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I wholeheartedly agree with one member when he stated, that all monitors have issues "up close". It is a very good panel overall and the speed of the panel alone outweighs the con(s). It is going to be the exact panel I'll get when I order my DM3 from you guys as soon as my reseller allows me to return my machine.

 

Unfortunately, I can't check for you since my DM3 is boxed up to be shipped back but that normally would be a video driver problem. Use DDU to clean up the existing driver and reinstall .70.

 

Edit3: Just checked the website, seems there was an error and was corrected lately my bad.

Edit4: Nope! Now its set at P870DM3 (was weirdly for P870dm2 before) again:

September 20th: P870DM3 base model with 1070 8gb ram 1tb hdd very crappy pure TN (not AVHA) 1080p@120hz (its actually overclocked 60hz version, just edid mod) = ~2150$

Late october and present: P870dm3 base model with 1070 8gb ram 1tb hdd 3k 120hz with gsync= 2210$

If that is a discount, then its the most decent one I have ever seen.

Out of curiosity: asked XoticPc for 3k screen upgrade, screen costs 600 dollars with cable.

 

reinstall Nvidia driver

 

I wish I could understand what you are saying here.

The 3K is standard on the EVOC P870DM3.

As for any price difference. Our EVOC brand uses the same Clevo Chassis, but it also provides as a standard feature the Custom Prema BIOS and vBIOS that allows you overclock the CPU and GPU higher and more effectively, run cooler, last longer and have better battery life, and the optional delidded Intel® Core™ i7-6700K with Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra which will make your EVOC P870DM3 run much cooler as well…neither of which are available with most other Clevo laptop builders.

HIDevolution provides careful custom building by hard-core enthusiast technicians, as opposed to quick factory builds, and excellent customer service both before and after you buy.
We also rebuild the thermal solution from what Clevo provides, and as a result our GPU temperatures are 12~14 Celsius lower than those reported from some other Clevo builders and resellers.

You can rest assured that when you buy an EVOC branded Clevo laptop, you will be getting the very best quality, highest performing, coolest running, longest lasting Clevo based laptop in the world.

It is the HIDevolution.com warranty that stands behind the EVOC brand. The factory builds just can’t match the EVOC brand, nor can we match their pricing.

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nVIDIA GeForce Drivers 375.76 Findings & Fixes

- Fixes occasional flicker on high refresh rate monitors & fixes artifacts in GIFs

 

Ok I didn't really ask for comparision or ad, the price difference is really weird from xoticpc, I updated my post have a look

 

it's not an ad bro, it's hard facts.
Go big or go home.

If you want cheap, go with standard builds but if you want the best of the best as he mentioned, better cooling, better CPUs, faster RAM, Prema BIOS, then you have to pay.

All these things take more work and there is a cost involved so they have to charge a little bit more for it.

Nothing is for free, you get what you pay for.

 

you guys do a great job, i think i wore Teds ear out thought

 

Lmao I didn't say otherwise, I would pay the extra 500 dollars difference just for the BIOS, I was just saying, no drama
To add it was COMPLETELY off topic and that wasn't an issue for me, but thats what my response meant.

 

from my experience since now I can confirm every Donald single word, cheers

 

oh no pun was intended bro. Was just explaining the price difference. It really ticks me off when other members (not j00) complain about higher prices, well before they do that, they need to look at what they're getting. Yes it's the same machine, but the user experience is on a whole different level.

 

It is ironic that they ask 600 extra for the screen alone tho, hidevo 480 thats where my point was going in the first place.

 

+1 man

 

@Ted@HIDevolution @Donald@HIDevolution @thattechgirl_viv - got the machine this morning and starting tinkering with it after work today. Looks and works great. I really like the 120Hz FHD screen.

Still breaking it in with some stock GPU benchmarks. Will use those as a baseline comparison for my EVOC Über-Beast review. I'm still testing to see what voltage the new 6700K likes. So far, seems to need less voltage than the other two I had. I have a baby-girl sissy-child 4.3GHz CPU OC on these runs, but GPUs are totally stock.

I gotta say, I just LOVE these fans. They're awesome. I don't care if they're loud. They're not as bad as some made them sound. Doing everything with auto fans (other than benching) is fine... quiet as a church mouse. Temps are in the upper 60's and low 70's on both GPUs with max fans in all of the benchmarks except Heaven, which got up to like 87°C on one GPU.

http://www.3dmark.com/3dmv/5534875



http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/11711390




@Prema @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER

 

Congratulate bro Fox How is the processor cooling on DM3 vs. older DM1? 12v vs. 5v fans should be more powerful aka provide better air flow.

 

I'm glad everything is running like it should! Enjoy your new beast!

 

I'll be joining in on all the fun tomorrow.

I need a laptop to match my desktops lol.

 

@Mr. Fox what about what I heard that there is not enough power when SLI is enabled

 

@Mr. Fox Congrats on your beast bro. Yours came in and mine is going to out. Hopefully I can rejoin the fun soon.

Yes sir, I can confirm the CPU throttles like crazy and without Prema's magic, it will remain gimped unless Clevo releases an update to fix that. If someone goes with a single 1080 and 6700K, they will be fine. 6700K and 1080 SLI equals performance lost.

 

I think I may have found some settings that work without the CPU throttle issue. Will test more to confirm this weekend using higher CPU clocks. I saw a peak draw of 620W frpm my UPS meter in Fire Strike and 3DMark 11 and the CPU clocks held 100%. If it is truly working as it seems to now I will share the ThrottleStop and stock BIOS settings for those who are not PremaMod eligible.

 

I thought I had a non throttling 4.5ghz. They held during doing some testing in Project Cars which is reasonably CPU intensive. As I went to run a 3d mark 11 bench to post up before I left for work I noticed the CPU throttling back to 4.1 :/

Got the delid done today too.

 

There is something goofy with the BIOS (I know, no surprised look on my face) because I am not seeing throttling due to load. Ever so often the clocks will fall and stay low for a minute or so and then jump back up again. It happens randomly, loaded or idle. I think it's something screwed up in the EC like last year's model. Might also have something to do with the stupid fan behavior others are seeing that I am not. The fans seem to work correctly to me.

Side note... may be relevant... I have not installed Hotkey (Clevo Control Center) or XTU, and everything works much better than expected based on the complaints of others that I have been reading. I am using the BIOS and ThrottleStop exclusively. The only downside is living with the blue keys. I wish the lighting was hard-coded to be white by default.

 

Yep something goof is going on. I also didn't install Hotkey and CCC or XTU . I can also confirm the fans are working exactly as they should.. wonderful! They ramp up and ramp down when needed.
I'm a little concerned I may have lucked out (again) in the CPU heatsink department. I say that mainly because max fans don't make much of a difference, but it's hard to know 100% when the CPU isn't consistent and also haven't found good settings.

 

It's probably too warm to be consistent. I bet once you delid and add the CLU it will act totally different in a very good way.

I think the vapor chamber for the GPU(s) is sweet, but I also think wicking GPU heat onto the CPU heat sink was not very smart. It's not smart for the single GPU machines with unified heat sinks, so I don't see how it can be a smart idea here either. While it looks really great on the surface having all of that extra metal goodness going on, I doubt having the connection to the CPU helps the GPU(s) as much as it hinders the CPU. When I am done helping with the @Prema mod testing I am going to explore if there is a way to separate that connection without screwing things up. Maybe something as simple as some thin plastic washers between the joint where the 4 screws are attached might even help. I just have a sneaking hunch the CPU would run a bit cooler if it were not in direct contact with the GPU heat sink.

 

I agree. Actually this is after I already delidded and used CLU . The temps are only ok. What worried me in my 3D Mark 11 bench, when the clocks dropped to 4.1 the temps were at 80 in test 1 and 2. Strange.. the GPU was at 68 . I sure hope the CPU isn't getting lumped with that heat. I especially hope I don't have to roll the Clevo copper lottery again for another CPU heatsink. Probably a little early to worry about that though. Temps are are fine. . just not awesome yet. I'll have to wait a see more. I only had about 1 hour with it after I delidded it.

 

From my experience with the DM3 and one GPU, there shouldn't be any throttling or very little. It was only when SLI is enabled, the throttling of the CPU occurs. That happened to @GTVEVO as well. Of course, somehow this issue doesn't affect Mr. Fox.

 

Yeah just the CPU throttling. I believe Mr. Fox has encountered it too.

 

Secret Premamod prerelease

 

so anyone gonna order the clevo mod fans?

 

Bro Thank you!

I have the copper plate still from the old Modd P375sm-A left.
I did not think about that.
Crap!
Then I can easily try.
Which thermal adhesive do you recommend ???

 

That I had posted here already times and no answer got.

Without CCC and without XTU the fans run well.
The fans are not loud.
So we do not need Hotkey - CCC, XTU actually.

I will not install it.


The software and hardware for the screen calibration is not exactly cheap.
In Windows, there is also a screen calibration (dccw.exe).
This is, of course, not equivalent to Spyder 5 or others.
If you want a professional profile - then you have to buy Spyder or other software and hardware.

 

This with the backlight is of course only to be solved by the CCC.
Blue.
I find it quite o.k.
Perhaps one can extract individual EXE files from the hotkey - so only to change the background colors of the keyboard ???

 

I have a feeling clevo did something to the fans regarding the latest batch. @fox and others with a brand new machine: can you check if the fans are still ADDA and post the partnumber of the fan as well as the maximum rpm.
On the other side my personal preference seems to differ considerably to say that of Mr. Fox: I like it as silent as possible and love 4k
So maybe the fans are indeed still the same and its just a subjective thing. However, after the fan mod my DM3 is at max more silent than the DM1 while providing much more raw power.

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For @Mr. Fox is noisy fans an advantage. And he really hate 4K

 

It was the days before Kaby Lake.

Will there be immediately a BIOS, where we may install Kaby Lake?
As I have understood, the Z170 will probably have the opportunity to support the Kaby Lake processors.
A corresponding BIOS update should the reseller offer?

Then, Prema must be his not yet finished Bios Mod on the basis of the new bios with Kaby Lake support renew.

 

Exactly, Ran firestrike 1.1 combined test probably 30 times with SLI enabled trying different power levels and combos with NVRAM resets and still the throttle stop monitor flags red and power is only around 35 watts everytime.

 

Thats great, I am not seeing anywhere close to that!

 

Hi everyone, I'm still having trouble with the brightness controls. I used DDU and then installed 375.76 however the controls are still grayed out.

I looked in Device Manger and the monitor is in "other devices" instead of "monitor". (There are two monitors because I attached on external one. The four Unknown Devices are all for Qualcomm Atheros QCA61x4 Bluetooth 4.1 even through I installed the Bluetooth driver)


And when I go to update the driver automatically, Windows tells me that it "can't find driver software for the device".

If I try doing it manually, the other monitor drivers that show up in Windows are the ones for the Oculus Rift.


I'm wondering are there drivers for the screen? I've tried running sfc /scannow and DISM and they all said system files were fine. Thank you for the help.

I did manage to get Soundblaster to keep my setting after I changed the audio to direct in CCC.

 

Not to restart the discussion on memory here, but is a decent read about it http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2016/11/how-cheap-ram-changes-computing/

Obviously, a lot of the new technology in memory is being developed for enterprise applications, but it will trickle down Q4 17, early 18 to consumers. Clevo, if you are reading this, I expect forward thinking on your R&D.

 

Well i used Artic Silver Thermal Adhesive. But if you can, then solder the shims on. That will give much better results. Ofcourse if you do that you will need to account for the added thickness and also will need to make sure that the shims are flat.

 

@prism1029

Use DDU and simply let Windows install the display driver. Tell me what happens. I'm trying to avoid having you install the latest version of CCC.

 

Here is my new wallpaper and what I may ask @Prema to use for my boot logo.



BIOS:

Wallpaper:

 

I'm seeing some very interesting inconsistency that does not seem right and is not necessarily related to load. When I see it, might be during a benchmark or even idle on the desktop doing nothing whatsoever. It's like overclocking gets turned off randomly and for no reason. The BIOS defaults, including core and cache ratio defaults are SERIOUSLY messed up. The turbo and non-turbo ratios are not even remotely close to what they should be for stock 6700K. Clevo really botched it up. But, @Prema will be able to correct that. He had to do the same thing on the P870DMG, but it was not screwed up as bad as the P870DM2/3.

I'll reach out to you privately and see if my workaround helps your situation. I'm not ready to share it publicly as a solution because what I am seeing is wildly inconsistent.

 

What are your stock ratios? Mine did not seem that odd.

 

Here is what they are supposed to be: http://ark.intel.com/products/88195/Intel-Core-i7-6700K-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_20-GHz

Clevo's P870DM2/3 BIOS defaults are 32x cache ratio and similar to that for non-turbo and turbo ratio. The system runs almost 1.0GHz below what it is supposed to by default. It will not run at stock 6700K clock defaults unless you override the BIOS defaults. If you set the ratios to zero (automatic) the default is well below 40x and if you set BIOS default with F3 they are ludicrously far off (in the low 30's).

The P870DM-G stock BIOS power limits were about half what they needed to be for stock clock speeds, but the multipliers and cache ratio was correct based on Intel specs.

Thank God for @Prema LOL. As @bloodhawk says, he is our "savior" from Clevo BIOS hell.

What I am seeing is my overclocks hold under load. Then, for no explainable reason, the CPU will drop to 3.8GHz are remain there, load or no load (even idle on desktop) for maybe 10 or 15 minutes, then mysterious shoot back up to whatever overclock I have set.

This is random and not related to CPU or GPU load. I am idling now at 4.7GHz. If I watch it will sit there then drop to 3.8GHz (stock non-turbo is 4.0GHz) and stay there. It will not go into turbo mode under load. It's just stuck... then suddenly it's not stuck any more. It does this with Intel defaults or custom overclock settings.

The benchmarks I posted had zero CPU throttling under load. I tried repeatedly between about 10PM and 3AM today to replicate that with identical settings and clocks hold 100% until about 75% way through Fire Strike Test 2, about half through Test 4 in 3DMark 11 or until 20 seconds of Vantage New Calico, then drops to 3.8GHz and stays there. I escape/cancel from the benchmark and it stays there at least 5 minutes idle on the desktop. Then, also for no reason, the CPU clocks will go back to whatever they are set to.

I have not been able to cure it, but for the sake of troubleshooting I installed XTU and set the Processor ICCMax and System Agent ICCMax to 2047.750A and that improved the problem. It takes longer now for the system to randomly drop to 3.8GHz. When that happens and the system drops to 3.8GHz, overclocking in XTU is all grayed out. Nothing can be adjusted. When the system resumes normal operation again, all of the overclocking options in XTU are accessible again. ThrottleStop does nothing to prevent this from happening. In fact, it seems the BIOS arbitrarily disables overclocking more frequently when using ThrottleStop. So, yeah... Clevo botched their firmware again in a major way. They don't have any idea what they are doing as far as BIOS is concerned. They're as bad or worse at screwing up the BIOS as Alienware has been for the past few years, which is really bad, LOL.

Side note: I observed exactly the same behavior on the Eurocom Sky X92E when they were letting me connect to it with TeamViewer for some remote overclocking, but since I was unable to spend much time with it I could not wrap my head around what it was doing.

@Eurocom Support @Prostar Computer @Ted@HIDevolution @Donald@HIDevolution

 

Odd, the sager BIOS has the correct ratios for all that you mentioned.

 

Let me see what version this one is. Maybe you have an older BIOS/EC that isn't goofed up.

 

My versions are as follows:

BIOS 1.05.01 LS2
EC 1.05.04

Note it does not default to all 0, it defaults to 42,40,40,40.

 

Thanks Mr. Fox, greatly appreciated. I have noticed what looks like clock modulation in throttlestop when monitoring on top of the Current Limit Throttle just like the DM1 had when SLI was enabled. Throttle stop doesn't seem to have any affect for me either. Below is what I get even after trying the test. Notice the "Current Limit Throttle" at 34 watts of package TDP which is exactly the same issue the DM1 had.

@Meaker@Sager you have older version of the EC and Bios, this was also true after our discovery for the DM1 the older versions did not throttle then they corrected it and caused the issue.