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I'm curious about that, did you have any results of the testing? How close were they?

 

Well the firs thing right of the bat that i observed was that the Killer tool at least 5-10 seconds more to connect to my 5Ghz Band. Intel 8260 was connecting almost instantly.

Also the 8260 maxed out my 150mbps comcast downstream. The Killer would max it out 2-3 times out of 5. Dont know why it was so inconsistent. Because i did make sure , no one else was connected to the router and the router is brand new. All the tests were done after the Merlini's firmware flash procedure.
Same results when transferring a 2GB video file, Intel seemed to be pretty much the same (85-90MBPS) every single time, but the Killer was all over the place (50-95 MBPS)

The same routers 5G band, gives me tops 30mbps on my phone. Thats why im not really into saying if one is better than the other. But i did run file transfers and speed tests at least 5 times each.

 

Did you try installing the driver only without the killer suite?

 

Awesome that it got certified finally.

Sucks I won't be able to use G-SYNC though as I don't have a G-SYNC 980, it's non G-SYNC.

 

I didn't install the Killer Suite, it was causing BSOD's on my friends system, that's why i got the chance to try these out. The driver was installed manually.

 

Are MXM cards without G-sync still made or is it just the older cards that lack support?

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Are MXM cards without G-sync still made or is it just the older cards that lack support?

Edit: if they still are, what's the point of making them? especially since it can be turned off on G-sync MXMs.

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Maxwell G-Sync GPUs use a different device ID (just like Quadro's), so both regular and g-sync ID models have to made in order to supply the market.

 

G'day all, I've got a few (uninformed) questions please regarding my new Eurocom Sky X9E with 980 desktop card (Eurocom aren't answering their support line late on a Sunday night, surprisingly ). Please forgive any grammatical / spelling / etiquette mistakes here as I've had quite a few nice Scotch whiskies this afternoon

1) I've tried to do a RAID 0 installation on two Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 512GB drives (including browsing for the f6flpy-x64 folder for drivers, as per the manual section 6-10), however it seems to install all the Windows 10 Pro features etc., get to "finishing up" then reboot and go back to the start of the install process - any ideas? If I revert in the UEFI / BIOS back to SATA AHCI mode it completes the Windows install now worries. @Phoenix I believe you managed to get your RAID 0 NVMe drives working - I couldn't quite work out from your posts what you had done differently to me though.

2) The most important one, when I try to install any of the Nvidia drivers on a completed (non-RAID) Windows install, it tells me "This graphics driver could not find compatible graphics hardware." The card is a 980 (desktop) with the AUO 4k screen although I asked for the card to be specced as the G-sync compatible version. I have modified an *.inf file to add the card ID which allows the driver installation to progress past the compatibility check, but then the driver installation "fails". This is with the driver from the install disk that was sent out with the laptop, the latest downloaded from Eurocom, and the latest from Nvidia. The @Prema BIOS lists that the 980 is installed in the System Information section, and the PNP device ID in Windows System Information seems reasonably similar to other GTX 980 cards listed in the .inf file.

3) Assuming I can get the Nvidia graphics driver to recognise the hardware and actually install, how do I go about enabling G-sync on the 4k internal monitor? The fact that I'm quite a few Scotches down may be clouding my understanding from the last couple of pages of this thread.... if so then sorry for my obtuse (lack of) interpretation.

Thanks in advance for any help, the first two issues have been driving me nuts for the last two days since I received the machine. The third one is a bit of a bonus from reading the last couple of pages...

A bit more info:

Machine: Eurocom Sky X9E
CPU: i7-6700K
Memory: 64GB G.SKILL 2400 (4x16GB)
Storage: 2x Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 512GB (non-RAID)
Graphics: GTX 980 (desktop), G-sync enabled (I believe)
PNP Device ID: PCI\VEN_10DE&DEV_161A&SUBSYS_08701558&REV_A1\4&1FD82A6D&0&0008
Internal Display: 4k
BIOS: Eurocom 1.05.03EC v1.2 (02/01/2016)

Cheers,

Lee.

 

When I mentioned that the Intel AC8260 is a better WLAN card on a few posts. The Killer AC1535 owners jumped on me saying that the Intel AC8260 has a lot of spike lags (whatever that means) and that I don't know what I'm missing. Even though I never had a single disconnection or issue with it, I ordered a Killer AC1535 WLAN card that should arrive soon. I am confused now to install it or not.

I also just bought an ASUS RT-AC5300 Router with MU-MIMO technology and the Intel AC8260 doesn't make use of that technology......

really confused

what do you think @hmscott

 

That RAId 0 issue is fixed in the latest Eurocom/Prema BIOS 1.05.03 v1.3

I spent many hours with Prema doing a lot of testing until he finally got it fixed. Simply upgrade your BIOS and it will be fixed.

I had the same issue as you, while the first phase of installing Windows finishes, when it reboots, it starts the process again because the BIOS is not activating the new Windows Boot Manager.

I then installed the stock BIOS and the installation went fine. The moment I installed the Prema BIOS, the Windows Boot Manager disappears. that's all fixed now

 

Thanks @Phoenix, I already seem to be on 1.05.03 though. It sounds like the same issue however.

 

sorry I just edited it.


The base BIOS is 1.05.03 but you have the Prema Version 1.2. the issue is fixed in the prema BIOS 1.3

Ill post a screenshot in a moment

 

Ah thanks. Probably more a question for Eurocom themselves, but how do I go about getting the latest BIOS? I think you said earlier in the thread that you're on a Eurocom machine now too.

Cheers,

 

sorry don't have the screenshot anymore and I can't take one because I reverted back to stock BIOS temporarily until I finish my CPU upgrade for the 6700K Silicon Lottery Edition @ 4.8 GHz. It is best to be on stock settings/BIOS when upgrading the CPU as a user here had his machine bricked because he didn't revert to stock BIOS while upgrading the CPU

Contact Eurocom for the latest BIOS.

 

@meddo

Also for upgrading your 4K Screen to GSYNC, you need the newest BIOS that Prema made for 4K/GSYNC so make sure you mention that

 

If you got a MU-MIMO compatible router to test with 1535 you need multiple contending devices accessing for the magic to happen. A single device will operate just fine, without contention, MU-MIMO isn't required. There is no boost in throughput for a single device is what I am saying.

What is MU-MIMO, and how is it different from my current Wi-Fi setup?
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/mu-mimo-faq,review-2873.html

Spoiler

"Multiuser multiple input, multiple output technology for Wi-Fi — MU-MIMO, for short — has been around for a few years in academic and research settings. But it wasn't until CES 2015 that popular home wireless router makers, including Asus and Belkin, committed to supporting it with their devices. MU-MIMO offers a lot of potential, but what will it mean for home users? Will it benefit your current Wi-Fi setup? And is it ready for prime time?

MU-MIMO refers to technology available in 802.11ac Wi-Fi networks that can broadcast a signal from a number of sources to multiple systems simultaneously. Traditionally, Wi-Fi bandwidth gets shared among various devices from one common pool. The more devices you connect, the less bandwidth is available for each one. That's why a router might advertise lightning-fast speeds, but its output may slow down if you try to watch Netflix on a tablet while your spouse plays Call of Duty on a PS4 and your kids load up Minecraft on a PC simultaneously, for example.

In a system that uses MU-MIMO, a router can direct separate streams of bandwidth to up to four different devices simultaneously, as long as the devices are also set up to use MU-MIMO. In effect, each device functions as though it had its own dedicated router. The router does not juggle devices as they need bandwidth; each one gets a steady stream according to its needs. (If there are more than four devices, however, at least two will have to share a stream.)"

The 1535 driver for Windows 10 has stabilized - no more disconnects - no more memory leaks, at least as of 1.1.57.1679

@Firebat246 had the disconnect problem before and it was solved with 1.1.57.1679

Clevo Laptop Killer WiFi Compatibility Testing & Troubleshooting Thread
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...eshooting-thread.787182/page-13#post-10186860

I am on Windows 8.1 with a 1525 Wifi card and Killer Suite 1.1.57.1686, which is the last version out from Rivet on Feb 16th, and it is working for me aok.

Killer Drivers for Killer Wireless-AC, Killer Wireless-N, and Killer E2200/E2400
http://www.killernetworking.com/support/driver-downloads/item/killer-suite

Killer Suite works for me because I take a couple of minutes to run the automatic upload/download measurement the Killer Suite needs to manage Quality of Service priorities (QOS). You only need to run it once for each network connection. For me that is Ethernet and Wifi.

Spoiler

The Killer Suite tools I find useful, so I keep them installed, and so under heavy downloads - Steam + Uplay + torrent - I can still stream video / music, browse, and it all works smoothly.

 

You should uninstall XTU and load the BIOS defaults before upgrading CPU, not flash a stock BIOS.
Reason simply being that the OC settings for the old CPU may not work with the new one.

 

Thanks for your input. I'd rather try myself than ask for help from that selfish firebat who was selfish enough to not even share his BIOS settings for his 4.5GHz overclock! Please ignore such people in the future.

 

ohhh so that's what terrablade did.......now even if he puts his old CPU back it doesn't work......

see:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...enix-has-arisen.781814/page-477#post-10214479

 

That sounds more like he received a broken CPU that killed his board...but if he's very lucky it's just a corrupted CMOS...

 

The BIOS / XTU / reset and going back to Defaults is a good idea.

Remember to disconnect your internal battery connection, and push and hold the power button, until power drains out completely, before un-socketing parts.

Remember to use a static free surface to rest the laptop, parts, you, and connect it all to a good ground. Anti-static, non-magnetic, and non-conducting tools are a good idea too.

 

I would also suggest removing the BIOS battery for a few minutes after you take out the power and the battery... that should reset everything back to stock. I had to do it in for my P751DM in order to erase all the traces that XTU left in the bios on my machine.

 

Sorry for the impatience but does anyone have any ideas about why the Nvidia driver / Eurocom driver install software would not recognise the installed GTX 980 in my system when Windows and the BIOS do recognise it?

Thank you (and thanks for the responses regarding the BIOS / NVMe drives),

Lee.

 

It's easy to break a cmos battery holder, if you haven't popped one out before, so be careful.

It might be easier to go into the BIOS and Set Defaults, F10, restart.

 

I have both wi-fi cards and with my router (and router's firmware) the funny thing is I have more problems with Intel then with my Killer network card so my advice is get the Killer and test it yourself over a period of time and pick in the end the wi-fi card you like more. It seems that the wi-fi cards compatibility depends way too much on the router (and the router's firmware) these days...
Also the drivers are not what used to be... probably because they have to make things compatible (bug free) with a lot more routers these days.

L.E told my wi-fi story more in detail a few threads back

 

Yes, @hmscott made a very good point and I want to stress that even more " Be VERY carefull when you take out the bios battery, on my P750DM I managed to break it EVEN IF I was very gentle with the socket (had to use a hot glue gun to fix the bios battery in place). It's true that in the P751DM the bios battery socket has a bad design, it's way more fragile than the P870DM one.

 

In addition to the free upgrade to the Prema VBIOS, HIDevolution are now offering free upgrades for the Prema VBIOS as well for all the latest nVIDIA GPUs. Very generous I must say and they are leading the resellers game with the way they are operating:

 

Yeah, thats why i didnt want to commit to saying that one is better than the other. The results are very inconsistent for everyone.
Maybe its my firmware, or the channel or whatever, its a good thing, killer fixed their drivers.

If you have both the cards, id say try them out and use whichever one works better for you...

 

The only reason HIDevolution offers 4K G-SYNC now is because they buy them from Eurocom and the product was made available to them to offer for sale. Maybe they have not updated the order configuration page at Eurocom to reflect it. To be clear, this is all a bunch of smoke and mirrors, in a no pay/no play club for fanboys. G-SYNC is possible for all who are willing to pay into the license racketeering scheme sponsored by and for the financial enrichment of NVIDIA, assuming everything else is in place (GPU with G-SYNC component, the correct firmware, having the correctly whitelisted LCD and using the right drivers).

If all the right stuff is in place it should be automatic for everyone, even retroactively, on machines where everything was present except for the 4K LCD not being on the driver whitelist of approved panels, etc.

 

My question is why bother making the non G-sync ID cards at all? I don't know much about quadros so enlighten me if I missed something. Is this 2 ID system followed for desktop cards as well?

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No, desktops use G-SYNC monitors with extra hardware built into the monitor. The monitor manufacturer also pays extortion fees to NVGREEDIA for the licensing the same as the laptop OEMs.

 

So they can say there is an extra hardware in the card or something and charges an extra 100 dollar fee for it. What did you expect? Without a difference, they cant sell the same thing at different prices. A neat hardware ID change with different valued resistors on the PCB make sure it cant be changed at software levels.

Its a monopoly, nvidia will milk you dry.

 

@ Mr. Fox Exactly, so why not just just deactivate the feature support based on the laptop display(which is bad enough) instead of using 2 GPU IDs for MXM, creating confusion. This could be a big problem when buying used MXM modules.
Is there a way to differentiate between the two just by looking at the MXM cards?

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Because you cant charge extra for the cards too? Why only milk the manufacturer and not the consumer when you can do both.

Make no mistakes, nvidia are overcharging the crap out of us for the mobile cards. No way a crippled GM204 costs as much as a 980 ti.

 

Charging premiums for features AND misinformation, daylight robbery at its worst from Ngreedia. Makes me shudder to even think about Pascal pricing when launched in June(rumoured). Hopefully with Polaris launching in the same time frame and AMD's promise of making affordable VR ready cards, pricing will become more palatable.

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Not sure about the misinformation. What I meant about that was that without a change in hardware, you cant really sell the same card at different margins.

 

Probably not misinformation, rather lack of clarity. The average Joe can't tell the difference between the two cards, they won't bother using utilities like GPU-Z to find if they gave G-sync card or not.

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I am slowly growing tired of dealing with mobile cards. All this power limit/heat/etc BS. No one reallys care about power consumption running a flagship mobile card. Sometimes I wish I had just build a m-atx PC with a full WC loop, slapped a block on a titan x and clocked the crap out of it with a unlocked vbios. NGREEDIA just seems to find every way to screw over mobile owners. Between the overpriced hardware and software lock downs, its really a PITA to get things working.

 

What saddens me is the death of AMD! I miss those days when we had the 780Ti vs the M290X

No wonder nCrapia can mess with us with crappy drivers and get away with it, what other option do we have? just suck it up heh

 

And this is why monopoly sucks.

 

To their 'defense', NVIDA uses that extra money they make from just changing the ID on Quadro (pro-market) and now g-sync to finance new development...just wish that 'development' would take a more 'upgrade friendly' direction...

 

I have to admit that I am a big fan of g-sync. Which is the lowest frequency / fps at which g-sync in notebooks is working?

I think I read somewhere 30 fps but I am not sure.

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After using GSYNC screens, I never EVER wanna go back to conventional screens

 

Which game(s) do you play and what is the avg. And min. Fps?

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For now, only Need For Speed Rivals, on the 17th of March my preloaded Need For Speed (the new version with unlocked FPS) will be accessible.

I also have Battlefield 4 and Counter Strike CS Go and Ryse Son of Rome but didn't play them yet to tell you the average FPS

my FPS in Need For Speed rivals is 60 FPS but that's only because it has a locked FPS to 30 FPS and I used a hack to unlock the FPS to 60 but it is very smooth with the GSYNC screen

This is the hack I added to the shortcut of NFS Rivals:

-GameTime.MaxSimFps 60 -GameTime.ForceSimRate 60+

 

Cool, have you tried playing it with g-sync and v-sync off? Is tearing really noticeable in NFS?(during your normal gaming session, without specifically looking for it)

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I always have VSYNC/GSYNC on. 0 tearing.

I thought that even if you disable VSYNC, since GSYNC is enabled, the FPS would be locked to the screen refresh rate which is 75hz

 

@god1729

what laptop / specs do you have? your signature seems outdated

 

I heard G-SYNC doesn't cap fps anymore when V-sync is off(in their newer drivers).

Unfortunately it isn't, my p775dm purchase is being delayed due to multiple reasons, my screen tearing experiences come from playing CS source on my hand me down m1530 .(previously had an Inspiron 15R N5010 but thats long gone).

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