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Its still 25ms, its very well known how bad it is for games, not for movies or browsing though.
I guess its up to you from what screen you came from

Enable motion blur in games, if u dont notice difference, then your good to go, i actually like motion blur of the screen itself, tho it kinda gets annoying in competitive matches. Colors are amazing, tn matte type isnt too grainy so far quality wise its perfect.

Edit: ill record a 90fps/60fps video and upload it for discussion sake, tho only watch it on 1-12ms display else you wont see the difference.

 

Easy to decide...is it TN or IPS? If its TN its 5ms, if IPS 25 ms.

 

Honestly, I don't know and don't care. It probably is 25ms. All that matters is that I like it and it looks great to me. If there is an easy way to measure it, let me know and I will check it. It looks really great in games to me. No smearing or blurring that I can see. I've never owned a high end desktop monitor, nor do I ever plan to spend my money on one. So, maybe it is all relative to experience and I am accustomed to ordinary displays.

 

All I hope is that it looks better/smoother/more fluid than my current 17.3" LG LP173WF4-SPF1 IPS FHD Matte Screen (G-SYNC) in my Eurocom Sky X9

 

It's not nearly the same. It's got a 94% NTSC gamut as opposed to the 72% of the 01.0, not only the 120Hz. Also, the lamp life rating and other specs could be different (like contrast ratio etc). We don't really know until specs show up somewhere.

 

I had zero complaints about that screen, but I do like this one a little better. I think you will also. It's a great panel.

I don't know what the ms rating was on the 75Hz panel on the P870DM-G

 

It's TN

 

The missing G-Sync is kinda a deal breaker...even with GSync I can see some minor microstutter with the LG LP173WF4-SPF1, however without G-Sync every game stutters so much that I just cant play them.

 

May I ask where did you get that screen ?

 

that LG 75hz screen is 25ms

If Mr. Fox says it looks good and plays good, then it's probably good

 

check my sig bro, the screen's model number is in the sig. I didn't get it yet, I ordered this laptop that you see in my sig from HIDevolution which should arrive at their HQ tomorrow to start the build

See: Ordered an EVOC P870DM3 from HIDevolution

 

I love GSYNC but I think with a 120hz panel and Dual 1080 GTX in SLI, it should be fine as the framerat wouldn't go below that.

You can always enable Fast Sync in the nVIDIA control panel which doesn't cap the FPS to your screen refresh rate yet still provide a smooth experience:

 

I took out my P870DM3 from the packaging to see if the downgraded BIOs/EC will solve the CPU throttling issue. I contacted Sager directly to get the bios/ec.

This saga is becoming tiresome to say the least. I've been waiting over a week for a RMA # that STILL hasn't been provided so I could return the machine. On the other hand, getting any kind of support inquiries answered takes days unless I call. This entire experience has left a sour taste in my mouth and I wonder if I'm better off shipping it back and not even bothering with another Clevo DTR.

 

What's your next laptop gonna be brah?

 

I dont know, I dont like Fast Sync. On my 144 hz G-Sync monitor Fast Sync kinda looks the same as G-Sync (maybe feel slightly more sluggish), however on the LG LP173WF4-SPF1 screen it looks horrible to me. Not as choppy as G-Sync/Fast Sync turned off, but not as smooth as G-Sync+VSync.

 

Never mind.. I'm running on 1.5 hrs sleep

 

would you like a Dr. Pepper sir?

 

The same exact one, but this time from HIDevolution so I can have Prema's BIOS. Like I said, it is disheartening. When I decided to return the machine, I repackaged it and I have not been using it for over a week. I've been waiting for the RMA #, which was supposed to be processed and provided within 48 business hours...that was on Nov 2nd.

I've been watching this thread and seeing everyone enjoying/tuning their machines. It makes me a bit envious.

 

This is all I can tell you about it.

 

Dude, if you have read this thread: I was hypnotized and robbed!

After the first P870DM was stolen, I thought I'd never get it back, so I ordered the Eurocom Sky X9 but also from HIDevolution before they were a partner.

A few weeks later when the police helped me get the stolen P870DM, I told this to HIDevolution and they offered to buy it back @-75% of its original price! Tell me what company does that?

They then sent me the courier guy from FedEx to my house within the next 24 hours to collect the machine and send it to them, couldn't get more convenient!

You will not be disappointed

 

25ms

It's AHVA, which means it's IPS (the 1080p 120Hz panel).

The 3K screen, the B173QTN01.0, is supposedly TN.

Both the 1080p and 1440p are a straight upgrade. The 1080p has a better colour space and refresh rate, and the 1440p has supposedly 5ms response time. The screen you have is 60Hz (your 75Hz is a BIOS update; the screen is NOT 75Hz by default, even if it is in your machine) and 25ms response time, IPS.

Edit: According to Mr. Fox's post, the 1080p panel is also an 8-bit panel, of which I know of VERY few other laptop panels (most are 6-bit colour). In this respect, it blows your previous panel out of the water. There should be absolutely ZERO benefits your old panel holds over the 1080p 120Hz AHVA one.

 

hmm...if it was possible to buy this screen separately I might give it a chance (considering that the LG LP173WF4-SPF1 eDP cable should be enough for it so it is easier to upgrade)... too bad I cant buy it anywhere unless I sell my current laptop and buy it again but with this screen. Too much hassle considering that if its a 25 ms panel than it should look about the same as my current 60 hz panel during gaming...which I have to be honest, dont really like Its acceptable (but way not perfect) with G-Sync, but without G-Sync I could not even look at it.

 

oh snap, so if it's AHVA / IPS, that means it's definitely 25ms and not 5ms heh?

 

330mb 1:30 min video upload! its a 120hz file, so u can slow down and see the difference.
Uploading.

The difference in video is noticable if you slow down 1/4, bear in mind it looks much worse in real life, so its not exaggeration ( u can even see that 60 hz in the video is not as smooth as 60 hz in real life, again thats due to shutter etc.)

External monitor is 1ms, u can see double image while moving due it being 60hz. and camera at 120hz
Laptop u can see around 10 copies of the image moving and thats due to pixel response, and they seem to be connected with each other, probably making the blur effect.

Second test was a moving picture, i tried moving my arm at the same speed of the picture on both monitors, you can clearly see how smeary it is on the other monitor, might be difficult to see on 1x speed unless you have decent monitor.

edit: to clarify, i might sound picky from all this, but 25 ms is *huge* technically, and it does affect moving picture quality marginally. i wouldnt be compaining if it is 12ms, although i still prefer less but at least it will be harder to notice for the average Joe.

 

dont think it has to do with pixel response (yes pure ips suffer from high g2g compared to pure tn), many IPS (avha method) monitors can be found as low as 3ms.

And afaik fast sync =/= gsync, you can run fast sync on any monitor, again gsync isnt suitable for fps games, or any competitive game. its pretty useless combined with high response time pixel anyways.

edit: oops correction

 

You're welcome

 

I know all about HIDevolution customer service, at least when it comes to Donald. He and I spent over an hour on the phone about a month ago and I was very impressed with his knowledge and most importantly, his salesmanship (I was a salesman for years before I started my own company). I was stupid not to go with them and I'm certainly paying the price now.

 

yeah when I recommended them to you, you were waiting with me for the release to get it from them. I don't know what made you change your mind but all good now. Lesson learned

 

Whats the point of having 120hz when you can't see the difference at 25ms?
having a 144hz 1ms monitor the difference is laughable, not between the two, i mean between 60hz and 120 hz on the laptop.
The only benefit i would see is input lag, more refresh rate, less latency.
120hz 25ms just looks like soap opera effect, or extremely smooth motion blur, real 120hz feels like moving real objects around as in real life, lets just not even talk about lightboost

 

I am not able to see anything objectionable about my current screen, or the prior P870DM-G screen either. I think it looks great. Running 3D graphics benchmarks and playing games I never see anything that doesn't look fantastic to my eyes. I might be able to notice a difference with an expensive desktop monitor, but I won't spend my money on that... maybe a good thing in the grand scheme of things. I am pleased 100% right now with the screen. Not only do I not ever intend to spend the money for a high end desktop display, I don't want to set myself up for disappointment with everything else going forward. As they say, you cannot miss something you never had. And, since I am 100% pleased with it, spending extra would be silly on my part as well. I'd rather spend the money on something that makes it go faster and overclock higher and give me higher benchmark scores.

I agree with your comments about G-Sync. I consider it a big to do about nothing, really... a joke as far as I am concerned. I intentionally avoided G-Sync on this machine. I never saw any benefit to it on the P870DM-G and felt it was a waste of money to buy something that got in my way as an inconvenience far more than it ever helped. I am not overly sensitive to screen tearing, so there is that to consider as well.

 

Well I think you miss the point that the screen runs at 120hz, also you can get away with 150bux 144hz desktop acer monitor that i gurantee you to be 180 degrees better
Colors are fantastic, but I think you haven't yet see how <10ms display looks like, first reaction is that you can lock your eyes on something while moving while the object shape or details are not changed compared to being static (or not moving), not using your brain to predict where its going and how it looks like static lol
refresh rate on the other hand is how juddery your eyeballs can track an object when its moving. Its better to experience both to qualify your impressions.

Plus I only avoid gsync for selected game genre, i think its pretty useful for demanding non optimized games.

Guess some people only learn it the hardway (like me )

 

Yes, you're proving my point. I don't want to know, LOL. That would be a recipe for disaster with some of my OCD tendencies.

I frequently use my machines in my lap, away from a place where I can connect a monitor. It is extremely rare that I connect my high performance notebooks to my average ASUS VS228 monitors. I don't want to know what I am missing and end up having to be sitting at a desk connected to a better monitor to find the experience pleasing. That would suck to me. I'd rather be blissful in my ignorance and enjoy what I have.

 

Gold! Exact same thought at first when I used it, I didn't notice! XD (altho i had a thought like, is this really 120hz)

 

It does not HAVE to be 25ms... desktop 1440p panels do 4ms. But it most likely is. However without any spec sheets and nobody willing to send a blasted review unit to notebookcheck with anything but the 4K screen everybody already knows everything for, we'll never bloody well know, now will we? *is actually extremely angry about this crap*

On the other hand, it's most likely 25ms indeed. Which is still a massive joke for any panel above 30Hz, far less 120Hz, but as far as I can see, it appears to be the ONLY downside to it. We'll see how things shape up if I ever get my hands on one. My current panel is 5ms and I never see ghosting/blurring no matter how much I try to force it, so I could compare easily if I had both in front of me. Who knows, maybe it'll happen. It'll still be an eye test though. Feel free to send me a notebook though I'll be glad to test it for you

There will be a difference. It's just going to have ghosting and "smearing" of fast-paced images. The problem is we don't know what's going on. If it's 5ms 120Hz (like it was advertised at the start) then it's perfect. If it's 25ms like some have guessed, then it's still trash as a 120Hz screen, but better than almost all other laptop panels.

Yeah we can't get lightboost on these things. And I'm currently using a 120Hz panel with no blur, so I do understand where you're coming from. But we'll see. I'm amazed it's actually 8-bit colour though; that has been FAR too long coming for laptops. People don't even realize how garbage the panels we get are...

 

Personally I now hate myself for getting a G-Sync monitor...after getting my eyes used to G-Sync I can not play games anymore on a non G-Sync monitor, they just feel so choppy/stuttery. ...

 

@D2 Ultima - do you know of any kind of test software or utility I can run to measure the response time? I'd be happy to do that as long as I don't have to spend money on something that is used only once for the rest of my life.

 

this insight should be stickied for me
Oh and you should add: better than razer's 35ms screens lol, although I think it has more decent color/angles though the purpose is gaming..
Jeez: http://www.notebookcheck.net/Razer-Blade-Stealth-Subnotebook-Review.160204.0.html

 

I think a 120fps camera (your phone might have one) would do the job, make sure your screen is running at 60 hz though, the closer to 1ms, the more picture will only be duplicated (good sign) while moving, not ghost or 10 trail.
More trails (linked not duplicated trails, kinda like adding water to painted drawing) the higher response time.
In order to see that visually just decrease your 120fps video playback speed to 1/8th.
Im uploading one, upload speed is 1mbps :/
B173HAN01.2 is defiantly 25ms or atleast not close to a regular cheap gaming desktop monitor.

 

First impressions of the 1440 TN screen:

Coming from the 4k i can agree that the black level isnt very good. I lowered the gamma to 90 and it helped alot. I think whatever default ICC profile has a cool rather than warm color profile. ( on my machine anyway)
I find both viewing angles are pretty good. The vertical was always a problem for me with older MSI gaming laptops and the like. I dont find myself adjusting the tilt as i shift in my seat. Im no expert but i would say that looking at the screen from side viewing angles is effective to about 45 degrees from center.

I turned digital vibrance up to 80 in nvidia control panel because at default the colors werent very saturated.

Straight on, the screen looks IPS. As good or better than the TN rog swift. Theres something active and lifelike about a good TN panel.

I looked for the horizontal lines....and saw them. I looked really close! They are hard for me to see. Negligible. And im picky.

Im loving the speed of the screen and how the mouse cursor is fluid. My expectations were really met with this panel.
I would rate it a 9.5 or 10/10. and I own a acer predator x34.
These are, of course, only initial impressions of the screen.

I might add that eurocom really came through for me on this and went way way above and beyond.

Edit: My personal rating is based on this being a TN panel. I knew its expected shortcomings when I ordered it.

 

Whens your Birthday. I'll send you a 144hz 1ms monitor.
Because IMO these cheap 17 inch 5-25ms 120hz panel are **** IMO.
Please don't take this the wrong way, but I rather have the 75hz LG panel running at 100hz over the new 3k panel at 120hz. The 4k panel makes up for the ****ty response too with its amazing colors.

 

Frametime. It sits right next to Framerate in MSI afterburner.

 

Double post

 

I gave you my birthday in the rep comments

So, the frame time is the response rate?

 

Oooo. 7 days after mine.
Well keep an eye out.

 

Obviously not, pixel response is physical/electrical and visual.
I think he meant realtime frame lag.

 

Yes sir, please

 

Well, whatever it means, here is the number when I ran 3DMark 11 test #3. Looks like that number is less than 5... whatever that means and for whatever it might be worth.

 

Does anyone know where I can secure the Bios: 1.05.02, EC: 1.05.04 for Sager? I've already e-mailed Sager but no reply as of yet.

 

Did you get a good refund for your 3k 1440p screen from your reseller?

 

Do I get one? Mine was 3 days ago

Though I got an Everki Titan from another generous forum member already <3. I'm happyyyy~