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Oh, that's going to be even more ridiculously expensive then, because you'll have to buy a similarly absurdly priced TB3->TB2 adapter.

 

yep around 70 dollars adapter from startech

 

I'll probably just stick to plugging in all the wires all the time and use that money for another SSD or something lol

 

haha the previous fans might be aswell ghetto for a top line machine XD

 

The latest one does.

I personally do not have much experience with the CC , im sure others can chime in to help you.

 

nice to know, so automatic works without installing CC?
thanks

 

Yep.

 

Does anyone know of a workaround for this:

So let's say my monitor is 3840x2160 @ 60hz and my laptop is 2560x1440 @ 120hz.

I go in game and set all my settings for 3840x2160 @ 60hz and play. But then I disconnect my display and use my laptop to game some other time somewhere else.

Will the resolution automatically switch in game to 2560x1440 @ 120hz and if I hook up the laptop to my monitor will it go back to 3840x2160 @ 60hz?

This is the main reason I'm probably leaning towards the 4K display again instead of the new 3K 120hz display.

 

In my case it has always reverted to the last saved resolution for the connected display. I have always used external monitors with my laptops Alienware, MSI and Clevo and all acted the same way.

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Most well coded games plug into the windows system and can store data for displays much how windows remembers display settings depending on what monitors are plugged in.

Those games that are poorly coded and support set resolutions will probably have more of an issue.

 

which one should i pick and why http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np9873s-clevo-p870dm3.html?startcustomization=1
orhttp:// www.xoticpc.com/aorus-x7-dt-v6-pc3k4d.html?startcustomization=1

 

i think the answers will be quite obvious asking in this thread

Sent from my Huawei Mate 8 NXT-AL10

 

Like asking whether to get a front wheel drive Toyota Hybrid at a Porsche club meet

@MSH94
Get the Sager or even better a Prema partnered Clevo release. Either way the Sager is better at everything the Aorus can do except being thin and disposable

 

So question here, I'm about to pull the trigger on a 9873-S with Dual 1080's. I'm going down this road mostly because my new job is going to have me on the road quite a bit and once I do my ramp up time I want to be able to game and lab with no compromises.

I have a question around the CPU cooling. I hear that undervolting is basically required to keep the temps out of the throttling range. Has anyone been able to "upgrade" their cooling or somehow managed to squeak out an overclock? I'm not concerned if I can do that or not but was just curious.

Also one other question, I know Kaby Lake will be a drop-in replacement with appropriate BIOS update, but are there any rumblings of motherboard or bandwidth (PCIe) upgrades on the horizon with that CPU? I would doubt it but just curious if there is a reason to hold off 3 or so months and wait for a system built around Kaby Lake.

Almost forgot my last question, I prefer to use Intel wireless adapters over the Killer Networks mostly because of compatibility with VM hypervisors (Hyper-V, VirtualBox, VMware). I remember having to disable all the network cards on my MSI GT72S because of this. Is there any compelling reason to stick with the Killer Networks wireless card over the Intel?

Thanks for your consideration!

 

There is fan speed issue currently going around, if you dont like noisy and very loud fans its still wise to consider something else,ex: go with the p775dm3.

 

CPU needs to be delidded and use CLU, I can manage mine at 4.5ghz without throttling , tho temp is around 91c, but the cpu rarely reach that, only happens when stress testing, video editing, gaming, rendering even cinebench max tdp is around 84watts and temp is around 85c compared to stress tests 95 watts, a realistic measure is worth taking into consideration stress test doesn't justify 100% the right clock to run at except when it comes to stability.

 

Guys can I upgrade to 1440p 120hz yet? I've seen @TBoneSan sig having that display.
thanks.

 

Cool nights are among us in the US and no laptop. , 1440p don't let me down again get your arse to HIDEVOLUTION.

I think several of us have ordered the 1440p but I am unsure of anyone actually owning it in the DM3 just yet. I know that HID will be shipping them out as soon as possible, estimated within the next week or so (Mid Oct).

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...hpad-ptp-driver-with-synaptics-driver.783990/

This has improved touchpad on my dm3, and actually have synaptics settings manager for more functions. Moving finger a mm is now detected.

 

I'm on my phone right now so I'll keep it short, but I'll update my reply when I get back to a computer.

1. Do you really need 1080SLI power? Although you're wanting no compromises, this is a double edged sword because it'll come at the cost of major heat. I had to ask myself this as well. Although I edit, render, game etc... I had to come back down to earth to realize that a single GTX 1080 would suffice for my portable power needs. I'm on the plane 1-2 times a month.

2. A Repaste will be mandatory so definitely prep for that. This is not an option.

3. A Delid is highly recommended; borderline mandatory as well.

4. Will you mind carrying around two 330w power bricks?

5. Is fan noise something that'll bother you and/or those around you? (Work place, Cafe etc...)

6. I prefer Intel as well over killer. They both will get the job done, but as mentioned when it comes to compatibility with VM's that's when Intel becomes the only choice.

7. Kabylake...for most it'll be an incremental upgrade because the majority won't even utilize the extra bells and whistles. However, depending on what you do for work, it might become practical for you. Either way, it's doable and the option is there if you want it, although you'll likely be just fine with the 6700K.

There are a lot of things to consider. I would say that analyzing your usage habits will be the best thing you can do right now...from there take into account all the pros and cons with the various models to choose from.

In summary:
* Heat
* Noise
* 2x 330W Power Bricks

...to be continued.

::iunlock::

 

I wonder how heat is an issue for some, obviously using DTR on lap is not practical.

 

Well so long as the performance is not impacted slight changes are not an issue. You wont NEED to repaste/delid, especially if you intend to run stock.

 

I wasn't able to run stock frequencies without undervolting before delid, maybe some cpu+ihs assemblies have different thermal paste or air gaps?

 

The heat and noise aren't a big deal to me. Neither is the carrying weight. I used to carry a MSI GT72S (9.5 lbs) with non-travel power brick (2lbs), plus a surface pro 4, 13" retina macbook pro, iPad pro, nintendo 3ds, and other gear all in one bag. Now that it will just be this laptop and two power bricks the weight actually may go down a little.

I may have to find someone to de-lid this CPU for me as I don't feel comfortable doing that myself. I do custom water loops for my desktops but I'd probably kill that CPU. I may just stick to under-volting the CPU for now and leaving it stock.

Thanks for the advice on the Intel Wireless adapter. I went with that one for my order.

Kaby Lake, other than the 4k encoding and playback performance does seem incremental. I may still upgrade to it anyway and it is nice that I have that option.

Thanks again for the reply!

 

Hey, new to this forum, recently purchased this board through PCSpecialist with a 4k Panel, SLi 1080s, i7 6700k, 64GB RAM etc.

Heat wise, gets very hot depending on the game and surface played on but ive never gone over 90c on anything.

My main issue is moues issues, there seems to be a lot of unsmooth stuttery like actions using the mouse in a lot of games. Fallout 4, Doom, Hitman, Deus Ex, L4D2 and a handful more.

It isnt my mouse as i have a desktop that is just fine with that mouse, and i've tried my friends Razer and both have the same issues.

However on a controller it pretty much fixes these issues on the games with bad moues control, again thats not really a fix more of a temporary work around.

Tried a fresh install with drivers but same issues happened. FPS is smooth and consistent so that isnt the issue here.

Also the BIOS is extremely limited, id personally like to turn off HyperThreading but i cant, there isnt an option.

 

I guess at that point it's up to the game. I can think of three of my games that will have to be done manually most likely. I have to change settings on a settings app before launching the game for those three.

 

There's something odd going on in here, I also had bad problems with a mouse (razer ouroboros). It just jumps around, especially on fine movements, while drawing pad and touch pad are smooth as butter.

Something is really not ok.

Another thing that I've noticed, there's a micro lag problem when doing very light loads on the GPU. as in: It's much better when playing at 4K + DSR + AA at 75fps smooth, than browsing the internets...

 

It sounds like I am going to have to overcome a lot of quirks when my machine arrives in a couple of weeks but I am ready. Unfortunately, I won't have Prema's magic to save me because I went with another reseller (not due to price, but payment options). I will post a detailed review of my machine when I get it.

 

Not every game happens but most do, leaving me to have to use a controller for most games and thats smooth as butter.

L4D2, Shadow Warrior, Fallout 4 all had horrible moues controls but the moment i ues a controller smooth

 

Try uninstalling all the razer software, it might be causing conflicts. My Steelseries wireless sensei is butter smooth in all tasks.

 

Sounds great. You should be all set then, although a delid is highly recommended. PM me as I can help you.

I too pack heavy when traveling .. completely understand.


::iunlock::

 

What frequencies did you see?

Fit of the heatsink is very important. Something we should see improve across the board...

 

Uninstalled, reinstalled synapse, reflashed firmware, uninstalled windows, reinstalled windows, reinstalled VGA driver, reinstalled every possible component, this still happens. Same behavior, drawing pen is butter smooth, touch pad is butter smooth, mouse jumps like a hysterical hyena.

Brought the mouse to the shop, let's see what they do about it.

 

P.S. Sorry for sounding so extreme about this, I need perfect precusion on mouse at pixel level for image design, it's impossible to work well if the mouse jumps at low and fine movements ;_;

 

Just get any decent high end mouse. Most of the newer sensors are great for work.
I use a Deathadder Chrome at work for 3D/VFX work. And at home i use my Zowie Fk1. Both are pixel perfect, and i never use them over 800dpi.

Other options from Logitech like the G502, are amazing as well. Just that i dont like the shape/design. I prefer a minimalist ambidextrous mouse.
You can even look at other like - Final Mouse, the ones from Mionix, Roccat etc. Unless you are into hard core competitive gaming, the slight hardware acceleration with certain sensor wont be a problem for you.

PS: This question is better suited for the mice thread by D2 Ultima.

 

After the De-lid are you leaving the heat spreader off and doing direct die cooling or are you just replacing the internal TIM and putting the heat spreader back on?

 

Still trying to pin point whether the new 1080 based laptops have a failure somewhere with mouses, or if anything else is broken for me

Thanks for your advice!

 

Dont see how a mouse issue could be related to the laptop? Unless your USB ports are having issues or some driver issue. That is very unlikely.
Make sure your polling rate is set to 1000 as well.
Also check if there is lint/dust on the sensor. And what surface are you using the mouse on?
Laser mice are very touchy about what surfaces they are used on. Buying the mouse isnt the whole thing, you gotta pair with a decent mouse pad. At least one that works well with it.

 

Razers own cloth mats are decent, the speed one is the best.

 

Oh the IHS is always put back on. So Liquid Metal on the die->IHS and IHS->Heat Sink.

Here's some motivation...look closely. There's a surprised under every IHS lol...





And...because I'm OCD.

 

Amen to that.

 

im ordering one of these with one 1080 gpu (upgrading it later ) any advice about customization budget arouse 3000 usd?

 

For anyone wondering, those black halves are part of the whole of the $30 delidding device called "Rockit 88" by Rockit Cool.

If you are uncomfortable with the "razer blade" delidding method, this is a great option using the "Vise" method - without the awkwardness.

Rockit 88 - Black Body - $30
https://rockitcool.myshopify.com/products/rockit-88

Rockit 88 - White Body - $28
https://rockitcool.myshopify.com/products/rockit-88-white-body

 

Is there a reason why HID says they ship p870dm3s but actually a dm2 when you order a dm3 with single 1080?

The dm2 has horrible noise and cooling problems due to the small combo heat sink.

HID lured me in by claiming they offer single 1080 dm3s.
As a customer you expect the beefy dm3 cooling working on just one card and, while adding to weight, should keep the machine quieter and cooler.

I really feel cheated.
De facto, you get a dm2 and lose the ability to upgrade to sli should you want to.

Is there any reason they can't use a dummy card to make sure the heatsink doesn't bend and put in the heat sink Clevo actually ships?

What is the deal with this?
I get the feeling if you buy clevo you need to watch like a hawk so companies don't do some funny business.

Highly frustrating

 

The DM2/DM3 names seem to be used differently depending on reseller, with some not even mentioning the DM2 for single card versions, to others using it for for 1070 models only. I've been following information on this laptop from day one and single card variants have always come with standard heatsink instead of vapor chamber. There may have been one exception where HID contacted the customer to see if they were okay with receiving a vapor chamber because they were out of the single card heatsink. But otherwise I would never expect single card versions to have the vapor chamber because it was never specifically advertised that certain model numbers came with it, plus it's obviously going to cost more for a vapor chamber so they wouldn't just throw those into the laptop unless it was needed. Still, I could understand wanting the superior vapor chamber even for just a single card, so have you contacted HID to see if there's a way to make it happen?

 

Umm it's a typo sorry, here is the correction: Frequency. And I think its pretty known when I say stock: 4.0ghz for 6700k.

Heatsink fits well, I repasted before delidding aswell, same temps. I also think that's the benefit of IHS, imbalance is no longer critical, heatsink fitting puts some weight on the IHS not die, unless it's excessive.

It's pretty great now, too bad sanding the heatsink is difficult as it is not complete flat.

 

Isn't it possible to SLI with the dm2 and use vaporchamber heatsink later on?

Also I managed to silence mine by modding the second fan, I think it's the fan mount that absorb the vibration effectively making the noise. I simply removed all screws, tilted the fan a bit, and used epoxy under lol.
Can't be done with the first fan due to room, but at least noise only comes in a single tone two fans running at slightly different speeds with different noise is disturbing for me.

Edit2: answered myself :

 

Anyone knows what TP does hidrevolution delid service use?

 

Anytime

 

Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra is listed on their configurator last I looked.