*** Official Clevo P870DM2/P870DM3 (Sager NP9873/NP9872) Owner's Lounge! - The Phoenix 2 is here! **

It's definitely working... no CPU throttling with GPU load. See images of 3DMark 11 run with stock GPU clocks below for proof.
Note: It is not Sager-branded and FN+D+Power does not clear NVRAM.






@Prema @GTVEVO @ssj92 @TBoneSan @Ted@HIDevolution @Donald@HIDevolution @thattechgirl_viv @Eurocom Support @Prostar Computer

Here is the stock Clevo BIOS/EC combo that works correctly. Thanks to Brother @Johnksss@iBUYPOWER for helping me get this sorted with the correct stock firmware.



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Thnaks for the confirm, I am on the hunt.

Sent from my LG-H918 using Tapatalk

 

Happy to say that im getting my 3K screen today!
Im very picky in general about screens so i hope my initial impressions are favorable and I'll be sharing those with everybody tonight.

 

Didn't @thattechgirl_viv do a nice job on the GPU pads/paste? GPU temps in those screen shots look good. That was no AC cooling, stock GPU clocks and max fans.

@Georgel - there are some more examples of RTSS OSD in action for you, bro.

 

@Mr. Fox

No problem. It only comes with one draw back though...... No hating on Sager for not having it fully unlocked.

 

LOL, I agree. I don't care where it comes from as long as it works right. The folks that don't get to have the @Prema BIOS mods still deserve to have a machine that actually works correctly. Nobody deserves the kind of inexcusable messes I (and others like @GTVEVO) have been dealing with. That's just wrong. It seems obvious to me that Clevo doesn't spend enough time in R&D and pre-launch testing of their stuff. They throw it against the wall to see what sticks, LOL. But, it sure would be nice if Sager would get on the PremaMod Train and stop holding onto their antiquated view of firmware mods. Bottom line is Brother @Prema fixes other people's screw-ups. What's not to love about that?

 

100% agree that any variant should work properly without the need for prema, he isn't responsible for these mistakes either, after all he's doing it out of "prema" which means love

 

Right on... @Prema means the difference between having something good versus something great. It sucks that he has to spend his time fixing the terrible mistakes and incompetence of others before he can start on the performance enhancing tweaks.

 

Which version?

Nevermind - i remember now - CTRL + F ....

 

You can also call it completeness. Although many will just use the bios for overclocking, its still nice to have additional features that you might/or not use in the future. Though Im glad xmg made the stock crappy overclock menu functional in the mean time, i find myself only overclocking when it comes to bios lol.

Can't wait for the vbios, as that seems much more interesting

Edit: nice "got filth" banner can i make something similiar, this should be community banner on clevo sub XD

 

Any sager customers can contact support to get the file

 

Ill compare it to the XMG once i receive it from you.

XMG logo.

 

Glad you like the banner. Feel free to borrow anything you wish from the concept.

Yes, the @Prema BIOS value goes far beyond overclocking. It's all about freedom to configure your system as you want it. Being able to control ACPI, SATA, USB, PCIe, Security, UEFI options, et cetera, is absolutely critical. A machine can overclock without all that extra access, but the freedom to configure everything as you wish for it to be is the price of admission for anything that can be legitimately called an "enthusiast" machine. If you cannot configure everything as you deem best, then it's crippled and its overall value is diminished dramatically. It should be against international laws for OEMs to hide any and all of the configuration options that do not place the machine at great risk of being permanently damaged. It's none of their damned business how the end user wants to configure things, and blocking access is deplorable and despicable.

 

Yeah I keep telling people when they tell me oh I don't want to overclock, it's not only about overclocking......

Benefits of Prema BIOS:

• The ability to disable other drives connected to your system without physically removing them from your laptop, this comes in handy when installing Windows as you never want to have more than one drive connected at the time you are installing Windows otherwise the Windows setup will place the boot files on the 2nd drive it sees which hurts performance and makes it a headache when creating system images or restoring since the boot files are not on the main drive.
• The ability to overclock, increase Turbo Power Limits and System IA/Core Current Limits
• The ability to enable Intel Speed Shift Technology (it is disabled in the stock BIOS)
• The ability to run RAM with speeds higher than the standard 2133 MHz. I am not talking about overclocking here, I am talking about actual RAM sticks that are rated to run at 2800 MHz for example like the G.Skill 64GB 2800 MHz kit I have. With the stock BIOS, they will not run above 2400 MHz. In the case of the P870DM3, the stock BIOS now supports up to 2666 MHz. I believe but not more, so the Prema BIOS is a must again
• The ability to enable CSM for those who want to install other OSes like Windows 7
• The ability to undervolt the CPU as the stock voltage is way too high which causes the CPU to overheat much quicker and thus throttle under load.
• The ability to enable or disable CPU AES instructions or Virtualization
• The ability to disable hibernation from the BIOS

Benefits of Prema VBIOS:

• Power throttle disabled
• Over-voltage slider enabled and adjusted (up to a maximum of 1.2v)
• Activated and adjusted thermal slider (to keep it cooler if desired)
• Core overclock slider limit raised
• Power consumption meter activated
• Fixed 3D voltage base-line in order to stabilize OCs and voltage-match both cards in SLI systems (based on average ASIC)
• Thermal protection @ 92c (once*91c are breached the system throttles volts and clocks in order to protect it)
• Protection against Furmark and Kombustor GPU burnout (AVOID those software even with stock vBIOS)!

 

That seems a little bit overkill, even though i agree, realistically its about what you are using the laptop for, to perform? then yes these extra options are somewhat useless, enthusiastic and tinkerer? that would be a crime to have a crippled bios.



Benefits of Prema BIOS:

• The ability to disable other drives connected to your system without physically removing them from your laptop, this comes in handy when installing Windows as you never want to have more than one drive connected at the time you are installing Windows otherwise the Windows setup will place the boot files on the 2nd drive it sees which hurts performance and makes it a headache when creating system images or restoring since the boot files are not on the main drive. i have never encountred the act of windows installation setting mbr/bootloader on different drive, nor i see how this could happen on windows *especially with uefi!*, actually this is more common with misconfigured / beginner's linux setup. (e.g ubuntu selects first sata drive for mbr regardless) but again misconfig =/= software-end issue. I put this one under "diagnosis category" rather benefit, thats %1.
• The ability to overclock, increase Turbo Power Limits and System IA/Core Current Limits updated stock works great with these, only Core current is configurable however
• The ability to enable Intel Speed Shift Technology (it is disabled in the stock BIOS) only useful for low power ultrabook, i dont see how someone would idle this machine at 800 mhz, neither someone who buys this to solely use it on battery.
• The ability to run RAM with speeds higher than the standard 2133 MHz. I am not talking about overclocking here, I am talking about actual RAM sticks that are rated to run at 2800 MHz for example like the G.Skill 64GB 2800 MHz kit I have. With the stock BIOS, they will not run above 2400 MHz. In the case of the P870DM3, the stock BIOS now supports up to 2666 MHz. I believe but not more, so the Prema BIOS is a must again some people including me on this thread managed to go over 2400 without any issue, more info would be welcome except xmp
• The ability to enable CSM for those who want to install other OSes like Windows 7 had no issue using windows 7 uefi, and linux grub + refind
• The ability to undervolt the CPU as the stock voltage is way too high which causes the CPU to overheat much quicker and thus throttle under load. u can undervolt in stock bios
• The ability to enable or disable CPU AES instructions or Virtualization serves the %1 community, i could be wrong
• The ability to disable hibernation from the BIOS wouldnt call that a benefit, rather than maybe "bells and whistles category"

Benefits of Prema VBIOS:

• Power throttle disabled
• Over-voltage slider enabled and adjusted (up to a maximum of 1.2v)
• Activated and adjusted thermal slider (to keep it cooler if desired)
• Core overclock slider limit raised
• Power consumption meter activated
• Fixed 3D voltage base-line in order to stabilize OCs and voltage-match both cards in SLI systems (based on average ASIC)
• Thermal protection @ 92c (once*91c are breached the system throttles volts and clocks in order to protect it)
• Protection against Furmark and Kombustor GPU burnout (AVOID those software even with stock vBIOS)!

Again, dont get me wrong, not bashing on anything, infact if you have the opportunity to buy your machine from prema partner, then you would be a dork for not doing so. but in the end one should not pay the extra cost shipping, major taxes just for having these extra not to be used option (that is if u cant order from prema partner or the store is marginally expensive). again talking 99% of the community, including overclockers or undervolters XD

 

I had a pleasant surprise yesterday evening .......................... I walked in my house from work to find my beat was deliveried a day early! Let the games begin!!!!!

 

it's a personal choice and I understand if you don't want to pay extra which I hope you wouldn't have had to. To me personally, I would never order a machine without a Prema BIOS after having experienced the flexibility it offers and the ability to tweak everything I want and be in full control; I'd pay anything over the base price to get a machine with a Prema BIOS and would simply consider it as this is the price of the laptop with all the options ticked. I'd consider it a diff. laptop or S version of it if you like not thinking that I am paying extra for shipping or taxes just because of it.

Just my 2 cents worth

 

Yep. I have no problem paying extra for an unlocked bios.

 

Congrats bro! Same thing always happened to me with HIDevolution, they till me they shipped the laptop and I'll get it internationally delivered to Dubai within 72 hours but I actually get it in like 24 hours! Always puts a smile on my face.

 

First things first, lock down windows, with O&O shutup, after that im not sure what programs I ought to install on the beast, that are useful. I know i want to monitor temps etc, not sure if i shoud start a new thread

 

interesting.

My personal choice and realistically speaking (had several clevos with prema) I have never used anything other than overclocking.
Also the difference ~500 dollars (can get u second 1080 sometimes lol) is a bit much for some people, unless ur maxing out without a budget
I always ask myself what do I do in the bios menu other than overclocking (that is if u cant order it abroad, or pay huge taxes) have prema bios is like having the phoenix logo (with led) on my machine, which i would love but unfortunately i dont have the budget.

Also updated my last post, since i added comments.

Edit: just noticed that u said you usually max out your machine, got u wrong sorry

 

Everything j00 n33d is here br4h:

Phoenix Software Updates

 

I format a lot whenever there is a new build of Windows 10 to start from a clean slate, thus, removing the other HDD/SSDs is a big hassle, with the Prema BIOS, I can just disable them so they don't appear while installing Windows, thus, ensuring that Windows doesn't place my boot files on the second HDD making the boot times slower and making the backup process complicated since the boot files are on some other HDD so they won't be included in the image backup of the OS

Not a biggie since you can do it in Windows but I like the option of disabling Hibernation from the BIOS so I never have to even see it in Windows

undervolting is much easier in the BIOS than having to install the virus called XTU which messes up the fan tables although you can do this in Throttle Stop if you wish, but having it in the BIOS is better as the voltages stick 100% of the time. As you may know, the stock voltage for Skylake CPUs is way too high for the stock clocks or even a bit of an overclock, thus generating a lot of unnecessary heat.

I live in Dubai so warranty is a big issue for me, imagine something goes wrong with my laptop i'd have to pay shipping to the USA? With HIDevolution which is a Prema Partner they pay for shipping both ways twice a year for warranty claims. That's a no brainer for me.

Going with a stock Clevo reseller usually means that you get lower speed for RAM and not the latest SSDs like with my Prema Partner HIDevolution which offers factory CPU delidding without voiding your CPU warranty. All this my friend, comes at a small increase in price which I am willing to pay. In fact, their pricing is just like $200 USD above what others charge which is fair. Eurocom for example charges $200 USD just for the Prema BIOS while HIDevolution give it to you for free

Also, did you know that with HIDevolution, as an NBR Forum member, you get a discount??? email [email protected] to see how much as I've never used their discount before personally.

PS: we have the freedom of choice, get what makes j00 happy brah!

 

@Phoenix how did you get your 5ms 1080p panel? epic setup!

 

I agree, though lets be fair and admit that the latest stock bios does allow undervolting, overclock and other function, without xtu and throttlestop
Also Iv never seen this windows issue before especially on uefi. as it wouldnt work, only mbr on different drive would .

I didn't know about HIDevolution offer, that is a must have for the abroad.

Thanks for the info!

 

I had to wait for very long, look at how long my order is bro and the date it was created:

Ordered an EVOC P870DM3 from HIDevolution

HIDevolution will get the laptop with that screen tomorrow hopefully so I should be receiving the laptop sooner than later.

I hope you can join me on the EVOC bandwagon so we can tinker around together with our systems and I can show you some magical tricks over TeamViewer

 

Bro u have an error in your signature, its not FHD rather 3k amiright?
I have the same screen and its FHD 25ms 120hz. its kinda low end compared to my external monitor so i only run it at 60. 25ms is really "smeary"

edit: aida64 tells me B173HAN01.2

 

Please read this bro:
HIDevolution - The Best Company I ever dealt with

Also, did you know that the undervolting in the stock BIOS is messed up?

Let me show you what you and others may not know as I've played around with the stock BIOS on @Shakeeb Anjum 's P775DM3 laptop here in Dubai.

If you undervolt your CPU in the BIOS, that undervolt only applies to the Core and not the Cache, thus, it doesn't really give you the full undervolt you need to actually lower the temps. Only when you undervolt the cache as well do you start seeing those temps drop drastically.

In fact, for my 4.6 GHz overclock, I set my CPU undervolt @ -20mV but with the Cache undervolt @ -80mV

This helps lower temps even more whilst maintaining a super stable 24/7 4.6 GHz overclock

 

Wait, you can't adjust voltages independently of each other. At least not in desktop motherboards...

 

Interesting lowering vcache even frequency had around ~2c difference as it wasnt stressed out mostly in cinebench and aida64 stress.
Good to know, though its working great for me on the new bios maybe

 

maybe hes talking about offset, i had one on my z170 mitx asrock.

 

I initially ordered the 3K screen then changed it to the FHD one as the 3K one has some horizontal line pixelation when you look at it close up

I'll update the exact model in my sig when I get the laptop a even HIDevolution has their doubts about the exact screen model since they didn't get the laptop in stock yet. Hopefully tomorrow they will

 

the fhd has terrible smear here, hope its not an issue for you, coming from 5ms external screen, the difference is significant even at 60 fps. infact i see more details on 60 compared to 120 in rpg games and fps. I think its basically a cheap 60hz display that has been overclocked.

 

smear? what's a smear bro? can you elaborate?

 

the FHD display has 25ms pixel response, i think its grey to grey, and that is significantly bad.
Im planning to move onto the 3k soon, cause i cant stand the huge blur and low backlight.


thats how exactly my external screen 5ms compare to laptop (right) even when moving camera at slow speed in rpg/fps games.

edit: i actually still prefer a proper 1080 120hz display since my gpu and most games arent optimized to run high fps at certain resolution, and being a 17 inch screen, going higher imo is useless, have 4k 24 inch sitting next to me, and i wish i have invested in 30+ display for making use of 4k. (gsync adds latency in fps games )

 

wait a minute, they told me that the FHD 120hz screen is a 5ms screen bro

 

Thats why i have it right now actually, info is not from them, but from an announcement before release, i should have double checked.
(btw very sorry to be me bringing the news hope u can catch up!! good luck! )

 

you lost me there

which screen you have now? what's the model?

 

Ok its B173HAN01.2 according to aida64, and according to @D2 Ultima its the same as B173HAN01.0 but with different EDID for overclock (120hz)
B173HAN01.0 has 25ms pixel response.

Edit: to add, I donno if it is a defect on mine, since someone mentioned it already here, but i have a tiny amount of shadow like dim on the bottom of the screen, entire bottom.
Edit2 found it:

to elaborate its like Vignetting but only at bottom, tho once you play for hours it will disappear visually, kinda grows on to you so its not an issue to me.

 

What FHD 120 Hz screen?
There is a 120 Hz 5ms FHD TN screen, but its for MSI, it is the Chi Mei N173HHE-G32. It has no G-Sync
Clevo had plans for a 120 Hz screen but it was a IPS 25 ms panel and Clevo could not get it G-Sync certified...probably a reason behind this was that 25 ms is too slow for 120 Hz (~8ms is required to take advantage of 120 hz). Maybe they dropped it or maybe they are still working on it.
Currently the best screen to get if you want G-Sync, 120 hz 5ms is the 3K AUO B173QTN01.0 TN panel.

 

Well that's my screen as well. And it's a 5ms bro not 25ms. I'm confused now

@Mr. Fox

Can you comment on this smearing issue that he's saying?

 

Okay, now I am really lost.. you have AUO B173HAN01.2 panel? You sure its 5ms? Is that TN? It does not have G-Sync, does it?

 

no GSYNC as it was going to get certified but never happened and it won't be GSYNC certified but from what I know that it's a 5ms 120hz panel.

I hope Mr. Fox can clear this up as there is no info about the AUO B173HAN01.2 on the web, only the older 1.0 version

 

Im pretty certain that its 25ms, and you need at least 12ms to take advantage of 60hz, 8ms for 120 as what @DRevan said.
Also obviously the current 120hz fhd option is TN and not TN AVHA, terrible viewing angles, but then again not of an issue for me, the blur is just quality destroying.

 

Now see... I ordered mone with the 1440p 120/gsync. I got nervous reading all this and put it on hold. I literally just got off the phone with Donald and he said screen is in stock, my build will start today or tomorrow (did rush buld).. So @Phoenix they told you screen is not in stock? Also if in fact tesla101 has the 1440p screen and having issues? I know the vewry lite lines I can deal with but smearing etc..... I really should wait a few more weeks before spending $5500 on this machine...

 

Haha its funny since I own the screen and its 25ms indicated, even visually noticable. lol good luck.

 

FHD = 1080p, I haven't mentioned 1440p yet..

 

All I can say is my 120Hz 1080p screen looks fantastic to me. I see no anomalies of any kind. I am very pleased with it.

 

if they told me it's not in stock it's probably coz I ordered after you and you took the last one that was available at the time but they are getting me another one tomorrow.

 

but is it 5ms or 25ms? that's the confusion here