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color quality wise it may be the same, but how about the viewing angles?

 

It's think it's 1080 / 120hz and 4k /? Hz both gsync.

 

I have no idea, i have not seen the screen, just saw a hint related to this on this forum.

What i understood was 4K /120 hz screen with gsync.

But i could be wrong!! I am not a smart man

 

Is this only for laptops?

MSI Z270 laptop still ready for November?

 

Seriously guys? One day not online and I am greeted with this:

How will I ever catch up...

It is only regarding these Notebooks, not a general advise.

 

That would be awesome if it is. That's some pretty high end kit if that's the case.

@Prema

Doesn't it feel nice to be loved?

 

Two panels:

1080p 120hz G-SYNC

4K 100% AdobeRGB 60hz G-SYNC

 

Nelsons on the board! cant be a good sign!!

 

Still have all my body parts, so all good here.

 

You should be able to get the T Heat Sink for the single 1080, the one like the 200W 980.

 

I'd be happy if I could just upgrade my GTX-980 to a GTX-1080 with just a heatsink swap.

Would this require an vBIOS update? Or are Geforce Drivers alone good enough for swapping Plug-n-Play MXM cards in this laptop?

I have a non-Prema reseller P870DM-G, so I'm worried about upgrade compatibility. Unless PremaMod is going public with these older P870DM-Gs anytime soon?

I know there was a partnership deal, but since these "1st gen" P870DMs are officially discontinued by Clevo now, is that still a partnership exclusive thing? Can you buy a discontinued PremaBios directly from their site?

I'm not in any rush to upgrade my Clevo, as it's still kicking butt with all my games, but I am always looking toward the future.

 

And here I thought my 20-30 alerts was high

 

Callllllleddddd ittttttttttttttt
(I was taking it easy on the prediction though, it'll probably be 100 pages long to be honest).

I never use Vsync either. If for any reason I have to limit a title's FPS, it's done via nVidia Profile Inspector's frame limiter. No performance issues for me (though I have heard it has issues for some others) but RTSS can do a similar (and I've heard better) job otherwise if that's more your speed. That being said, high refresh is KING. I hope that 120Hz screen can go to 144Hz

I know, I want eet =O

With GUTS! AND SPIRIT! And having the power of god!

 

Is there any reason anyone can foresee which would make the DM LCDs not work with the DM2/3? An upgrade seems much less palatable if I can't transplant the 4K LCD that I bought just a few months ago.

 

if you have a G-sync machine, you will not be able to upgrade screen and live without Nvidia driver modification. with mod it is possible though, but you loose G-sync. or you can possibly flash the screen ID in EDID to match the BIOS whitelist for G-sync.

 

Fortunately the 4K AUO is G-Sync certified, so that's not an issue.

 

With v-sync it should only apply if you are rendering more frames than the refresh rate (with the NV control panel setting)

 

even if it's certified, your notebook is not certified to use G-sync with any other screen except this 4k and 1 single fhd ips model(From 2 available on the market),

otherwise your notebook changes System hardware ID and driver will not install, unless you replace GPUs to a non-Gsync ones.
so limitation comes from the BIOS of your notebook, not from the screen certification.

once you change the LCD to other than these 2 that were certified for your laptop - you loose G-sync and need driver mod to even have the driver installed. trust me.

possible workaround is to mimick the Hardware ID in EDID flash, so that your laptop still thinks you have a whitelisted screen installed.

G-sync is restricted by 3 barriers: you must have G-sync cards, G-sync screen(Freesync actually) and the screen must fall under your notebooks "whitelisted" LCD IDs. Nvidia made it hard...

 

Also, if you replace G-SYNC GPUs with non-G GPUs the 1080p 75Hz refresh rate drops to 60Hz. Something with all of the G-sync licensing crapola boosts the refresh rate to 75Hz. No sure what the deal is there.

 

This is actually a "benefit" given to people buying Gsync by SOME vendors. Ask @Plur... her Metabox P770DM-G has Gsync and the same LP173WF4-SPD1 (or SPF1 I keep forgetting) panel you all have, but she's locked to 60Hz. The 75Hz EDID is something that most of the US resellers seem to do, but is not standard/stock from Clevo.

 

Actually, it's not locked to 60Hz. I can run the 1080p G-Sync panel at 100Hz withoug G-Sync video cards. However, the 4K panel goes bezerk if you try to bump the refresh rate past 60Hz regardless of what GPU(s) are installed and I think that must be a functional limitation of the 4K panel.

 

The eDP port on current models is saturated at around 64Hz @ 4K. Reducing the resolution on driver level has to push the same raw data so we can't push them as we do with native FHD screens.

 

Perhaps using the wrong settings. @Plur can try using GTF instead of "Automatic" to bump the refresh rate. Leaving it set to "Automatic" can sometimes cause issues. Always click "Test" and confirm it works first before committing the setting. See image attached.

 

Fast Sync doesnt affect benchmark scores and are just as good as G Sync IMO as your fps above your screen's refresh rate.

 

This thread on fire yo


Someone must've infused a mixtape with watermelon juice and dropped it here

 

Yes and the controller is under a lot more stress.

 

and the bloody taptop isn't even released yet, imagine what happens when it DOES get released

 

Hey @Prema is it possible for you to go into more detail as to what needs to be done to get a 1080 working in a 1st gen P870DM? I'm really hoping it wont be too much of a hassle...

I know it's still early days though, so if you can't go into detail yet, I understand. Thanks for all the info you put up here btw.

 

This weekend will feel like an eternity...

 

You royal tease.

 

Or doing more with a lot more, I like having more power than I'm likely to be using at any point in time. More room for additional performance, and lower overall stress on the system.

 

I'm not locked to 60Hz, however that is what my native refresh rate is. I have used NCP to use 100Hz successfully however native 75Hz would be preferred as I have noticed at least one game refuse to use the custom refresh rate while using Vsync/Gsync. From what I have gathered a new EDID would have to be flashed to make this possible.

The panel I am using is the SPD1

 

Sorry, I didn't actually mean "locked". She can use custom refresh of course. But her "default" refresh rate is NOT 75Hz, and I had mistakenly told her to ask Metabox to check it out because everyone else's was 75Hz, only to find out that as I said, it's a "benefit" given by some Clevo rebranders, not all, and it isn't Clevo's stock refresh rate design. She's at 1080p (I listed the 1080p panel model number too though).

The 4K screen... yeah I think the new eDP revision will take some time.

 

Anyone around thinks that we will get a FHD screen revision that is able to pull 100% sRGB color space gamut?

The actual LG panel is able to pull less than 80%, and is bad at it too, having a 6bit + dithering image instead of native 8bit or 10 bit...

 

apple has a 50 pin edp iirc, single custom dp for 5k60

 

Oh, that is a different screen. Mine is LG Philips LP173WF4-SPF1. I see random complaints about it, but honestly, it seems completely great to me. There is nothing I find bad or objectionable about it. The 1080p screen on the P750ZM is very poor quality, but the only thing that I think could be better about the one on the P870DM is for it to be 120Hz. Otherwise, I have zero complaints.

 

Will you be getting the P870DM3 (1080 sli)?

If you have the same screen as my unit then I can send you the calibrated ICM/ICC profile that'll make colors better.

 

Nope. Unless they release 1080 in the 180W 980 GPU size I am not planning to upgrade this machine and I have no plans for buying a new one. This one should have lasted me at least 3 years at the bare minimum. I may sell it and use the money to build a desktop. I'm not sure yet and I am in no rush to make any decisions. I have zero interest in owning a 1070 SLI setup and really don't care that option will work because that's just not good enough. I've never had any interest in owning anything less than the flagship GPU and second-fiddle GPUs would never make me happy.

 

hm, just a thought that hit me right now: anyone with G model p870dm upgrading to newer cards will loose G-sync feature. that's really weird stuff going around with upgradable laptops, if you ask me!

 

We have our LORD AND Savior for that.

 

Good point... hadn't thought about that. That's pretty rotten for the people that value G-Sync. Gotta love those NVIDIOTS and their money-grubbing licensing ponzi schemes.

Actually, we have the Dark Lord to thank for that nonsense... the Green Goblin's greed knows no limits or boundaries. Personally, I don't care about losing G-Stink. The existence of that "feature" played no part whatsoever in me wanting this machine. I had already decided it was an irrelevant feature for me before I ever bought one.

 

Calibrated ICM is specific to your screen. Every screen is different! Do not just use someone else's!

IF ANYONE DESPERATELY WANTS A SCREEN CALIBRATION, PAY WHEN ORDERING OR PURCHASE AN I1DISPLAY PRO! On sale they get to about $150. You can also get the repackaged, non-oem with Calman or ChromaPure, but is made by X-rite. It also is called the i1d3. There are also freeware great programs that you can use with this device! It will be more accurate. You can use it in all of your TVs and displays, so not a one time use, etc. I got mine for $170 at Christmas because I was impatient and didn't want to wait. Calman creates a separate calibration file for the device that may be more accurate than the OEM calibration, but they charge a premium, especially bundled with software. If you are going to drop a couple grand on laptops, TVs, etc. Grab one of these instead of using files not made for your devices!!!

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True , i even gave it up for a brightness control on the 4k Panel. Maybe used it once on my FHD panel.

 

I have i1display pro, used displayCAL (argyll) but the colors still look better with the i1 profiler software.

 

Have you some suggestions on freeware who is useful for me. I'm not so sensitive for accurate colors. Only try to see if I can see a difference Maybe I can't

 

DisplayCal is free and uses Argyll CMS

 

I use displayCal also. Did you go into NCP and shut off gamma and all videocard effects for the program? Also, are you using their pattern generator or pre-rendered dvd or day for the color correction? I spent full time two weeks+ learning the ins and outs of it. If the card is pushing out its filters, you can get an inaccurate image. The i1profiler already sets the video card processing where it needs to be, but doesn't have the fine grain that displayCal seems to have. Also, have you tried the HCFR?

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Thanks.
And you think I can see a difference in colors?

 

Hard to say. You'll just have to try it and find out. I've never been able to see much benefit to display calibration. Colorblindness is very common among men, and I think it sometimes gets worse with age. I am partially colorbind, but still have excellent vision otherwise.

 

Both displayCAL and HCFR will have a noticeable difference! Also, you can set the warmth of the image as well, better lumens setting to get closer to reference display. I don't like how computer screens use cooler tones, which skew the image to blue, over what it should be...

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