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    *** Official Clevo P870DM2/P870DM3 (Sager NP9873/NP9872) Owner's Lounge! - The Phoenix 2 is here! **

    Discussion in 'Sager/Clevo Reviews & Owners' Lounges' started by Spartan@HIDevolution, Aug 3, 2016.

  1. tanzmeister

    tanzmeister Notebook Evangelist

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    no, as far as i know.

    but 120hz screens will feature G-sync support!
     
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    unnamed.jpg
    looks pretty massive

    it will also be paired with new 12v fans, not sure if that was mentioned before...
     
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    Prema Your Freedom, Your Choice

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    Isn't she a beauty? :D
     
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    IS the CPU heatsink also merged on? Or its just held on top of it ?
     
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    Ashtrix ψυχή υπεροχή

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    That advanced design..looks insane.
    If that's the proposed design then what's this leak from which machine ?
     
  6. bloodhawk

    bloodhawk Derailer of threads.

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    That seems to be for the 1070 SLI. That other massive boner inducing heat sink is for 1080SLI. If it were up to me i would slap it on a single 1080 and overclock that to kingdom come.
     
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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    870dm2, whereas the dm3 has the advanced, gorgeous design above! :)

    Edit: ninja'd by bloodhawk! :)

    But I wonder if, with some mods, the beautiful 775dm2 heatsink can fit in my ZM... @Mr. Fox - thoughts?

    Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk
     
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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    It is held on top with screws, but will likely offload some cpu heat, unless the heat from two 1080 sli is so intense it needs to dump into the cpu fin array as well... Now whether there is a way to make it fit in the original and 870dm2 is another question... Or if it will work with 1070sli...

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    Papusan Jokebook's Sucks! Dont waste your $$$ on Filthy

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    Maybe this new heatsink design will lower the processor cooling. Less headroom for the 6700K. I'm skeptical to this :rolleyes: Fully OC'd load on gpu's and processor. Meh
     
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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    Well, until we see what sort of heat the 1080 sli throws out at stock, we won't know. You may be able to reach a higher stable cpu oc when the gpus are not OC, but be limited when everything is overclocked and have to trade cpu for gpu clocks, or vice versa. Does make it interesting on how that choice can effect who teaches the top...

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    Wait... so Clevo offers 120hz at the moment? I thought that the P870DM only went up to 75hz G-sync? I'd totally be down with a 120hz G-sync screen.
     
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    @Mr. Fox

    Sorry to disappoint you guys, but overvoltage doesn't do crap on pascal. You're better off having the GPU cool rather than trying to push more voltage through it as with Maxwell. Kepler is the last NV architecture to respond to voltage instead of temperatures.

    K|NGP|N managed 2600 MHZ on a GTX1080 Classy (Power limit disabled) cooled with LN2, that is with a measly 1.093v...
     
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    ajc9988 Death by a thousand paper cuts

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    It is on the new releases. Wait a week or two and you'll know more...

    Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk
     
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    it's screwed together, otherwise cpu and gpus are separated but overlap.
     
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    My rig with three kingpins was water cooled. The classy's do fine with proper fan curves and bio's. Water cool is better for anything of course but not always practical.
     
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  16. tanzmeister

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    yes, exactly, 120hz ips 17.3 G-sync screens
     
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    Any speculation or guesses on standalone prices for the 1080 and 1070?
     
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    do you mean the GPUs only?
     
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    I don't care about G-Stink, but 120Hz is awesome. That also eliminates any need for G-Stink IMHO.
     
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    ... I dont... But GSync eliminates stuttering and tearing. Tearing is often quite noticeable on high refresh rate displays where your far more likely to drop frames. Have you used GSync? I absolutely love my GSync display. I literally noticed the difference like 3 seconds into playing an intensive game.
     
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    Oh I don't see it before now. They probably companset worse cooling for processor duo shared heatsink with Gpu with better 12v fans. I will see it works before I say more.
     
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    So I wonder when we'll be able to purchase the GPU's in their own?
    Should be at the same time or release I'm thinking.

    Watching MSI to see about a 180watt form factor.
     
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    TomJGX I HATE BGA!

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    That's what scares me.. I realistically don't think we will have a good supply of them before December but who knows..
     
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    Nowhere near release time.

    Resellers have been telling me a good waiting estimate would be 2-3 months. Unless as I said before, you have a reseller in your pocket ;)
     
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    Check with your reseller san and maybe send em a gift basket ;)
     
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    I work for a portuguese reseller: Www.inphtech.pt and we don't have any news regarding the upcoming Clevos so far :(
     
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    I would assume then that you purchase your barebones through another reseller?
    I think only the ones direct to Clevo have all the info.
     
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    We do gets supplies from another reseller. Not allowed to say names. Sorry
     
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    I don't need to know, thats just what I meant ;) Only the resellers who get direct stock from Clevo perhaps have all the info about upcoming models.
     
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    Ours gives us all the info in first hand. Whenever I know something I'll post it here :)
     
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    the price for 1080 will be more or less equal the price of 980, 1070 can be comapred to 980m, and 1060 to 970m. i know that first hand.
     
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    Do we know yet if they will offer 120hz 17.3 G-ync and 4k? Or am I asking for too much on that one. :(
     
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    Yeah, I have a G-Stink display on my Alienkiller. I've never had any particular issues with screen tearing or stuttering like some people do with any of my laptops before. Or, maybe I am just not that sensitive to it. I also hate v-sync and never use that. I can't tell much difference with G-stink on or off except when benching and it screws up my benchmark scores.
     
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    VSync should be off when using GSync. It's on by default for some stupid reason but completely defeats the purpose of no input lag if you leave it on.

    There's currently one 4k 120hz monitor period and its 5 grand, so not yet I'm afraid.
     
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    There will be more options when it comes to 17 inch model screens in the future, but nothing quite that powerful coming up in the near future in a reasonable price range.
     
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    Yeah, I have noticed that as well. It's very stupid that it is enabled by default. Most versions of GeFarts drivers have it enable by default. I always disable v-sync in NVIDIA Control Panel as part of my normal driver setup routine because I hate v-sync. I also choose all of my own settings for everything, turn off "quality" focused options, disable power management options and set everything for maximum performance.

    But, G-sync does screw up my benchmarks... scores on everything are lower. Since I don't see much visual quality difference with or without enabled I just disable it and then I never have to fuss with it.
     
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    I usually have a 144hz (TN non Gsync) panel as a second screen. My laptop Gsync is 100hz. I still prefer the extra Hz over GSync myself.

    I consider myself pretty sensitive to tearing too but don't notice much difference if the frame rate is close or above triple digits and the panel is high refresh.

    When it's lower it's more noticeable. The part that left me disappointed with gsync is that games with frame rates under 60fps (the 'sweet spot') still suck and feel sluggish . I guess that's simply inherit input lag.

    Of course with any of this..different stokes..
     
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    Exactly what i do. 144Hz all day erry day.
     
  39. Ionising_Radiation

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    Holy crap. This beast hasn't even been released, and we already have nearly 600 posts?

    I like it. We need MOAR POWAA.
     
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    I don't know about you guys but coming from a 980ti (my old desktop) to making do with a 970m (1st world problems I know) I'm chomping at the bit to see this machine fly with some extra HP.


    Let me speculate here. Let's say the MSI 1080 fits the P870D allowing for SLI. How do we go about getting a heatsink for that setup.. :confused:
     
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    That is so much over power XD

    I just hope they bring single 1070 cards to a good quality and price, and maybe 1080 cards in a good price range.

    I'm planning on getting a dedicated big display, and the plus in display quality besides the laptop itself should be worth getting an 1070 vs an 1080 :D
     
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    Yeah it sure is overkill. Price aside that's what people with these systems adore.

    I'd initially like to get a single 1080 indefinitely.
    Having it take up 1 slot rather than 2 will please me to no end down the road. That way I have an option to add in another later if fortune favors me.

    I've never been a advocate of SLIing anything other than the flagship even though I understand it. Price may factor in. A 1070 with 980ti levels of power for around $720 does sound pretty tastey.
     
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    GP102 titan on a dual-width mxm for the P870DM2/3

    come on...
     
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    once the cards/systems are out, check with HIDEEVOLUTION/RjTech/LPCDigital and as a last option Eurocom.
    Heat sinks will be easy to get.
     
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    What heatsink would they sell though? I may have missed something but from my understanding, heatsinks for 1080 won't be p&p with existing 980 heatsinks. I'm assuming Clevo won't have produced any since they're effectively EOLed the P870D.
     
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    do you mean 120hz with 4k two-in-one? No.
     
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    @Mr. Fox, to answer your question (whether I'm getting one or not) - no, I'm not. A few reasons:
    1. It'd be bloody expensive here in Singapore - S$6000 at least (US$4450): I don't have enough money.
    2. It's too big. Remember - I like small (13-15") devices.
    3. I don't think my 860M will give up the ghost just yet. Eh, I have a 13" 1080p screen - I can handle lower resolutions.
     
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    Since fulfilling all the demand of GTX1080 is about 1-2 months out, are we to expect Z270 motherboards with Kepler processors being available in the P870DM3 refresh since they started shipping, or is that going to be a separate refresh?
     
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    Z270 isn't coming this year...
     
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    I think saw somewhere that this beast will have option for a 4K 120hz gsync screen. It will not be IPS but some advance TN which will have similar visual quality as IPS.
    But take this with a grain of salt..
     
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