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I remember seeing 1.05.03 somewhere. For DM3.

 

I did get one of the first units brought into Sager

As for version numbers, remember ours has some features unlocked from Clevo so the numbering may not be comparable to others.

 

Below are some photos... the third one is showing the goofed up BIOS F3 defaults that are not correct for 6700K.

 

Those are the correct multipliers for the 6700 (non-k) which is interesting.

 

Yes. And, the DM-G had the 6700 (non-K) power limits as defaults, which were wrong, but correct multipliers.

I also notice that if I use BIOS defaults that CPU-Z often hangs or crashes when launching. It launches normally when I use custom settings.

 

That would explain certain things. Is it possible the BIOS is reading/using the wrong microcode ?
Or would a NVRAM/CMOS reset help @Mr. Fox .

 

From what I recall, the default settings for me with my 6700K were correct, both out of the box and after an NVRAM reset. I also had one of the first models produced. I'll check my BIOS/EC versions when I get home.

 

I guess good help is hard to find in Taiwan, just as it is everywhere else. Clevo hasn't released a good stock BIOS for any model that I have owned. All messed up or crippled (or both) firmware filthware. The person(s) that handle their BIOS development obviously do not know how.

I will try forcing the NVRAM to crap on itself and see if that helps.

 

That is interesting.
Mine shows this...

 

So all of us have different Bios or EC firmware yet nothing shows on their website or even the latest version posted

My bios is 1.05.03
EC is 1.05.06

 

Yep, same firmware as me and the only throttle I had was motherboard VR (an option to monitor in XTU) which over a longer periods of gaming sees me go down to 4.1ghz on occasion (not for very long usually).

 

It should not be throttling down to 4.1 over time....

 

That is interesting. Yours is exactly what it should be.

 

This feels like either someone was trying to meet the deadline super fast or just plain goofed up.

 

What is interesting is that. All those machines came from Evoc. So technically they should all be exactly the same. Speculation of course.
And i know the bioses are different in that ours shows 2nd VGA while Evoc does not show this Info text in the bios. And I thought @Trafficante 's came from Evoc as well. Which should have the same as all the others.

Mine and @Meaker@Sager 's are direct from sager. Mine though Gentechpc. And we have the exact same bios.

side note:
Technically they are ALL from Sager......So that brings up...why the different bios files....

 

Make sure system is set to performance mode. When mine was shipped it showed very low multis in BIOS until I set CCC to perf-mode and cleared the CMOS.

The reason you all experience the throttle different is simple. It throttles according to total board load. Since your CPUs/GPUs etc are all on different voltage, under different load and at different temps, the total board load will be different for each user scenario even with same clocks. (Meakers system is also hard-modded so reports a much lower GPU fake-load than it is actually running).
Bottom line is all Clevo stock firmware revisions have this throttle, doesn't matter if P8, P7 or P6. After all it's an intended feature, not a bug. You can run, but you can't hide.
Also no worries we will soon test what these boards are really made of and adjust everything accordingly...

 

I know you will fix it so I am not worried, but the problem I am having is not throttling. It is intermittent and has no bearing to CPU + GPU load. Just a bugged BIOS. It will work normally for a while and then suddenly have no overclocking enabled, with clocks dropping to 3.8GHz and stay there (no turbo boost with CPU load and 200MHz less than stock turbo clock). After a number of minutes it will mysteriously start working correctly again. I do not have CCC installed. I purchased no OS and used my own W10 Enterprise N and W7 Pro. I feel bad for the folks that could not or chose not to buy from a Prema partner shop. They're going to have to live with a dodgy beast.

 

Placed my order with HID today.

6700k
1080 sli
1440p screen
2x1tb pci ssd m.2 (raid 0)
32gb (2x16gb ddr4-3000)
That's the just of it, few other odds and ends

 

awesome specs bro! welcome to the EVOC bandwagon!

Please steal my sig image

 

That's what I keep saying, anyone who buys a Clevo laptop from a non-Prema Partner is like buying a sports car without the stick shift. no control, throttling, crippled BIOS, limitations, etc.

 

shows only 1 GPU? where?

 

ah ok, that's all temporary until the Prema Magic arrives.

It's like taking a BMW M4 while the dealer forgot to take it out of delivery mode so it has crippled performance and the air bag lights are lighting up

 

Now the right car is quoted

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UPDATE

The first time I cleared the CMOS by removing the coin cell battery and it changed nothing. I was about to do it again and remembered Prema saying FN+D+Power works on the P870DM3. And, it did! Awesome! I love that feature. I did it the second time that way and now BIOS defaults are correct for 6700K multipliers, just like the screen photo posted by Brother John.

I hated the idea of installing Hotkey/CCC, but I did it anyway to see if that would help. Now the fans are extremely spastic. They worked correctly before I installed Hotkey, LOL. So, I need to check and see if any of this took care of the weird problem with intermittent overclocking being disabled. It seems Hotkey might have some control in the BIOS that won't be exposed until Prema's magic is in place. Maybe the option to enable overclocking like the P870DM-G Prema BIOS is there and Hotkey flips the switch. That might explain why I was experiencing that weird problem... speculation on my part.

 

Does F + D + Power work on the P870DM to reset the BIOS to defaults like an NVRAM reset as well if I had the Prema BIOS?

 

It works on the newer STOCK EC.
Dont think @Prema has implemented it on our builds.
But if he can, that would be swell.

 

can you please do it for me @Prema

 

+1.

 

Each profile acts differently so make sure you have the one you are after.

 

Nah, for my purposes it's all good - no sympathy required . Not to mention the outstanding deal I got from @HTWingNut on the demo unit. I was definitely interested, but overclocking ins't high on my list (though I like to dabble after listening to all of you and following these threads).

 

Forget overclocking...... see this:

But at the end, if you're happy, that's all that matters

Benefits of Prema BIOS:

• The ability to disable other drives connected to your system without physically removing them from your laptop, this comes in handy when installing Windows as you never want to have more than one drive connected at the time you are installing Windows otherwise the Windows setup will place the boot files on the 2nd drive it sees which hurts performance and makes it a headache when creating system images or restoring since the boot files are not on the main drive.
• The ability to overclock, increase Turbo Power Limits and System IA/Core Current Limits
• The ability to enable Intel Speed Shift Technology (it is disabled in the stock BIOS)
• The ability to run RAM with speeds higher than the standard 2133 MHz. I am not talking about overclocking here, I am talking about actual RAM sticks that are rated to run at 2800 MHz for example like the G.Skill 64GB 2800 MHz kit I have. With the stock BIOS, they will not run above 2400 MHz. In the case of the P870DM3, the stock BIOS now supports up to 2666 MHz. I believe but not more, so the Prema BIOS is a must again
• The ability to enable CSM for those who want to install other OSes like Windows 7
• The ability to undervolt the CPU as the stock voltage is way too high which causes the CPU to overheat much quicker and thus throttle under load.
• The ability to enable or disable CPU AES instructions or Virtualization
• The ability to disable hibernation from the BIOS

Benefits of Prema VBIOS:

• Power throttle disabled
• Over-voltage slider enabled and adjusted (up to a maximum of 1.2v)
• Activated and adjusted thermal slider (to keep it cooler if desired)
• Core overclock slider limit raised
• Power consumption meter activated
• Fixed 3D voltage base-line in order to stabilize OCs and voltage-match both cards in SLI systems (based on average ASIC)
• Thermal protection @ 92c (once*91c are breached the system throttles volts and clocks in order to protect it)
• Protection against Furmark and Kombustor GPU burnout (AVOID those software even with stock vBIOS)!

 

He can still overclock with ok results 6700K isn't like his BGA brother 6700Hq who is Fully locked down!!

 

The member does not want to overclock. I try to show him other benefits

 

Read further down in his reply <but overclocking ins't high on my list (though I like to dabble after listening to all of you and following these threads).>

 

Z270 + 7700K + the new 700W Brick + the new cooling fans

When should I expect them to be available so I can order?

 

Next year bro

I am hoping, early February to late March (just a guess on my part)

 

Not if it causing CPU throttling though. It's an awesome feature, but not worth having if the EC that allows it to work is poop.

 

Im glad I snooped around in here prior to buying to KNOW about the prema added benefit!

 

didn't know it causes throttling or how can that even be related.

 

Welcome aboard Mr. Snoopy

Please fasten your seat belt

 

If newest stock EC which probably have this feature... Is crippled perhaps?

Edit http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...r-skylake-laptops.797648/page-4#post-10375089

 

@Meaker@Sager

Just upgraded to an Intel Dual Band Wireless-AC 8265

 

WoW, I thought 7700K is shipping at the end of this month?

 

Where did j00 read that brah ?

 

Intel has no incentive to release Kaby Lake till Zen is out since AMD is nowhere near them.. I would expect a Kaby Lake release when Zen comes out to steal its thunder!!

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For customers only
http://www.anandtech.com/show/10802/desktop-kaby-lakes-lineup-base-frequencies-chipset-names

 

How are you guys liking the 5ms Auo panel so far compared to the 75hz LG panel?
Is it noticably better regarding ghosting ? Does it also introduce microstutter when the fps is in the 40s or low 50s?
Do games with low fps feel smoother than on the 75hz panel?

If the fps is 70-75 on the LG panel I dont feel a difference, but when it drops to 58-65 stuff in the background become jerky/choppy and they seem to "jump" when i run fast past them. At least this is the case woth RoTTR and Division.
And maybe its just me but compared to my 144 hz GSync monitor it seems that if the 75 hz GSync panel realizes the large and sudden fps change (from 75 to 60) slower and smooths out the game about 0.5 sec slower compared to the Desktop monitor.

So in short, do games that cant hold 75 fps all the time on the Lg panel smoother on the 120hz 5ms panel?

 

@Prema is the ONLY reason I have not abandoned laptops. The day he retires is the day I stop buying them. I never would have even considered replacing my P870DM-G with the DM3 if I had to put up with stock firmware. I already had my desktop build saved in my online shopping cart when he pulled me back from the edge of the cliff.