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Phoenix,

Thanks for this information.

For the bios I find good

Adjust the RAM speed
CSM legacy no UEFI
Undervolt - Absolutely necessary
Nice gimmick hibernation from bios off

I am looking forward.

 

Me too!

 

there is, for all those who bought their laptop from a Prema Partner

 

What do you think about this?

A Macbook user has supplied his heatpipes with thermal pads.
If you would take the best there - you could also lower the temperature.
Or not?

https://medium.com/be-expert-101/my-macbook-is-too-hot-89afa1a0079a#.pljssgook

Here is a Link for a good thermal pad.
But there is no way to buy for now. See the w/mk!!!

http://www.x-thermal.com/html/en/Products/Thermal-pad/199.html

If you could use the thermal pad and thus push the temperature again - it should be possible - even more to overclock.?????

I have had the old Clevo P375sm-A on the Heatpipes copper cooler.
But the thermal pad have a great thermal conductivity and, for example, the
Geldid Solution Extreme Thermal Pad have a very good thermal conductivity.
12 w / mk!
I already ordered the Gelid Solution Exreme! Ebay!

 

Yeah I know you have to buy from a partner. The question I have I guess is, is it actually available now if you buy a notebook or is it still in the works?

 

Its in the works still

 

AlphaCool has 14 W/mK options on Newegg. I have some of those and am waiting on an RMA before installing.


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For the hardcore overclockers & low temp seekers... Why not just use copper shims (lapped smooth on both sides to a perfect thickness) in place of thick thermal pads with thermal paste on both sides? The w/mK of copper is >400, way more than you'll ever find in any pad

 

Like this ? -

http://imgur.com/a/XiCNr

 

Latency is always high with raid 0 (even single sata compared to nvme), not sure if it gets snappier on non sequential read (real experience use).

 

as a software developer, i find this annoying in java based apps, ides, and even VMs. Might aswell go with 3k screen.

 

What colorimeter do you guys recommend for calibrating the display?

I unfortunately don't think I can get my monitor calibrated without sending in my laptop and I can no longer afford downtime without a computer since I don't have my desktop anymore.

The 3K display really needs some calibration, it's worlds behind the 4K display I had.

 

Something like the Spyder 4 Express should work. TBH. it will depend on the type of panel (AHVA/IPS/etc)
And try to use DisplayCAL for the calibration. Most of the lower end offerings are pretty much the same, at least Data Color only limits functionality in the app.

 

My screen calibration from HIDEvolution uses X-Rite i1Display Pro. I liked it so much that I bought one off of Amazon to calibrate my 2 external monitors. I believe it was in the $200 price range.

EDIT: This one does offer calibration taking into account ambient light if you so choose.


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Exactly!

 

Ok gentlemen.. I've had about 10 hours with the machine as of now.

Mainly I've just been installing RAM / HDD's / OS's / etc... you know how it goes. Delid perhaps tomorrow night.

I want to just quickly touch on the screen. I'm actually pretty chuffed...it's quite very nice. I've been looking at all my photography photo's and they look friggin stunning. Colors are as great, if not better than the previous 870MD in my opinion and it's brighter too.

I have to lean in stupid and un-naturaly close to notice any pixel type interlacing. It is there, but even then it's only really notiable on flat / solid colors ie. some button's in browsers or certain grey's in OS windows occasionally. Anything like a picture / wallpaper / visual with detail / game / or browsing in gereral is practically impossible to see with a naked eye.. especially at normal viewing distance. I don't see the issue if I have to lean in 4 inches from the screen to notice an imperfection.

I might be an issue for some, but I have not regrets there.

I'm going to have to live with this machine longer to be of more value. I just wanted to touch on that.

The thermal dissipation is fantastic as expected. I was able to snag a vapor chamber for the single 1080 and the thing sits at 60-70 degrees. Cooler than the friggin desktop FFS.
CPU needs some work..lol those stock setting as so goof but I'm not going to split any hairs until Sir @Prema can give it the Midas touch.

Also thanks for Ted@Hidevolution and Donald@HIDevolution for delivering / answering the Qs / letting me be a pain in the a$$ in general

 

Hi I have Sager NP 9783-S I wanted to add another m2.ssd but I don't know how to Properly remove it. I try removing 1 screw on the back that says K/B but I might pierce through the keyboard .

 

For those of you wishing to opine regarding the KB for newer models, please see this thread - http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-broken-in-your-skylake-laptops.797648/unread.

@altleet, glad you mentioned something about this. I would suggest expanding on your post with some of the specific concerns you mentioned in the post in this thread.

@Phoenix, it looks like you may be skeptical, but I'm hoping the more info that is posted in that exact thread, the higher chance it will reach Clevo engineers. I'll leave it to you, but I think posting your KB thread or specifics from that post would go far in reaching the correct ppl at Clevo. Then again, I'm the eternal optimist.

 

And here I thought i was the only pain in thier a$$ good to know youre happy with the screen, i think itll be a non issue for me when it comes. Hopefully ...........

 

Is that yours?

 

Yep.

 

Nice. How much did it improve your temps overall?

 

That mod + CLU resulted in about a 10-12C drop.

 

Too funny We love serving our customers enthusiasts are different than the mainstream buyer...we expect a lot of questions, and can hopefully answer them wisely.

 

I use the Spyder5Pro and once I get my laptop I will share my calibrated color profile for free

 

Have a read my friend

https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Stora...e-RAID-Tested-Why-So-Snappy/Latency-Distribut

 

Dear friend, this is nvme raid not sata, good article though thx..

 

Yes and it still overcomes that

I have 2x 512GB m.2 850 evo drives in raid 0 in one machine and 1x 1TB 961 in the other

 

There is a reason why i said i would want 512gb m.2 + 1tb sata instead of 2x2tb nvme ssd, i think we both know it from the very beginning and reasonably speaking (everyone is aware of >512gb ssds) its : $$$
You said "raid 2 sata", instead of bumping in and saying only "raid 2 nvme" drive, so I guess you were doing cost matching for better performance with no storage sacrifice am i right?
then comes "raid 2 nvme", nvme is really costy, and at the same cost i would have 2x less storage for unbeneficial speeds. anyways 2x 850evo purchased externally (at discount) is also a good idea paired with 1tb ssd sata. Again, i think we all know performance sacrifice with raid sata, thx for the suggestion.

 

I was indeed suggesting a cost saving by getting a pair of nice sized SATA based M.2 drives.

Remember more dies = more IOPS so two fully populated SATA controllers working together and going to do better for responsiveness than a quarter populated NVME drive.

 

Access time of the communication (or bus) interface is more visible in real life tho (more dies =/= more consistent performance across varying loads)

 

But if you have two controllers, the interface may be a little slower per transaction but overall it gets the job done quicker first, you wont feel the per transaction difference but the time to completion for whatever task.

 

Here is a test done to prove it (mind u the middle is hdd thats why its unaffected)
http://www.overclock.net/t/1528688/x79-sata-load-test
And im pretty sure access time is affected, reasonably speaking (when the sata controller performance decreases due to saturation, there must be delay going on, cause its not on the drive side ofc (when u compare them to drive stress each))

 

Though I agree to certain extent, going with 2 sata bottlenecked raid ssds > mid range nvme controller single ssd.

 

Most of your day to day computing will not hit the 1-1.1GB/sec bandwidth limit of 2x SATA.

Note in your example the 1TB 850 Evo with slower NAND with more dies out performing the 256GB pro.

 

I love it when geeks, geek it out. I wish I could show/tell you guys about my drives I've been playing with...damn NDAs.

 

But I was talking about the affected access time not just speeds.
It might not make a difference in sequential copying, but loading multiple programs at the same times, windows boot loading, or even source tree git clone is defiantly affected.
Intel Optane seems to break the barrier in storage latency aswell: https://newsroom.intel.com/news-releases/intel-and-micron-produce-breakthrough-memory-technology/
After all, ~100mb/s ssd read speed with <1ms access time will still outperform 150mb/s hdd read speed with minimum 12ms. So number of dies isnt really important for access time/non sequntial consistent speed and not actual benchmark speed .
Also did you read the thread?

 

Haha lucky you, how relative it is compared to the drives in this discussion? XD

 

The difference here is not so large however, you have gone into a different realm of timings as well, comparing to HDD latencies in any way and how they behave has little to no impact on this scale.

 

Come on man, I was just using it as analogy for importance of access time, e.g many small files in million quantity will never be affected by how fast your ssd, but sometimes by controller calls / time. (latency) Just an lousy example to point a part out

 

Yes but in those situations is where having two controllers service your requests at once is the biggest help as they take the load off each other, also this is where the SATA bus is not a bottleneck either.

It's a bit like SLI but where there are no frame time issues and the scaling is always good. If that were the case having two 1070s in SLI would trump a 1080 all the time.

 

It is closer than you think. Again I love it when geeks, geek out about topics I'm very familiar with and memory is one of them. However, I'll stick to being a fly on the wall for this discussion. Both of you are "correct" in some of things you're debating about.

 

Its a healthy discussion not a rage set argument jk
hop in and enlighten us!
*after all there are many familiar people like you out there as well, more than welcome to join. I would understand that you wouldn't but that's in case if its extremely cringey, or alien factoids flowing around where discussion is hopeless XD

 

afaik sata by its own has latency on its way to pcie. (not talking pcie speed, controller itself like u seen in the benchmark when all drives were on stress test, donno if its crappy controller (x79) or its the nature of the interface)

 

I really think you guys should start a thread about this. This healthy discussion could benefit a lot of novice users. Expense versus real world performance. I am very excited for people (consumers) to see and use the emerging memory technologies.

 

Wow you got your hands on it already?!
Hope we reach ramdisk non-seq speeds someday soon XD

 

I'm excited for Optane too, but not until offerings match the capacities of NAND-based SSDs. I'm willing to bet that prices are going to be on the extremely expensive side for the first few iterations too.

 

Back on topic, lol. Now that more of us are getting and using the 1440p panel, what's the general censuses?

 

See @Mr. Fox post at http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...oenix-2-is-here.794530/page-606#post-10376153

Now that is a 'consensus' post!

 

Hello guys,

I just noticed I seemed to lost my ability to change screen brightness. Is this a problem with Nvidia 375.70 or some other driver problem? I'll try rolling back to the one before when I get home.

I also can't seem to get Creative Soundblaster X-Fi 5's settings to keep after each shutdown/restart. I'm using version .18 and version .50 of CCC.

Thank you.