket asking for that. More than a week later they hadn't even contacted the responsible person to deal with that. I contated sales and complained, that when I'm willing to spend 3k+ USD in a system, I expected a little more care from the sales end.

A guy named Josh apologized, I was glad again. But I was already reading the 350+ pages of the forum here, and saw @Mr. Fox telling people to ask for a price match at Eurocom.

I did that (mentioning @Prema and @Mr. Fox) and they not only matched the prices with Mythologic, but they also gave me GREAT support regarding my payment options (I don't have an American billing adress and asked a friend to may the wire transfer for me) but they were also regarding the small window I had to travle and fetch the computer, giving me a better shipping option even after I had already paid for the system.

On the order, because I thought it was a given, I hadn't asked for Prema BIOS, and I didn't had that on my receipt. I called them and they gave it to me! BIOS and vBIOS.

So, all I have to say is: "I LOVE EUROCOM!"

 

OK. Then I don't think mine is malfunctioning.

 

nope, that's the default behavior brah..

 

Ya the lid only does that unfortunately.

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long story short, 1 bad experience doesnt mean the entire company is bad. when you're at work you're going to have good day or bad day. just my 2c. you can bring on other things such as they shouldnt be doing business this and that if they aren't motivated, ultimately my 1st line described everything. sorry to hear you have a poor experience with them.

 

OK.

OK. So I feel better now, thank you for confirming.

 

OK. Thank you

 

OK. Thank you for assistance.

 

I too had a bad experience. Felt EXACTLY as they didn't needed to pay good care for my POTENTIAL purchase, because they already had enough.

On the other hand, I had a very good experience with Xotic when I was prospecting the P870. Pitty they didn't had Prema...

 

not saying everyone will get the bad experience that I had. As you said, everyone has a bad day and I was unfortunate enough to get those people who were on their period. But for me personally, based on *my* experience with them, I will never want to have anything to do with that company ever!

 

I ordered mine 6 days after yours. Mine is still in Phase 2 - Payment Complete. It has been like this since the day I purchased the system. I don't think it would take that long to gather parts - nearly 2 weeks so far. Hopefully they surprise me.